Agreed BC he seems to have crisis of confidence very easily. Not good.I still think he's gonna be boom or bust - it will depend on game situation and matchups. But I do think he's a guy where it's vital for him to catch that first target no matter when it occurs.
-QG
Top 10 pick at WR playing in essentially his third game? Knee jerk much?Droppable yet?
In the right circumstances, yes. AJ Green injury could really make things worse or better who knows. I’d hold to see how it shakes out.Droppable yet?
Probably worse, I think he's droppable.In the right circumstances, yes. AJ Green injury could really make things worse or better who knows. I’d hold to see how it shakes out.
I had high hopes for this guy, but he really seems to not get it. He's an actual liability on the field as this point, not an asset. It also doesn't help that Dalton is the QB. He's terrible.Probably worse, I think he's droppable.
IMO if Ross can't produce given his current situation I don't think he'll produce any time soon.
His snaps have decreased for three straight weeks, I was surprised to see him play on a season low 48% of the snaps despite the Green injury. He did see a season high 15% of Dalton's attempts but he once again struggled (3/16/0 on 7 targets).
Assuming Green's injury isn't serious, he looks like he's 5th in the pecking order.
John Ross played 31-of-65 snaps (48 percent) Week 3 against the Panthers.
He did end up with seven targets, but he played two fewer snaps than A.J. Green, who exited early with an injury, and just two more than Josh Malone. Through three games, Ross has five catches for 27 yards. It is tough to justify spending a redraft bench spot on him at this point.
Sep 24 - 12:06 PM
Picked up Boyd when an IR spot opened up on my team. When it's time to drop someone it's gonna be Ross. (This is redraft btw).Top 10 pick at WR playing in essentially his third game? Knee jerk much?
Yeah, I'm a dynasty owner. Took a flyer on his due to draft position and who he was playing across from. I've been sitting on him more than a year. In a redraft, I'm not so sure he is someone that can be kept on a roster unless the benches are deep.Picked up Boyd when an IR spot opened up on my team. When it's time to drop someone it's gonna be Ross. (This is redraft btw).
They will give Ross time to figure it out - the thing is this might be a whole painful season of that. If he's in the wrong place on a pattern or if he is dropping a ball in a crucial spot that is going to affect his opportunity. The good times feel like they are a ways away with J Ross. I'm saying this as a Bengals fan.
What the game plan is if Green is out will be telling - though you have a healthy Eifert now and the other two tight ends could steal looks. They like to throw out of the backfield to Gio. And if they actually give Auden Tate an opportunity look out because that kid caught everything in preseason.
Not saying to throw in the towel quite yet in dynasty or anything but the situation is concerning - at least in the near term.
-QG
That's if you decide not to count the weeks he was a healthy scratch his rookie season.Top 10 pick at WR playing in essentially his third game? Knee jerk much?
ESPN's Katherine Terrell doesn't expect John Ross (questionable, groin) to play this week.
Ross returned to limited practice after being a mid-week downgrade in Week 5. The Bengals will take him to game-time but he may be held out another game. Alex Erickson will play in three-wide sets if Ross is ruled out.
Source: Katherine Terrell on Twitter
Oct 13 - 6:21 PM
NFL.com's Mike Garofolo reports John Ross (groin) will be sidelined "a few weeks."
Ross aggravated an existing groin ailment in Week 7. The No. 9 overall pick of the 2017 draft simply cannot stay healthy. Ross has seven career catches.
Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
Oct 23 - 2:04 PM
If the owner in my league dropped him, I would not add him.Is he droppable in dynasty at this point? I’m thinking yes. Green stil has a few years in him. Boyd is now firmly ahead of him. We are talking about the wr3 on the bengals here.
When he’s on the field, many times he looks lost. He looks like he lacks passion. He gives up on routes. Almost like he really doesn’t want to be out there.
And that’s when he’s not injured which has been most of his career thus far. I’m close to giving up on him.
Bengals director of player personnel Duke Tobin labeled the John Ross trade rumors as "fake news."
Multiple media members reported Tuesday that the Bengals were shopping the former No. 9 overall pick. A split would seem to make sense for both sides, but perhaps Ross will get a fresh start under new coach Zac Taylor. Also, the Bengals would be selling Ross at an extreme low point. They'd be better off seeing what Ross can do in the new scheme, as long as he can stay healthy, which has been one of Ross' biggest issues dating back to his college days.
SOURCE: Paul Dehner on Twitter
Feb 27, 2019, 9:08 AM
It’s possible Ross’ agent leaked the story hoping a team might make an offer. Ross might want out of Cinci given how poor things have gone.Makes sense. I'm sure they were in fact hoping somebody would overpay for him... But since he has done less than nothing they aren't getting anything for him, they might as well see if he cam be a 3rd year breakout guy.
What's "cheap"?Ilov80s said:Also I’m buying in dynasty on the cheap. With his speed and draft pedigree, if he somehow figure it out, he has a high weekly ceiling in the modern NFL.
3rd round dynasty pick, D'onta Foreman, Funchess, etc. Something in that rangeWhat's "cheap"?
New Bengals coach Zac Taylor said he wants to give John Ross a "fresh start."
"Some of these players with what they've done in the past, it's good for a fresh start with a new coaching staff," was Taylor's exact quote. "Let's see what he can put on tape. He was electric in college." "In college" remains Ross' qualifier, as he has done so little through two NFL seasons. Injuries have been the primary culprit, though Ross struggled to make an impact even in a healthier 2018. Ross probably won't be playing for his roster spot this summer, but he is one of the Bengals most on the spot under the new coaching staff.
SOURCE: Geoff Hobson on Twitter
Apr 16, 2019, 5:51 PM
Randy Moss like.........Just look at that 40 time. The way Ross can stress a defense vertically has the potential to be Randy Moss like.
LOL. John Ross was a definite miss for me. I stand by that he had the potential to put extreme vertical stress on a defense.Randy Moss like.........
DHB - 7thLOL. John Ross was a definite miss for me. I stand by that he had the potential to put extreme vertical stress on a defense.
Also in my defense, Ross went 9th overall and I doubt many were expecting that. They saw what I saw, it just hasn’t worked out. I also never said he would put up Moss numbers, just create space by stretching the field.
The ability to create and use that speed wisely has no value in the draft. It sometimes gets talked about but there's no evidence of it on draft day. There are many times that I think this is all that matters. We've seen holy cow fast RBs run right into a pile of defenders. WRs struggle to get open and sometimes "get killed" by a big hit we all saw coming.DHB - 7th
Ginn - 9th
Troy Williamson - 7th
Even Matt Jones (wasn't nearly as fast but insane size/speed combo) was a late first despite needing to switch from QB
Speed will get drafted super high if the wr did anything in college.
Prediction - Campbell, Isabella and Metcalf all go higher than they should
except Isabella not only did something in college, no one did it better...DHB - 7th
Ginn - 9th
Troy Williamson - 7th
Even Matt Jones (wasn't nearly as fast but insane size/speed combo) was a late first despite needing to switch from QB
Speed will get drafted super high if the wr did anything in college.
Prediction - Campbell, Isabella and Metcalf all go higher than they should
This is why I like what i see from IsabellaI totally recommend thinking of first step and how they use their speed. That will help dynasty people a ton. It's done wonders for me in FF
You might be right. Seems like a good slot WR with speed to burn but i haven't seen many (any?) mocks with him in the first round. I'm thinking he does, but I'd be cautious.Dr. Dan said:except Isabella not only did something in college, no one did it better...
Yet you got guys like Butler (less of a resume) and Marquis Brown (tiny) who people are salivating over and taking even higher than Isabella may be.
Heck, Butler just went 1.1 in GEDL early rookie draft
I just think you're selling Isabella short, no pun intended.
I'll have to look closer if you're this high on him.Dr. Dan said:This is why I like what i see from Isabella
He had good games in previous years against top level teams as well.You might be right. Seems like a good slot WR with speed to burn but i haven't seen many (any?) mocks with him in the first round. I'm thinking he does, but I'd be cautious.
In the right spot I'm thinking of him as a late first FF pick in PPR.
I'll have to look closer if you're this high on him.
He did play really well against Georgia, the only top opponent they played last year.
Two late, long TDs when the score was like 60-7. It's not as good as the boxscore would lead you to believe.You might be right. Seems like a good slot WR with speed to burn but i haven't seen many (any?) mocks with him in the first round. I'm thinking he does, but I'd be cautious.
In the right spot I'm thinking of him as a late first FF pick in PPR.
I'll have to look closer if you're this high on him.
He did play really well against Georgia, the only top opponent they played last year.
I think it's over. There was talk about him being traded for a candy bar this offseason. I think they draft a wr at some point in the first 3 rounds.Fair to say with a new coaching staff and his 3rd year this is probably make or break for Ross.
Just my humble opinion, I think a Ted Ginn type career is in the making.I think it's over. There was talk about him being traded for a candy bar this offseason. I think they draft a wr at some point in the first 3 rounds.
And one was a flea flicker.Two late, long TDs when the score was like 60-7. It's not as good as the boxscore would lead you to believe.
Two late, long TDs when the score was like 60-7. It's not as good as the boxscore would lead you to believe.
Like pretty much every other receiver in this draft, Isabella's going to need to end up in the right system with a complimentary QB pairing and available targets for him to payoff.
After next weekend we can finally start ranking these guys with some degree of clarity.
Sure, lots of garbage time but lots of WRs had garbage time against UGA and didn't have big games. In 2017, Isabella had 163/1 against Miss State. That was an 11 point game and when Isabella scored his 69 yard TD it was in the 2nd quarter and gave UMass a 7 point lead. Also in 2017, UMass lost to Tennessee by 4 and Isabella had 90 total yards on 7 touches. In 2016 against Florida, UMass lost by 21 so not a total blowout. Isabella had the most scrimmage yards of any player on UMass or Florida.And one was a flea flicker.
Did I say he's never done anything in the history of ever?Sure, lots of garbage time but lots of WRs had garbage time against UGA and didn't have big games. In 2017, Isabella had 163/1 against Miss State. That was an 11 point game and when Isabella scored his 69 yard TD it was in the 2nd quarter and gave UMass a 7 point lead. Also in 2017, UMass lost to Tennessee by 4 and Isabella had 90 total yards on 7 touches. In 2016 against Florida, UMass lost by 21 so not a total blowout. Isabella had the most scrimmage yards of any player on UMass or Florida.
Oh so it's cool for you to "yeah but" Oz but if I add some extra info to support a player it's some kind of affront to you?Did I say he's never done anything in the history of ever?
Uh, comment didn't have anything to do with Dr. Dan.Oh so it's cool for you to "yeah but" Dr. Dan but if I add some extra info to support a player it's some kind of affront to you?
Sorry Oz. Point being, I have every right to add information on a player as you do. It wasn't a personal attack, just a discussion on a player.Uh, comment didn't have anything to do with Dr. Dan.
Sure thing, go for it. I just saw that he commented specifically about the Georgia game while coming from a place of needing to look more closely at the prospect. I just find the rush to defense of Isabella interesting. I'm still forming opinions myself. If you want to walk us through a game by game of his that'd be an awesome contribution to his thread.Sorry Oz. Point being, I have every right to add information on a player as you do. It wasn't a personal attack, just a discussion on a player.
I actually thought this was the Isabella thread at the time lol. Just saw all the talk about and assumed I clicked the wrong thread. My opinion on him is pretty well developed at this point although draft capital and location is the final missing piece that is likely to pull him down a bit in my rankings.Sure thing, go for it. I just saw that he commented specifically about the Georgia game while coming from a place of needing to look more closely at the prospect. I just find the rush to defense of Isabella interesting. I'm still forming opinions myself. If you want to walk us through a game by game of his that'd be an awesome contribution to his thread.
It's all good. For me the draft is 80% of the evaluation, so I have very few firm takes on any of these guys. For example, Iast year I had absolutely no interest in Dante Pettis. Then the Niners traded up for him in the 2nd, so I drafted him on every single team I have. Took him mid 2nd in most leagues and now wouldn't deal him for less than the 1.03. Good decision.I actually thought this was the Isabella thread at the time lol. Just saw all the talk about and assumed I clicked the wrong thread. My opinion on him is pretty well developed at this point although draft capital and location is the final missing piece that is likely to pull him down a bit in my rankings.