Zow
Footballguy
Eh, it's not like he's convincing them to boycott NASCAR. Now that would be a feat.
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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (6 Viewers)
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Hard to keep up, but I don't remember him telling anyone they should be offended. You have a link or just putting words in other posters mouths?I thought Americans got offended too easily. Remember all the p*ssification of America talk? Those same people are now offended by kneeling. Apparently the tough guys get to tell everyone else what they should be offended about but not them.
Zow
Footballguy
No kidding. I can't remember the last time I actually watched the national anthem other than the super bowl.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
That is great that the fans link arms and the players kneel for a minute.
Then the games start, players play, the fans watch and get drunk and check their FF teams score, go back into the parking lot have some more to eat and drink and then go home. Players get into the Range Rovers and go their separate ways out to dinner and a club. Coaches and ownesr to the country club for dinner and drinks and discuss the win or loss.
What changes on a Monday morning in a Detroit, Chicago, Newark school or neighborhood?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I didn't name anyone specifically. I was referring to a group of Americans. The ones who are always boasting their national pride and telling people to "Love it or leave it." The ones who have Facebook pages with thousands of followers that tell us that people get offended to often and are snowflakes. The majority seem to be the biggest advocates for Trump.
randall146
Footballguy
Nationalizing private businesses seems kinda communish
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Hopefully a handful of those people actually find a new understanding of what's really going on. Maybe a few people decide it's time to really make a difference and actually to something. Just because it's not going to change instantly doesn't mean it's not worth doing.
randall146
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Trump just needs to go nuclear on the NFL. If they want to continue this political commentary, then introduce legislation to take away their antitrust exemption.
The owners will reign in all this garbage.
The owners will reign in all this garbage.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
How is any of that a good idea and show good leadership? Why do you want American citizens to be forced to do things, do you hate freedom that much?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
If love of country doesn't mean anything to a citizen of the United States, I have no use for them. I'm sorry, the love of country is supposed to be strong, Patriotism is supposed to burn bright in a citizen, so much so that you'd die for it.
So either NFL players don't love their country, or they do and are disrespecting it. Which is it?
I cannot put myself exactly where they are, no more so than they can put themselves where I am or where my family came from. Yes, the country has a dark past, every country does. We've come a long way. the last sentence there is one we fundamentally disagree on
very very rarely is someone shot without due cause - and a million things wrong with the criminal justice system treatment of black people? there are many white and brown communities in dire straights, many whites and browns on drugs, criminals, poverty, high crime etc. Don't think the problems in the black communities are only for them, they're not. Solve these problems as a COUNTRY, not as individual skin colors please. When you split everyone into groups based on color of skin, nothing good comes from it.
the problems facing the people of the United States - of all colors - needs addressed, absolutely. Using disrespect to our flag and country ? unacceptable
I literally just asked a black friend about what he thought about it all - and he 100% agreed with me that there are issues that need addressed, kneeling is NOT a way to address them and he's offended as well and won't watch games now. He went further, and said his kids better never think they can kneel as a way to complain about something ... he said he'd bust their a$$ for it. He's absolutely right
roadkill1292
Footballguy
The antitrust exemption should be removed regardless. Cartels are bad for the nation.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
When you tell him, don't use the phrase "go nuclear." I don't want any confusion.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Its called honoring the military, respecting those who've served, Patriotism to this great country and the love of it.
If you don't get it, you just don't. Some people are like that I guess.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Table Rock lake is fantastic ... we pulled into a dock at 2 pm and in 5 minutes I had two 3 1/2 pounders in the boat and lost 2 more. Could have been an amazing finish if I'd have landed those other two (using finesse baits, small hooks, 6 lb test and deep water, tough fishing)
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Lucky. I've only driven past. Two weeks ago I spent 5 days fishing in MN. Was the best year we ever had.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
The flag doesn't represent the military though and I feel too many people get caught up in that. The flag represents America and as great as we all know it is it still has some flaws. How about we all get past the outrage and focus trying to improve those flaws? I think people are too stuck on the wrong thing here. I get it, everyone got offended but now that your attention was gained lets focus on the real point of the whole protest.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
It was a long time ago, a different world, a different time ........... no, I'm not going to forge an analogy between that world, and the NFL players openly and knowingly disrespecting the people and the country. I won't draw it with Trump either, who was wrong in the words he used.
I wonder .... if we had a war start with North Korea tomorrow, how many men would would refuse to go? 20%? 50% ? They don't love and respect their country enough to stand or to even get on a message board and defend that .......... do you think they'd go to N Korea and lay their lives down for the United States ?
More and more this country is losing its Patriotism I think. So funny Henry Ford that you want to say the Confederacy was splitting from the USA in its infancy, and that should be offensive, but the splitting you're witnessing right now in the United States is a 1st Amendment freedom and simply an expression of views.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
No one is splitting from the USA. Just expressing dissatisfaction with a thing that's part of it.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
depends on what you're talking about i guess ... there are many levels of offensive thingsI thought Americans got offended too easily. Remember all the p*ssification of America talk? Those same people are now offended by kneeling. Apparently the tough guys get to tell everyone else what they should be offended about but not them.
kneeling isn't offensive to some here, but add a letter to LGBTQ and that's highly offensive isn't it ?
squistion
Footballguy
False dichotomy.
You can love this country, but still see injustices and inequality that you want to see changed. Expressing that, by silently kneeling and genuflecting towards the flag during the national anthem is not showing disrespect.
If anything would be disrespectful to those and fought and died to protect our constitutional rights, it would be forcing people to make a public display of patriotism and/or punishing them for expressing their right of free speech if they don't.
drummer
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Obama had Fast and Furious, the SS sex scandals, Hillary's emails, Benghazi lies and attempted coverup, the Iran payoff's, the hot mic Obama promises to Russia, the wire tapping of Trump towers before the election, the massive unmasking that was Obama's administration ..... bin Laden wasn't caught FYI and many more things that can be listed.
there is a long term memory problem in the US
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I lived in Duluth one summer, fished Brainerd area but especially Chequamegon Bay ... incredible smallmouth fishing (live in Minneapolis one winter too)
drummer
Footballguy
The thing is:
Trump is actually corrupt, and they knew that when they voted for him.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I appreciate this as performance art. A commentary on Trumpism, whereby you say so many things that are so obviously false and ridiculous that your opponents can't hold your feet to the fire on any one of them without getting distracted by the others and throwing their hands up in frustration. Well played.
squistion
Footballguy
No, but if he had a choice, he probably would have preferred that to the actual outcome.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm
The above is a good reminder of what the Flag means, what it is, the respect it deserves because without that flag, and what it represents, you and I have nothing as citizens.
Its like the Bible being the word of God, but it isn't God, yet it does represent God and should be respected and honored
Except religion is a choice - every citizen of the United States is under our American flag and if you're a citizen, it isn't your choice but your duty.
that's the kicker
I don't want to listen to a word any of them has to say. If they think I'm willing to listen to them after they offended me, then they should be willing to listen to Trump after he offended them
True? But they won't, and I won't, for the very same reasons.
As I said, nobody won here, everyone lost
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I think he's genuine. And there's a lot more like him out there and that scares me.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
Interesting how it was a former Green Beret who first told Kaepernick about the kneeling during the anthem idea.
I guess he was disrespecting the military when he came up with that idea. Would seem to make sense.
I guess he was disrespecting the military when he came up with that idea. Would seem to make sense.
randall146
Footballguy
This is simply not true. Love of country is supposed to be an individual choice. Patriotism is supposed to be an individual choice.
To say nothing of the fact that genuine patriotic love of country can be expressed in ways you don't approve of or understand.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Do you honestly think that Trump himself gets this at all? I don't seem to recall you being horrified when he disparaged John McCain's service record or attacked the Gold Star Khan family during the DNC. You're outraged over a bunch of 20-something athletes quietly protesting a legitimate issue and were totally OK with a Presidential candidate's blatant disrespect to genuine heros and now that he's President using these protests as a deliberate wedge issue to score political points with folks who don't know any better. Just awful, and another perfect illustration of how we ended up with this clown in the first place.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I'll call Trump for what happens under his administration, can you do the same for what happened under Obama?
if I can't back up what I say, I'll admit it
Stealthycat
Footballguy
randall146
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Can you think of what the difference is between the two groups that makes you support one but not the other?
randall146
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
James Fennimore Cooper, are you horrible at analogies.
And it is the Constitution, not the flag that represents what we have as citizens. And the Constitution gives all of us the choice to stand, sit or do anything else that is not otherwise unlawful during the playing of the anthem.
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