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What we learned about the Giants after Week 2 of OTA practices Excerpt:

PFF ranks the top-10 tight ends ahead of the 2019 NFL season

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6. EVAN ENGRAM, NEW YORK GIANTS

2018 OVERALL GRADE RANK: 4

Engram caught only 35-of-54 targets (68.0%) for 338 yards and averaged just  0.84 yards per route run through . the first nine weeks of the 2018 season. The second half of the season was a different story, though, and it’s that performance that should give Giants fans hope for the future. From Weeks 10 to 17, Engram caught 28 of his 38 targets (73.7%) for 432 yards, averaging of 3.04 yards per route run in the process – the second-best rate among tight ends in that span. His second-half performance has a lot to do with his work after the catch, as he averaged a colossal 10.0 yards after the catch per reception in the season’s last eight weeks, compared to only 6.5 yards after the catch per reception over the first nine.

 

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3 hours ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

What do you think happens if Eli gets benched and they go to Daniel Jones? Will that be helpful as we all like to say rookie QBs lean on TEs?

Volume/opportunity is king. Engram should thrive no matter the QB. But his ceiling would be lower with Jones under center. 

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8 minutes ago, dipandglide said:

Volume/opportunity is king. Engram should thrive no matter the QB. But his ceiling would be lower with Jones under center. 

I’m not sure I agree with that. A capable TE is a young QB’s best friend. Short dump offs to Barkley & Engram should be a major component of that offense. 

IMO Engram has even more value if/when they shift to Jones. 

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10 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I’m not sure I agree with that. A capable TE is a young QB’s best friend. Short dump offs to Barkley & Engram should be a major component of that offense. 

IMO Engram has even more value if/when they shift to Jones. 

Except EE isn't really a TE. He's more WR than TE, IMO.

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2 hours ago, dipandglide said:

Except EE isn't really a TE. He's more WR than TE, IMO.

That was the narrative when he was coming out.

Reality check?

Engram was one of the few tight ends to not blow a single block (126 blocking snaps, 1 pressure allowed in pass protection) in 2018.

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Interesting comparison Ertz v Engram

How much faith to put in PFF’s grading system is a matter of conjecture. But there’s a bunch of other advanced stats in there which are interesting - he’s better than or on par with Ertz is almost every comparison. Of course Ertz’s 156 targets (led all TEs) dwarfs EE’s 64 in 11 games. Pro-rated, would have ended with about 93, which would have been 6th last year.

FWIW, his run blocking grade was only 60.6, better than Ertz but pretty dreadful. Both graded like a 35 in 2017. Top 5 TE run blockers last year graded in the mid-70s (Burton, Doyle, Kittle, Goedert & some scrub from Jax), Gronk a few years ago was like 85.4.

If he stays healthy, seems like his Tier 2 ECR (with Howard, Henry & maybe Cook) is about right. I like Howard or Henry at the 5/6 turn but if someone else has reached before it gets to me, totally cool with EE.

Probably back him up with a 12th-14th rounder with upside like Hock or Reed.

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ESPN's Jordan Raanan reports the Giants are planning on Evan Engram "playing a massive role" this season.

Per Raanan, the Giants' passing game is "expected to revolve around" Engram and Saquon Barkley, especially while Eli Manning is under center. Engram barely played this preseason, catching his lone summer target for a nine-yard gain, but Raanan admits the team kept Engram in "bubble wrap" in preparation for his huge year ahead. If he's able to stay healthy, Engram will have a serious shot to be this year's George Kittle as a major breakout candidate who should threaten 90 catches and 1,000-plus yards.

SOURCE: ESPN.com

Sep 4, 2019, 9:32 AM ET

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the opportunity to buy Engram right now for reasonable price is slipping ... in 4 weeks he'll be the #1 TE int he NFL or very close to the top IMO and the cost for him will double

when D.Jones takes over, he will be Kelce/Kittle elite

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On 8/5/2019 at 9:36 AM, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

What do you think happens if Eli gets benched and they go to Daniel Jones? Will that be helpful as we all like to say rookie QBs lean on TEs?

Could be a wash. They’re already planning on targeting the heck out of EE, so while rookies do tend to lean on TEs, I can’t see them leaning any more than they’re already gonna lean. It’s just a question of Jones’ competence. 

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9 minutes ago, Smack Tripper said:

One problem guys, this dude can't catch.  Giant homer here.

Hmm..a giants homer with skewed perspective maybe?  

Stats say he had fewer drops and a higher catch percentage than both OBJ and Shepherd last year. I’d say someone with a 70% catch rate is doing ok. 

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/new-york-giants-team-stats?season=2018&week=0&category=RECEIVING

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3 hours ago, dnurk said:

Hmm..a giants homer with skewed perspective maybe?  

Stats say he had fewer drops and a higher catch percentage than both OBJ and Shepherd last year. I’d say someone with a 70% catch rate is doing ok. 

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/new-york-giants-team-stats?season=2018&week=0&category=RECEIVING

🤣Odell and shep have stone hands too, Odell was so much better making a circus catch but he often messed up the easy ones.  I don’t know, you may be right I’ve watched too hard and been too critical but he’s basically a wr with a te designation.  Giants have been a highly unsettled situation and he’s still young.  The guy has size and tools, and Eli, if he’s done nothing in his life, has MADE tight ends.  Usually on a deep seam and EE just hasn’t been able to pull this off thus far.  I wish they would just play him outside and be done with it.  He definitely improved last year but some of my concern is will the trust erode if he doesn’t do a better job hanging onto these balls.  

In his own way, he’s almost as an attractive a talent as Odell.  Little slower but more size and presence.  Maybe I am biased because they played side by side but he reminds me a lot of Brandon Marshall.  And you’re getting him as a te

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Evan Engram caught 11-of-14 targets for 116 yards and a touchdown in the Giants' Week 1 loss to the Cowboys.

Engram predictably emerged as Eli Manning's featured receiver, as he's done throughout his career without Odell Beckham Jr. in the equation. Engram's touchdown came on an easy pitch-and-catch off of play-action near the goal line, and he regularly proved capable of coming down with tough catches in tight coverage. As athletic as any tight end in the league, fire Engram up as a high-end TE1 for his Week 2 matchup against the Bills.

Sep 8, 2019, 8:00 PM ET

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to be honest I was very low on him until very late in draft season... was listening to Daniel Jeremiah's podcast and he loved Engram. He also loved Moncrief but still, lol. I don't have much of him in best ball but do have him as my TE in my main season long.

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8 hours ago, dipandglide said:

I can’t believe people were arguing for Howard or Henry over Engram. He is going to win championships for teams if he stays healthy.

Hopefully the rookie doesn’t kill his value when we need him most. 

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Context Matters @dwainmcfarland

#Giants Week 1 Utilization Report

Evan Engram was the focal point of the Giants passing attack despite two solid LBs for the Cowboys. When schemed into the game plan like this he is an elite mismatch weapon.

Eli Manning was functional w/ 68% comp rate but gave way late to Jones

https://twitter.com/dwainmcfarland/status/1171457695779414017?s=21

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On 9/4/2019 at 9:51 AM, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Could be a wash. They’re already planning on targeting the heck out of EE, so while rookies do tend to lean on TEs, I can’t see them leaning any more than they’re already gonna lean. It’s just a question of Jones’ competence. 

I did a study on if rookie QB actually favor their TE more than QB who are more seasoned.

I couldn't find any statistical evidence to validate or disprove this narrative.

It does make sense to a degree that a lot of the throws to the TE are shorter, higher percentage plays for the QB to make. So something to get a young QB comfortable. I am not sure there is much more to it than that though.

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Evan Engram caught 6-of-8 targets for 113 yards and one touchdown in New York's Week 3 victory over the Bucs.

Daniel Jones' first pass of the day landed in Engram's hands for an 18-yard gain, which was a clear sign of things to come. The two returned from the locker room after the half and immediately combined for a 75-yard touchdown catch to move the Giants within two scores. Although Saquon Barkley's (ankle) pending absence would normally sink New York's offense, Engram's (and Sterling Shepard's) outlook is actually enhanced with Jones under center the rest of the way. He'll be a top-four option at his position against Washington next week.

Sep 22, 2019, 8:10 PM ET

 

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25 minutes ago, rockaction said:

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Got Tyreek coming back soon and trying to put a couple stars with him, while filling up the backend of my roster with some waiver guys.  We'll see how the strategy works in a few weeks. 

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Evan Engram scratching surface of how good he can be

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Evan Engram lined up in a three-point stance to the right of the formation and awaited the snap. First play of the third quarter, Giants down 28-10 against the Buccaneers on Sunday, and Engram was about to run a simple crossing pattern over the middle of the field off a play-action pass.

As Daniel Jones, making his first start as the Giants’ quarterback, took the snap at his  25-yard line, Engram raced upfield and quickly found an opening in the Bucs’ zone defense at the 37. Jones delivered the ball in stride, and Engram made the catch, outran one defender, and suddenly found himself open as he ran toward the left sideline. With one man to beat, Engram made it around the defender and raced into the end zone for the touchdown.

It was the latest example of Engram’s extraordinary talent, and yet another reason the Giants drafted him in the first round in 2017. Engram is making that pick pay off in a very big way this season.

Engram already has 23 catches for 277 yards and two touchdowns, on pace to far surpass his previous highs of 64 receptions for 722 yards and six touchdowns as a rookie. He’s also becoming a favorite target for coach and offensive play-caller Pat Shurmur.

He’s off to a monster start, but Engram insists there is so much further to go.

“I come in here each and every day, try to be the best tight end I can be, and prepare for those plays and prepare for those moments,” he told Newsday in the Giants’ locker room. “Just trying to be consistent and keep doing the best for our team.”

The talent has always been there, but a combination of injuries and instability on the offense in general the past two years have somewhat limited Engram’s effectiveness. He missed five games last year because of knee and hamstring injuries and was sidelined during the 2019 offseason with a hamstring problem that limited him to just one preseason game (nine snaps against the Bengals).

But Engram has been the Giants' most explosive skill position player so far.

It’s still not enough.

“I mean, I’m going to keep working for more,” said Engram, who is second among NFL tight ends in catches and receiving yards. “Never get complacent. Just continue to stay hungry and keep working.”

Engram’s catch-and-run touchdown on Sunday ignited a furious second-half rally, as the Giants beat the Bucs, 32-31, and began the Jones Era in spectacular fashion. Engram ended up with six catches for a team-high 113 yards and the touchdown.

“It’s one win, and we still have a lot of opportunities left, a lot of games left to go out and repeat that,” he said. “I don’t want to sit here and say a lot, where it feels so good and we’re satisfied. No, we’re going to continue to keep that hungry mindset, we’re going to continue to fight like our life is on the line. It’s definitely good to win, but we have another task this week that we’ve got to get done.”

The Giants host the Redskins in Jones’ first game at home as a starter, and Engram almost certainly will be a big part of their plans. He’ll face former Giants safety Landon Collins, who signed an $84 million contract after being spurned by the Giants. Engram says he owes Collins a debt of gratitude in his development.

“It definitely made me a better player versus man coverage and things like that, so it’s going to be exciting playing against him,” Engram said.

Giants offensive coordinator Mike Shula is delighted at Engram’s progress.

“Speed is very valuable, and Evan’s got it,” Shula said Thursday. “You can see his confidence grow, just with time on the field and time in our system. He’s versatile, he’s getting better in the run-game blocking, and I think as we move forward hopefully it will continue.”

Fellow tight end Rhett Ellison said Engram has “just gotten better every single year, and he works for it. It’s not like it just happened overnight. He’s one of the hardest workers I’ve been around. It’s awesome to see his work get a little recognition.”

Engram insists there is much more to be done. And not simply as an individual.

“That feeling [of winning] is addicting,” he said. “It adds motivation, so I think it makes us hungrier.”

None hungrier than the third-year tight end, who is already proving invaluable to an offense that will be central to whether Sunday’s win was a sign of bigger things to come.

 

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