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TE Evan Engram, JAX (1 Viewer)
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
tangfoot said:
The context with Reed (in his prime while still producing a lot) was always that his problem was concussions--the fear was that his career could end on any hit.
Engram having some non-chronic leg injuries is not nearly in the same ballpark imo
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yes.
People tend to throw injury prone around way too much and unnecessarily. Reed is a terrible comp, and Engram should not be considered injury prone.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I hope he is this offseason, I'll buy just like I bought Keenan Allen after his bad luck and many others.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not thrilled with a plantar issue - hopefully he opts for the corrective surgery as many who’ve tried to rehab it see a recurrence (from what I’ve seen anyway) but either way he should be a hold in Dynasty.
I've received quite a few lower offers than I’m willing to entertain for his upside.
in redraft he’s been brutal.
I've received quite a few lower offers than I’m willing to entertain for his upside.
in redraft he’s been brutal.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s right, sorry, my bad. I knew that, just misspoke.
The only question is if he’s back with the Giants. Rumor recently was that they may not bring him back; which seems insane.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He still has one more year on his rookie contract so I don’t see how they don’t bring him back. I could see not wanting to extend him yet but I think there’s no way they release him while he’s still pretty cheap.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I suspected someone would bring up Eifert next, as he's really the only good recent example of multiple unrelated foot injuries becoming a seemingly chronic problem for a TE that I can think of. It has also sapped his athleticism to the point that even when healthy he isn't the same guy.
I would need to see more issues with Engram to make that comparison.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yeah not extending Kittle would be head scratching as well though. If they want to upgrade their second te that’s a worthwhile goal. Just seems some other team should be willing to pay more in a trade to make Engram their te1 than SF would be willing to pay to make Engram their te2. Like how Cleveland was willing to pay more in free agency for Hooper as their te1. Or how Hurst got moved because he meant more to the Falcons as a te1 than the Ravens as their 2.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Can’t imagine a scenario where Kittle isn’t extended. Tight ends are cheap. Highest paid is like 10 million a year. Randall Cobb makes 9 million a year.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
They'll either pay too much or get a bargain because SF doesn't have 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round draft picks.
They hold the #31 pick in the 1st-round. The next pick they hold is in the 5th round, pick #156.
I don't think NY would dish him for a 5th so pick #31 might be tempting NY to consider trading Engram.
Caveat would be SF offering future picks since they are thin with picks in this draft.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
miqws
Footballguy
I do not think the Giants have picked up Engram's fifth year option yet. If Giants do not plan on picking up the option, then I can see a trade happening. Hard to imagine SF but maybe Kittle's torn labrum that he has played through needs attention. Something to keep an eye on for sure.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
If someone is giving up a first for Engram, Giants take that and run. Think the Giants would have to add a pick going back the other way or like you say future picks rather than #31.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Engram has a chance to regain his studly status, but he won't be doing it on my team. Let someone else deal with the headache his injury-prone body and inability to play through the dings.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
I have him in one recent dynasty startup. He was dropping (for good reason probably) so I snagged him and a few rounds later backed him up with the upside of Hurst. I'd I do draft Engram anywhere, drafting what should be a solid TE2 is the plan.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Huh. There are some truck sized holes in the data being presented as reasoning here. The most egregious of these being poor Levine Toilolo aging 5 years per reception in 2019.Faust said:
The use of 2 TE personnel presented is not very high at all, but using Cowboy Data with a clearly over the hill Jason Witten as the main element of it doesent seem very useful. That shows reasons to be pessimistic about the opportunity rather than the positive it is being presented as.
I would say scrap all of that and start over.
If you could promise me 16 games from Engram, I think he'd be right there with Zach Ertz for TE4. However, he's arguably the biggest injury risk at the position, so I think somewhere around TE10 is more appropriate. He's missed games every year dating back to his freshman year of college.
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32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I hear ya. If he could just play 14 Engram could finish as top 6. No question about talent.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Slightly off topic, but I think Jordan Reed could actually be a pretty big part of the 49ers offense this year, at least until Deebo is back. He's a better weapon than almost any of their WR's.Biabreakable said:
But yes, I meant of guys who will be drafted in fantasy leagues. I'll be letting somebody else draft Engram this year. I find in mocks I'm either going Andrews early, or Hurst late.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Reed is a fantastic player.
I was just sticking up for Engram a bit. Hes not that injury prone.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m having such dejavu to last year when the Giants were saying the exact same thing. The exact. Same. Thing. literally.
I only invested $26/500 in dynasty but have yet to get even that modest value from Engram.
maybe this will be the year.
I only invested $26/500 in dynasty but have yet to get even that modest value from Engram.
maybe this will be the year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I guess these updates explain why I have other owners fishing around for Engram in dynasty the last few days. True to my form, I shall wait for his value to grow before entertaining such offers, which all but guarantees he'll get hurt leaving me stuck with him for another season. Sigh.
But I remain optimistic for that 90/1000/10 break-out season.
Milkman
Footballguy
He's always had #1 TE in FF upside. Just has to stay healthy.I guess these updates explain why I have other owners fishing around for Engram in dynasty the last few days. True to my form, I shall wait for his value to grow before entertaining such offers, which all but guarantees he'll get hurt leaving me stuck with him for another season. Sigh.
But I remain optimistic for that 90/1000/10 break-out season.
On a side note would you trade him for Goedert straight up or not enough?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not so long as Ertz is vertical, no. And I love Gogurt - had him last year. But not straight up. I'd need a 2nd or something along with him. And then, maybe. EE's upside is just too high if he can stay on the field.
Milkman
Footballguy
4 years! No chance they extend him right? I own Engram and Goedert in separate leagues. I do think right now it would take Goedert+ to get Engram. But not a lot. I would def take Goedert plus a 2. I think once Goedert gets that divorce from Ertz he immediately jumps into Engram’s range.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agreed. Like I said - I'd consider Gogurt/2.x for EE. Depends on where I think the 2nd is likely to be picking though Would have to be an early 2nd.
There was talk not too long back of extending Ertz - I haven't seen any update to that. it was a month or so back.
