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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (6 Viewers)
- Thread starter Dr. Awesome
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Your implication was that they should keep their heads down and speak about nothing but football. My point is that they still live in our world, and can speak out about the world they live in.
KCitons
Footballguy
What changes come about from kneeling for the anthem? I think we are finding out. And I'm not sure it's all good.
Did you see my post on Lesean McCoy. Curious what you think about that?
jonessed
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
The President of the United States called their friends and teammates sons of #####es and lobbied for them to be fired.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Thank you. You've made my point in here better than I could. All these "protests" are doing is causing more division in our country. They're not helping ####
jonessed
Footballguy
My implication was they aren't obligated to protest for your vision of humanity.
As to how they can behave at work. That's up to their employer.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
There have been several national discussions in the issues Kaep raised...pretty much his point of doing so.
KCitons
Footballguy
So to be clear, the protests during the National Anthem today was against Trump or against social injustice?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Radical Larry
Footballguy
I was replying to a point of his. If standing doesn't change things who cares if somebody kneels?
I did see the McCoy vid. Personally, I don't care what anybody does during the anthem...unless it prohibits those people who do care from participating (such as talking loudly, blocking the view). And if somebody is so focused on who is standing or kneeling or stretching that's their problem.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Some of both.
social injustice for those who had been doing so already...a show of support of those players and as an FU toTrump for those that joined in today.
jonessed
Footballguy
It's no skin off his back. He seems to like the attention.
He screwed the NFL pretty good though. They are in one hell of a ####storm.
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Really? If your television is on you cant miss it. The camera shows all the "protestors" and then on top of that, the announcers point out who sat/knelt before kickoff
jonessed
Footballguy
The rioting was even more publicized and ended up doing jack. Attention just for attention's sake doesn't really do much. There has to be a link to a political action plan.Ah, discussions were had. I'm sure that those helped alot
My bad
jonessed
Footballguy
Old Smiley
Footballguy
What do you want them to do? Demonstrate so they can be pepper sprayed and tear gassed and shoved aside by army surplus tanks?Ah, discussions were had. I'm sure that those helped alot
My bad
edit: Or shot to death because in case you didn't hear anyone who had a high profile in the Ferguson unrest has been assassinated and stuffed in cars.
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KCitons
Footballguy
And did the players that stood in support of those that want to kneel add to this crapstorm? This is like the Trump with North Korea. I ship has sailed on our President acting Presidential, but that doesn't mean we have to stoop to his level.
jonessed
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
I don't know if kaepernick was right or wrong to protest, but he was definitely brave. He risked, and has apparently lost, a multi million dollar career to make a stand for an issue he believed was important.
I have no problem with people who say it was inappropriate to choose that platform. I have no problem with people who say it was ineffective, although I think that's debatable. I understand people saying they don't want him on their team, or that they don't want players on their team to use televised NFL games as a platform for causes they believe in.
I do have a problem with people acting like they've always stood up and taken off their cap for the anthem and never talked to a friend or been handed a beer and set it down, because I've been to games in cities all around the country and there aren't nearly as many people respecting the flag as there are people upset about someone else disrespecting the flag.
I do have a problem with people acting like standing for the anthem is the issue when they really mean they don't agree with the cause. And I have a much bigger problem with people doing that and not taking time to understand what the cause is.
And while I understand that people are upset that kaep brought politics to the anthem, I think a lot of right wing folks have pushed their agendas to make it a divisive political issue too. Because I know a lot of left wing people who have a wide range of opinions about this, but it seems like most of the fervently right wing folks i know are marching in lock step on an issue which they themselves weren't that serious until it became political. Which would be fine, if they weren't also clamoring about kaep and other players making this political. I find that closed minded and hypocritical.
I have no problem with people who say it was inappropriate to choose that platform. I have no problem with people who say it was ineffective, although I think that's debatable. I understand people saying they don't want him on their team, or that they don't want players on their team to use televised NFL games as a platform for causes they believe in.
I do have a problem with people acting like they've always stood up and taken off their cap for the anthem and never talked to a friend or been handed a beer and set it down, because I've been to games in cities all around the country and there aren't nearly as many people respecting the flag as there are people upset about someone else disrespecting the flag.
I do have a problem with people acting like standing for the anthem is the issue when they really mean they don't agree with the cause. And I have a much bigger problem with people doing that and not taking time to understand what the cause is.
And while I understand that people are upset that kaep brought politics to the anthem, I think a lot of right wing folks have pushed their agendas to make it a divisive political issue too. Because I know a lot of left wing people who have a wide range of opinions about this, but it seems like most of the fervently right wing folks i know are marching in lock step on an issue which they themselves weren't that serious until it became political. Which would be fine, if they weren't also clamoring about kaep and other players making this political. I find that closed minded and hypocritical.
Better to not discuss. Things improve by keeping quiet. Got it. ??Ah, discussions were had. I'm sure that those helped alot
My bad
Shutout
Footballguy
If you don't understand the significance of a group saying I want to discredit those who gave their lives so that I can live freely in order to draw attention to myself, when there are literally hundreds of other ways to do it, then you don't get it.
Do yourself a favor. Go visit a wounded veterans facility, vets retirement home, or a military base and pitch this cause and educate yourself. You might learn something about the difference between selfless sacrifice for all versus kardashian-like spotlighting for effect
GoBirds
Footballguy
Apparently for his segment of protests they represent Black Panther with the fist in air which he now does after sacks?
Trump backed the black men into a corner, forced a confrontation for the sake of his base.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
It takes two to tango. It was immature by both sides. The winner is the one that starts acting like a grown up.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
I dont think it was a coincidence that he started his protesting right after he got benched.
squistion
Footballguy
Radical Larry
Footballguy
Yeah, really.
If I'm standing for the anthem and I see somebody kneeling or wearing a hat or playing pocket pool I'm not going to let it distract me.
It's not my place to judge how others demonstrate their patriotism.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Seeing how trump is incapable of acting like an adult, let's talk about the players. What would an appropriate response on the part of the players looked like?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
We are beyond that now. Not even Trump can stop this. The NFL is going to have to figure this out on their own.
Radical Larry
Footballguy
Or how about "it's not my place to judge if people participate in outward displays of patriotism or not".
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wazoo11
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
It probably isn't a coincidence. That doesn't mean he didn't risk a lot. He was a lock to make 8 figures over the rest of his career as an NFL backup, and he might never get paid to play football again.
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