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A lot of people have been looking at Sterling Shephard or Golden Tate picking up the opportunities that used to go to Beckham. I am not really seeing it that way. I think Golden Tate picks up a s

“What I've learned at #GiantsCamp thread: 1. Evan Engram has been the best offensive player on the field. He was also the best in spring practices. He is also being used on different route depths + al

What we learned about the Giants after Week 2 of OTA practices Excerpt:

Having lost Dissley, I’m very relieved to see Engram practice in any capacity. From what I’d seen from Giants geeks on Twitter he was close to suiting up on Thursday but  was ultimately shut down for the short week. 
 

If he misses more time imma have to pick Goedart back up. 

Also too a 0 at TE in the subscriber contest with Waller on a BYE. I might still make the cut this week since TyHill’s return & Carson & Godwin’s big day,s but Engram can’t come back soon enough. 

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Lol. 

To be fair in a year where TE is a wasteland, a guy like Engram is going to be missed pretty highly

And to be fair; I also mentioned the tweets I’d seen about Engram’s improvement & which seems relevant to the topic.

in the exact way  @Johnny B. Goode’s wasn’t. 

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Optimistic Is a good word: 

(1 hr ago) Engram (knee) said he's "pretty optimistic" that he'll be ready to play Sunday against the Cardinals, Jordan Raanan of ESPN.com reports.

After spraining the MCL in his left knee in an Oct. 6 loss to the Vikings, Engram was unable to make it back for the Giants' loss to the Patriots on Thursday Night Football in Week 6. With additional time to recover, Engram looks to be in a better place physically to begin Week 7 preparations, as he was able to take part in individual drills during a light practice Monday. The Giants will see what he's able to do in their official practice sessions Wednesday through Friday before making a more definitive ruling on his status for the matchup with Arizona.

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25 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Hoping his extended rest got him close to 100%.  The guy can be a force.

:pickle:

Practiced “without limitations” 

(13 mins ago) Engram (knee) was a

full participant in Wednesday's practice, Art Stapleton of The Bergen Record reports.

Engram sat out New York's loss to the Patriots in Week 6 due to a sprained MCL in his left knee, and he now appears back to full health. Barring any setbacks, Engram is on track to suit up Sunday versus a Cardinals defense that's consistently struggled to cover the tight end position. Star running back Saquon Barkley (ankle) also practiced in full Wednesday and is trending towards availability Week 7.

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Evan Engram caught 6-of-8 targets for 48 yards in the Giants' Week 9 loss to the Cowboys.

Engram tied Saquon Barkley for the team lead in targets. He hasn't had a truly big game since Week 3 against the Bucs and has settled in as a mid-range TE1 floor play ahead of a delicious Week 10 draw against the Jets where Engram will possess a high ceiling.

Nov 5, 2019, 12:21 AM ET

 

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Giants coach Pat Shurmur said Evan Engram (foot) is dealing with a sore foot following New York's Week 9 loss to the Cowboys.

It's something to monitor as the week progresses. Engram's only missed one game this season (Week 6 versus New England), but it was also one that Sterling Shepard (concussion) and Saquon Barkley were held out for, too. Rhett Ellison saw seven targets in that contest and would be in line for more work if Engram misses time.

SOURCE: Jordan Raanan on Twitter

Nov 5, 2019, 12:37 PM ET

 

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18 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

Wednesday, my dudes.

But can't say I'm not nervous about this, as both an Engram owner, and for the Giants with Sterling ailing as well.

said it in the Giants thread, it's slowly becoming the season of "shut them down" because their records.  I just don't think they will unless they really have to as Daniel Jones needs help to develop.  If Eli was in there, I could totally see them just shutting down Shepard and Engram.

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Shurmur said Engram has a mid-foot sprain and is in a boot. Said he’s “day-to-day, week-to-week.” Shurmur didn’t rule out a dreaded Lisfranc injury. Shepard is getting further evaluated for his concussions.

 

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Good news / bad news. Out this week. Not season-threatening. 
 

Giants' Evan Engram: Won't play Week 10

by RotoWire Staff
(6 mins ago) Engram (foot) said Wednesday that he won't suit up versus the Jets on Sunday, Ralph Vacchiano of SportsNet New York reports.

Engram also revealed that the results of his MRI ruled out the possibility of a dreaded Lisfranc injury. He called his injury a "low-grade" mid-foot sprain, per Ralph Vacchiano, an injury which "could be a lot worse." The Giants are still waiting for a second opinion from foot specialist Dr. Robert Anderson, but it appears as though the third-year pro has sidestepped a severe injury. Rhett Ellison will draw the start at tight end Week 10, after which the Giants will benefit from a well-timed bye to further evaluate Engram.

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25 minutes ago, tombonneau said:

Live look-in at Waller owners:

:coffee:

 

He was high on my list this year (even convinced @yoman to draft him) but in one league with 4 raiders fans & 2 raiders fans in the other, there were no bargains to be had, nor was he a sleeper. :kicksrock:

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31 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

He was high on my list this year (even convinced @yoman to draft him) but in one league with 4 raiders fans & 2 raiders fans in the other, there were no bargains to be had, nor was he a sleeper. :kicksrock:

Felt I overdrafted him in my June rookie draft in the third, but like you I had a Raider fan to worry about so even though this was pre-Hard Knocks hype, couldn't chance it. 

Not sure what can be done in redraft to make up for Engram. I seem to recall Ellison was not terrible last year replacing him.

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I do NOT need this right now.

In a bizarre chain of circumstances, give byes and injury, none of which you all really need to know or care about, I have to get a guarantee that Matt Ryan is a full go this weekend before I can even address replacing Engram these next two weeks.

Argh.

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9 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Exactly. I’ve got Vance (just claimed) for this week, and Goedart next week. But need Evan after that. 

A little bit better boat to be in, but I only need Engram for Henry's bye in week 12. This has been a very frustrating TE combo in dynasty. Any given week could have the TE1, or not have a guy who is even playing.

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10 hours ago, travdogg said:

A little bit better boat to be in, but I only need Engram for Henry's bye in week 12. This has been a very frustrating TE combo in dynasty. Any given week could have the TE1, or not have a guy who is even playing.

Yep - last game Engram missed coincided with Waller’s BYE, and I got knocked out of the subscriber contest by 7 points. :doh: 

hopefully the 2 weeks of rest will get Engram right for a stretch run though. I am ever the optimist. 

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Evan Engram (foot) is out for Week 10 against the Jets.

Sterling Shepard (foot) will also be a spectator this week. Rhett Ellison didn't leave the field (50-of-50 offensive snaps) the last time Engram sat in Week 6 and figures to function in a near every-down capacity once again in Week 10. He's an acceptable streamer and should be a popular DFS commodity, particularly at his eminently reasonable $5,000 list price on FanDuel. Golden Tate and Saquon Barkley should both benefit from added receiving work in Engram and Shepard's absences.

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Rhett Ellison

, Sterling Shepard

SOURCE: New York Giants on Twitter

Nov 8, 2019, 12:06 PM ET

 

 

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Evan Engram (foot) remained sidelined at Monday's practice.

Even after having the bye week to rest his ailing foot, Engram still isn't ready to practice. With Rhett Ellison (concussion) limited to side work at Monday's session, sixth-round rookie Kaden Smith could be in line for his first career start Sunday against Chicago. Smith has caught a single pass for one yard over 52 offensive snaps in his debut season.

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Kaden Smith

SOURCE: Dan Duggan on Twitter

Nov 18, 2019, 11:02 AM ET

 

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Engram is kinda turning into a nightmare for us owners.

He's a solid TE1 when healthy thanks to target share, but really worried if he's starting the week by sitting out after already resting for the last 2 straight.

Something does not seem right -- hoping it's just veteran rest to tack on and not risk any re-injury and we see him as FP in injury reports going into late week.

I am not sure I am very confident that it's only additional rest as opposed to him continuing to struggle.

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https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/new-york-giants-evan-engram-injury-update/

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The New York Giants were without their dynamic tight end Evan Engram in their Week 10 matchup against the New York Jets. Engram is dealing with a sprained foot that he suffered at the end of the Giants’ Week 9 rivalry-game with the Dallas Cowboys.

Week 10 was Evan Engram’s second time this season being inactive with an injury. He was also ruled out for the Giants’ Week 6 Thursday Night loss to the Patriots in New England. Evan’s current injury has kept him out for one game so far but has the potential to keep him out even longer.

Engram Still Not Practicing

Evan had some time to recover during the Giants’ Week 11 bye week. However, the recovery time might not have been enough. The Giants got back to practice on Monday, but Evan Engram was not a participant. Evan’s foot is still bothering him, and he is not yet ready to resume football activities.

Reason For Optimism

There is still reason for optimism regarding Evan Engram’s game status for this Sunday. Evan Engram did not practice on Monday, but he is out of his walking boot. A positive sign that Evan’s foot is recovering according to schedule.

When asked about his injury on Monday, Evan Engram stated that he was given a “2-4 week recovery time.” It has been two weeks since Engram suffered the injury, so he should be close to returning to action. Evan also mentioned that playing Sunday is “definitely possible.”

Evan Engram is ahead of schedule for his injury’s recovery time. He and head coach Pat Shurmur have not yet ruled out Evan playing on Sunday. The Giants will play the Chicago Bears on Sunday. The Bears have a stout defense, so they will need all the offensive weapons that they could get. But they also need to be careful to keep Engram from further injuring himself in a season that is lost at 2-8.

 

I still don't know what to think here. Good that he's out of a boot and thinks playing is possible, bad that he isn't practicing yet -- we'll see what happens through the week but seems like they might hold him out regardless to give maximum recovery time so could be a GTD. Also bad if they feel, given their record, they want to shelve him for a few more games.

Waivers run tonight, and wondering if upside TEs like Goedert, Fant, or even Hollister and Griffin might actually be better ROS than Engram.

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2 hours ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-giants/new-york-giants-evan-engram-injury-update/

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I still don't know what to think here. Good that he's out of a boot and thinks playing is possible, bad that he isn't practicing yet -- we'll see what happens through the week but seems like they might hold him out regardless to give maximum recovery time so could be a GTD. Also bad if they feel, given their record, they want to shelve him for a few more games.

Waivers run tonight, and wondering if upside TEs like Goedert, Fant, or even Hollister and Griffin might actually be better ROS than Engram.

Is Hollister the guy in SEA or just holding a spot for injured player?

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25 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Is Hollister the guy in SEA or just holding a spot for injured player?

Their main TE, Will Dissly -- who looked incredible -- went to IR with another TE they had for depth, Ed DIckson.

Luke Willson is a TE who can both block and catch, but hasn't flashed the way Hollister has recently or seemed to have the same utilization in the red zone.

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29 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Is Hollister the guy in SEA or just holding a spot for injured player?

He’s the guy I’d imagine. Dissly is out for the season and they traded their only other decent  TE to Pittsburgh before the Dissly injury. I picked up Hollister last week as Engram insurance. Looks like Wilson looks his way pretty often, especially in the red zone. 

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21 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

Their main TE, Will Dissly -- who looked incredible -- went to IR with another TE they had for depth, Ed DIckson.

Luke Willson is a TE who can both block and catch, but hasn't flashed the way Hollister has recently or seemed to have the same utilization in the red zone.

Luke Wilson is the one I was thinking, isn't he coming back this week?

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2 hours ago, GoBirds said:

Luke Wilson is the one I was thinking, isn't he coming back this week?

I am not sure why that matters. Look back at box scores -- since Dissly's been out, Hollister routinely has more receptions (and targets, I believe) even when Willson is in the game.

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2 hours ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

I am not sure why that matters. Look back at box scores -- since Dissly's been out, Hollister routinely has more receptions (and targets, I believe) even when Willson is in the game.

Wilson is their blocking TE. Think Rhett Ellison but not as good.

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23 minutes ago, Biabreakable said:

Wilson is their blocking TE. Think Rhett Ellison but not as good.

Sorry guys this is what I saw regarding Dickson.

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/11677/ed-dickson

With Engram just shedding the boot I can't see starting him this week if he does play, is Hollister a better target than Goedert for our fill in? Any others higher on your radar?

Hopefully Engram comes back strong for playoffs but we all need an insurance policy. 

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4 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Sorry guys this is what I saw regarding Dickson.

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/11677/ed-dickson

With Engram just shedding the boot I can't see starting him this week if he does play, is Hollister a better target than Goedert for our fill in? Any others higher on your radar?

Hopefully Engram comes back strong for playoffs but we all need an insurance policy. 

I guess it's possible Dickson gets looks if Willson can't go, but I can't see the journeyman TE all of the sudden command the role away from Hollister who looks to have chemistry with Wilson. Crazier things have happened.

And maybe it's blind optimism or just wanting to get back to getting points from Engram, but shedding the boot seems a huge positive to me, and everything he said sounds like he is progressing rather than regressing or not healing.

Not sure if he practiced today, doubt the team would let him if he could. Just hoping I don't have to address him being out as I can't afford to drop someone thanks to bye and injury (another thing that may be clouding my perception).

If he practices tomorrow, even in a limited fashion, I have to believe that's nothing but good news. Not expecting him too because, well, it's Wednesday my dudes -- lots of vets get rest midweek.

We'll see.

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21 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Sorry guys this is what I saw regarding Dickson.

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/11677/ed-dickson

With Engram just shedding the boot I can't see starting him this week if he does play, is Hollister a better target than Goedert for our fill in? Any others higher on your radar?

Hopefully Engram comes back strong for playoffs but we all need an insurance policy. 

He might be owned in larger leagues, but Jack Doyle might not be a bad option. Sounds like both Ebron and Alie-Cox could be out, in addition to Hilton, Campbell, and Mack. Doyle could have a bit of the "where else is the ball gonna go?" value this week, as could Pascal. Bad news there, is that you'd have to decide by Thursday night.

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1 hour ago, travdogg said:

He might be owned in larger leagues, but Jack Doyle might not be a bad option. Sounds like both Ebron and Alie-Cox could be out, in addition to Hilton, Campbell, and Mack. Doyle could have a bit of the "where else is the ball gonna go?" value this week, as could Pascal. Bad news there, is that you'd have to decide by Thursday night.

Ugh don't say that I picked up Doyle to cover for Engram last week and he gave me a fat goose.

I want to shed Doyle for a primo cuff (Pollard, Wilkins/Williams, etc.) who I know will be gone if I don't move this week.

Please be better, Engram.

Also sounds like it might be safe to bet the farm on Houston to cover the -3.5 spread this weekend with given the walking mash unit that the Colts seem to be.

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55 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Sorry guys this is what I saw regarding Dickson.

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/11677/ed-dickson

With Engram just shedding the boot I can't see starting him this week if he does play, is Hollister a better target than Goedert for our fill in? Any others higher on your radar?

Hopefully Engram comes back strong for playoffs but we all need an insurance policy. 

Based on my league stats, here are the top 5 D's you want your TE to be playing against:

1) ARI - on a bye this week

2) TB - with Austin Hooper sidelined, his replacement has a great matchup.  The problem is, Matt Ryan basically forgot about TE's last week.  Luke Stocker, the team's TE leader in snaps (43), got zero targets.  Jaeden Graham, who played 34 snaps, got just 2 targets.  I wouldn't want either in my fantasy lineup.

3) OAK - Ryan Griffin has had 3 decent games out of his last 4, and with Herndon shelved, he's worth a long look this week.

4) GB - Ross Dwelley outsnapped Garrett Celek 69 to 23 last week with Kittle out, and made the best of his 5 targets with 2 TD's.  Dwelley was the only TE to receive targets, but his 14 yards on 4 catches doesn't inspire confidence.  Will Kittle be back for week 12?  I dunno, but SF plays the late game on Sunday, so rostering Dwelley means you cross your fingers and hope Kittle gets ruled out sooner vs later.

5) DAL - Ben Watson, hmmm?  7 catches on 9 targets the last 2 weeks, but yardage sucks because he is 100 years old.  Watson has been the clear cut TE1 for the Patriots since week 7, so he is worth a shot.  Could Ben be last week's Dwelley?

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