Phlash
Footballguy
There are a lot of fantastic young QBs right now.Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3, Luck, Newton, and Dalton all have room to grow and improve. All could make big noise in the next 5 years.
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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (7 Viewers)
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
"One of these things is not like the others"
Wingnut
Footballguy
I think Dalton belongs in that list. He's not the same style as the others, but I think he's gonna be a good one.
goldenchild
Footballguy
'Dr. Octopus said:
ETA: Well, this is Kaep's thread after all... Besides, teams can have as much tape as they want on someone, the great ones overcome it. We'll find out in 7 short months...
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
What do you think?'Dr. Octopus said:
BaBastage
Footballguy
I think there's some basis to this. At the same time, I think a dual threat QB by definition will have an advantage over a single-threat QB. Time will tell how much that advantage is.One thing to keep in mind is that with a full offseason knowing that Kaepernick will be the starter in the fall, the coaches can draft and build skills around him to complement his own. It should be an interesting 2013 season.
Wingnut
Footballguy
This is the big thing to remember. This season he was thrown into the fire without the benefit of having a full offseason to work with his WRs, etc. Harbaugh will tailor the offense, playbook, and personnel completely around Kaep and his abilities.Just think about that for a second. Not only will Kaep have an entire offseason as the starter to progress, but the 49ers coaching staff will have a full offseason with Kaep as the starter. We all know about Harbaughs GURU status when it comes to QBs, and now he has his own hand picked guy to work with for an entire offseason.
To say the least.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think it's just something that people say as if it's valid, when in reality it's not. Do you have any examples of QBs that failed in their second seasons after successful rookie seasons because opposing DCs had them figured out?
cstu
Footballguy
There are a lot of examples of QB's who regressed their 2nd year but I don't agree with the 'figured them out' claim - except maybe for Vince Young.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I agree that some do regress in their second year and maybe Kaep and/or Wilson will, but like you say it won't be because they were figured out (if not in theory all QBs would). I probably wouldn't even agree with Young being "figured out" as he was more just a headcase - but perhaps due to his inconsistent (to be nice) passing skills you may be right on that.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Its game planning more than figuring out. He was an unknown quantity for much of the season. The more tape there is of a player, obviously the more Ds can study. I'd say of the two, Kaep will struggle more with Ds adjusting to him because Wilson is better at progressions. A lot of people have mentioned how he's not the greatest at anticipating open WRs and uses his ultimate cannon to overcome that.
cstu
Footballguy
Kaep seemed to really lock onto Crabtree and VD. With the exception of the Saints and Seahawks he completed ~60% of his passes to them.
goldenchild
Footballguy
He also had great chemistry with Manningham and Williams before they went down with injuries.
butcher boy
Footballguy
True, On that last goalline attempt on third down, he didn't even see a wide open Delanie Walker in the endzone.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Was Walker the WR on Crabtree's side, but in the end zone? If so, he was not wide open. He only looked open when the tackle was made on Crabtree because the DB on Walker came off of him as soon as the pass was thrown to Crabtree to help make the tackle and not let him score.
cstu
Footballguy
Check it again. Walker comes off wide open because Corey Graham correctly assumes that the ball is going to Crabtree. Kaep has not yet decided to throw the ball as Graham is coming towards Crabtree and leaving Walker. Walker turns around at goal line with no one within a few feet of him but Kaep has already locked on to Crabtree at the 5. If Kaep recognizes that, easy TD, but instead he has already decided to throw it to Crabtree before the play begins.
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BaBastage
Footballguy
I've become a Kaep supporter, so take this for whatever you want... Greg Cosell this morning on KNBR (Podcast at http://www.knbr.com/...php?page_id=341) said, point blank, that for all the second guessing of the play calls, it was Kaepernick who missed open players on 2nd and 3rd down.
I'm sure this will spark some debate... whatever. it was his 10th start, I'm not concerned long-term.
I'm sure this will spark some debate... whatever. it was his 10th start, I'm not concerned long-term.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I disagree. When Kaepernick's arm is going back to throw, that is when the DB goes away from Walker. Sure, it is easy to say Kaepernick could have pulled it back and then thrown to Walker, but in that time span, the DB could have then covered Walker again. It's like Atlanta's 4th down failure against SF. Some insisted that Gonzalez was open, but he was only open once the pass to Roddy fell incomplete.
cstu
Footballguy
The DB is already heading towards Crabtree before Kaep brings his arm back. It's possible that if Kaep takes his eyes off Crabtree and looked Walker that he could have came back but it happened so fast I think it's unlikely.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Crab, Boldin, Manningham, VD, and possibly AJ Jenkins.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I wouldnt sleep on AJ Jenkins either. Near elite metrics and a full year to learn. I think the 49ers might be the team to beat over the next several years.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Are you speaking of AJ here?
cstu
Footballguy
Harvin - 5-11, 192, 4.39 40, 37" vertical, 10-01 broadJenkins - 6-0, 190, 4.37 40, 38.5" vertical, 10-04 broad
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
He barely played last season. Harbaugh was grooming him just like with Kaep and LaMike. Be patient.
drummer
Footballguy
Nucker101
Footballguy
That's true, but it's hard to deny his upside with his physical abilities. I'm hoping that he sees a lot more action this year.
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah but the early reports from last season camp was that he wasn't prepared well, and/or had questionable work ethics. He would had seen some play if he was in shape or ready for at least some snaps, especially since the injuries to Kyle Williams and Mario Manningham would had given him a shot to play. Bottom line is, he wasn't 'being groomed' like the poster is saying.That's true, but it's hard to deny his upside with his physical abilities. I'm hoping that he sees a lot more action this year.
thehornet
Footballguy
hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
There ya go.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Alex Smith is 3-0.
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
It's not like everybody else who saw the Chiefs game thought Smith could be replaced with Tebow.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
thehornet
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
With Davis out, his only legit receiver today was Boldin (Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Quinton Patton and Vance McDonald were his other options). Not too many QBs gonna look good with that bunch to throw to.hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
mad sweeney
Footballguy
You talking about Colin's last two games? Smith 2 wins, CK 2 losses.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Who's Brady throwing to these days?With Davis out, his only legit receiver today was Boldin (Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Quinton Patton and Vance McDonald were his other options). Not too many QBs gonna look good with that bunch to throw to.hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
drummer
Footballguy
You pull out all kinds of weird cards.Who's Brady throwing to these days?With Davis out, his only legit receiver today was Boldin (Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Quinton Patton and Vance McDonald were his other options). Not too many QBs gonna look good with that bunch to throw to.hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
Wingnut
Footballguy
Do you comprehend what "not too many QBs " means? It means there may be one or two that could be okay with that bunch...but nobody here would be dumb enough to compare Kaep to Brady...right?Who's Brady throwing to these days?With Davis out, his only legit receiver today was Boldin (Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Quinton Patton and Vance McDonald were his other options). Not too many QBs gonna look good with that bunch to throw to.hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
Until the Pats play a legit team, the jury is still out on them. Are they a good team? No clue.Who's Brady throwing to these days?With Davis out, his only legit receiver today was Boldin (Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Quinton Patton and Vance McDonald were his other options). Not too many QBs gonna look good with that bunch to throw to.hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
mad sweeney
Footballguy
If Kaepernick and the Niners want to be considered elite, they can't get smothered like they have the last two weeks. I know you get mad when people poke holes in your excuses. They had VD last week and he was a non factor even before he got sand in his vajayjay.You pull out all kinds of weird cards.Who's Brady throwing to these days?With Davis out, his only legit receiver today was Boldin (Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Quinton Patton and Vance McDonald were his other options). Not too many QBs gonna look good with that bunch to throw to.hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
drummer
Footballguy
The only person who is upset is you. Of course, you don't realize it.If Kaepernick and the Niners want to be considered elite, they can't get smothered like they have the last two weeks. I know you get mad when people poke holes in your excuses. They had VD last week and he was a non factor even before he got sand in his vajayjay.You pull out all kinds of weird cards.Who's Brady throwing to these days?With Davis out, his only legit receiver today was Boldin (Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Quinton Patton and Vance McDonald were his other options). Not too many QBs gonna look good with that bunch to throw to.hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I do comprehend it. The Niners and Kaep are supposed to be elite. If his WRs are weak, then Kaep needs to be better, but he's not.Do you comprehend what "not too many QBs " means? It means there may be one or two that could be okay with that bunch...but nobody here would be dumb enough to compare Kaep to Brady...right?Who's Brady throwing to these days?With Davis out, his only legit receiver today was Boldin (Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Quinton Patton and Vance McDonald were his other options). Not too many QBs gonna look good with that bunch to throw to.hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
mad sweeney
Footballguy
The only person who is upset is you. Of course, you don't realize it.If Kaepernick and the Niners want to be considered elite, they can't get smothered like they have the last two weeks. I know you get mad when people poke holes in your excuses. They had VD last week and he was a non factor even before he got sand in his vajayjay.You pull out all kinds of weird cards.Who's Brady throwing to these days?With Davis out, his only legit receiver today was Boldin (Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Quinton Patton and Vance McDonald were his other options). Not too many QBs gonna look good with that bunch to throw to.hiI am SO gonna bump this post next season.Kaeperflash (for an easy search to find this post)great research above, but really all you need to do is watch the games. Kaep shouldn't be starting and outside of a couple nice plays in a couple games, he doesn't really look like he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. But hey, at least Alex Smith isn't starting anymore
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