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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (10 Viewers)

  Kneeling is a submissive posture. They need to think of something different. Looks like they are bowing in respect to "The man"
As evidenced by the comments online, most who viewed the picture saw that as a gesture of protest, not being submissive or bowing to The Man.

Since they couldn't participate in the walk, they knelt instead and got the same point across (and probably got more publicity because of it).

 
Charles Robinson‏ @CharlesRobinson 11m11 minutes ago

So guess which former #NFL player went through a 90-minute throwing workout on a private Houston area practice field this morning?

Colin Kaepernick.

Despite having to duck security, I was able to view the whole workout. He looked good. I’ll have a little something on it soon.

https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/974335838996914176 (0:04 second video clip of workout at link)
Sounds like he's preparing for Vince McMahon's league.  Good for him

 
http://www.tmz.com/2018/03/15/colin-kaepernick-quarterback-training-video/

Colin Kaepernick Ripping Passes In Houston... 'Training Every Day'

Colin Kaepernick wants everyone to know he's still NFL ready ... and he's showing off his rocket arm during a training session in Houston.

Kaepernick hit the field with Josh Hidalgo -- Head of Sports Performance at William Paterson University -- and threw some darts with a team of pass catchers. 

Hidalgo says he's been training Kaep every single day since January 2017 -- adding, "We haven't stopped throwing, training and preparing."

"To say he's dedicated is an understatement ... Even when we’re traveling we put in that work."

Kaepernick hasn't taken a snap in the NFL since 2016 -- before he parted ways with the San Francisco 49ers. 

Kaep has said he wants to get back in the league and compete for a starting job again -- and now he wants the world to see he's still got the talent that took him to the Super Bowl.

 
http://www.tmz.com/2018/03/16/colin-kaepernick-bob-mcnair-houston-texans-collusion-nfl/

Colin Kaepernick All Smiles After Legal Showdown with Texans Owner

Colin Kaepernick sure seemed to be in a good mood in Houston on Friday -- after personally attending the deposition of Texans owner Bob McNair in his collusion case against the NFL. 

TMZ Sports obtained a photo of Kaep after the depo with his attorney, Ben Meiselas -- with some extra pep in their step. 

As we previously reported, Kaepernick had filed a grievance against the league claiming owners and other high-ranking NFL officials were in cahoots to blackball Colin after his national anthem demonstration. 

Kaepernick had arrived in Houston earlier this week -- and even knocked out a QB workout with his trainer. 

As far as the case goes ... McNair isn't the only big name on the witness list -- Kaep's legal team from Geragos & Geragos also subpoenaed Seahawks owner Paul Allen and coach Pete Carroll along with Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft. 

Stay tuned ... 

 
Even OJ knows kraepernick made a mistake

O.J. Simpson, left, says Colin Kaepernick, right, made a “mistake” when he began his protest of police violence against African Americans by taking a knee during the nationanl anthem at National Football League games. (Wire archive photos)

O.J. Simpson, in his first interview since leaving prison, told the Buffalo News that former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick made a mistake “in attacking the flag.”

 
Even OJ knows kraepernick made a mistake

O.J. Simpson, left, says Colin Kaepernick, right, made a “mistake” when he began his protest of police violence against African Americans by taking a knee during the nationanl anthem at National Football League games. (Wire archive photos)

O.J. Simpson, in his first interview since leaving prison, told the Buffalo News that former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick made a mistake “in attacking the flag.”
Mods asked nicknames like this for Kaep not be used.

On ‎12‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 8:22 PM, tjnc09 said:

There are many, many QBs better than Krap.  That's why he isn't in the league anymore.

I don't drink caffeine.  Thanks for the concern though.
Please don't use that name.
 
Even OJ knows kraepernick made a mistake

O.J. Simpson, left, says Colin Kaepernick, right, made a “mistake” when he began his protest of police violence against African Americans by taking a knee during the nationanl anthem at National Football League games. (Wire archive photos)

O.J. Simpson, in his first interview since leaving prison, told the Buffalo News that former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick made a mistake “in attacking the flag.”
Did Kaep stab the flag 7 times and nearly decapitate it?

 
http://www.tmz.com/2018/03/15/brandon-marshall-colin-kaepernick-support-nfl-players/

Broncos' Brandon Marshall: All NFL Players Support Kaepernick

The owners might be scared ... but virtually all the players in the NFL support Colin Kaepernick and want him back in the league ... this according to Denver Broncos LB Brandon Marshall.

Marshall has been tight with Kaep since college and told the guys on the "TMZ Sports" TV show (airs tonight on FS1) that he's 100% confident C.K. is ready to compete with the best in the world.

But Marshall doesn't think Kaep's job status has anything to do with his skill -- it's the owners who are too afraid to stand up for the QB.

As far as the players go, Marshall says everybody he's spoken with in the league has voiced support for Kaepernick ... and wants to see him back in the NFL where he belongs.

 
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Even OJ knows kraepernick made a mistake

O.J. Simpson, left, says Colin Kaepernick, right, made a “mistake” when he began his protest of police violence against African Americans by taking a knee during the nationanl anthem at National Football League games. (Wire archive photos)

O.J. Simpson, in his first interview since leaving prison, told the Buffalo News that former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick made a mistake “in attacking the flag.”
I think I would need to hear from some other murderers first before making a judgement here...

 
Several polls emerged throughout the season, suggesting that many fans had tuned the NFL out due to the anthem protests. While anti-collusion rules which prevent owners from conspiring to keep a player out of the league do exist. There’s no rule against 32 individual owners each coming to their own conclusion that signing Colin Kaepernick would be a bad idea for business.

To date, no  evidence has emerged which proves that NFL owners colluded or conspired to keep Kaepernick out of the league.

 
Several polls emerged throughout the season, suggesting that many fans had tuned the NFL out due to the anthem protests. While anti-collusion rules which prevent owners from conspiring to keep a player out of the league do exist. There’s no rule against 32 individual owners each coming to their own conclusion that signing Colin Kaepernick would be a bad idea for business.

To date, no  evidence has emerged which proves that NFL owners colluded or conspired to keep Kaepernick out of the league.
As was noted several times in this thread, those polls had methodology issues or drew misleading conclusions. There has been a drop in NFL viewership but no one has really proven that it was because of the anthem protests (or if it was the percentage is really small).

As far as the collusion case, we don't know what Kaep's attorneys have uncovered in their depositions, nothing has been released publically, so evidence may or may not have emerged, we can't say at this time, what they have found or did not find.

 
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Listened to a podcast today with a local, black, former agent, broadcast legend and this was brought up.  He isn't well known nationally by the public but he counts Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Joe Namath and pretty much every other major sports star as a friend. Anyway, his take was this was beyond stupid because the players did such a poor job organizing and conveying the message.  Then of course eventually having the message hijacked.  FWIW another point was theses same stupid players negotiated for things like less practices and running at them instead of guaranteed money and long-term health care after football. 

Also said he is done with the NFL for the most part because of how terrible the game is today.  That's something I think millions of former diehard fans can agree with including myself.  

 
As was noted several times in this thread, those polls had methodology issues or drew misleading conclusions. There has been a drop in NFL viewership but no one has really proven that it was because of the anthem protests (or if it was the percentage is really small).

As far as the collusion case, we don't know what Kaep's attorneys have uncovered in their depositions, nothing has been released publically, so evidence may or may not have emerged, we can't say at this time, what they have found or did not find.
National anthem protests were the top reason that NFL fans watched fewer games last season, according to a new survey released by J.D. Power.

The pollster said it asked more than 9,200 people who attended either one football, basketball or hockey game whether they tuned into fewer games and why. Twenty-six percent of those who watched fewer games last season said that national anthem protests, some of which were led by Colin Kaepernick, were the reason.

 
SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (WWLP) – Millions of Americans say they’ve stopped watching NFL football this season.

A poll released by Seton Hall University at the end of September found that of Americans who said they have stopped watching football, 47 percent said it was because of player protests of the national anthem.

 
National anthem protests were the top reason that NFL fans watched fewer games last season, according to a new survey released by J.D. Power.

The pollster said it asked more than 9,200 people who attended either one football, basketball or hockey game whether they tuned into fewer games and why. Twenty-six percent of those who watched fewer games last season said that national anthem protests, some of which were led by Colin Kaepernick, were the reason.
jon_mx that was not a new survey. Of course you would not be truthful about this, it was from June of 2017.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20171611/national-anthem-protests-no-1-reason-viewers-tuned-nfl-games

And of course, what you are saying, jon_mx is misleading:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/27/what-that-study-about-the-decline-in-football-viewership-actually-says/?utm_term=.cd93a6a253ac

 
The UBS survey from what it calls its “Evidence Lab” indicates that 50 percent of the respondents who watched less NFL football in 2017 gave disapproval of the national anthem protests as their reason

 
I was cutting and pasting.  You said there was no proof.   I posted three studies from three reliable polling groups which prove otherwise.  Your denial is epic.  

 
squistion said:
:rolling smiley:

And you said this was from "new surveys" you were not truthful.
Can you read?   I did not say anything.  I cut and pasted portions of three articles to disprove your absurd statement..  You are such a little weasel who can't handle facts and throws out attacks and then run to the mods when things don't go your way.   So pathetic.  

 
SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (WWLP) – Millions of Americans say they’ve stopped watching NFL football this season.

A poll released by Seton Hall University at the end of September found that of Americans who said they have stopped watching football, 47 percent said it was because of player protests of the national anthem.
Upset because of kneeling football players. ROFL.  Talk about snowflakes!

 
Upset because of kneeling football players. ROFL.  Talk about snowflakes!
A lot of those people, or at least the few I know who say they stopped watching, had buddies who died fighting for that flag that is being disrespected.  Not a snowflake in my book.   

 
A lot of those people, or at least the few I know who say they stopped watching, had buddies who died fighting for that flag that is being disrespected.  Not a snowflake in my book.   
It was black people trying to peacefully protest the fact that many innocent people were getting killed by law enforcement. Was not disrespecting the military. It was not disrespecting the flag. That was an excuse people came up with to hide their blatant racism. 

 
It was black people trying to peacefully protest the fact that many innocent people were getting killed by law enforcement. Was not disrespecting the military. It was not disrespecting the flag. That was an excuse people came up with to hide their blatant racism. 
:lmao:

No it wasn't.  It was a handful of guys doing that.  Then it was hundreds when Trump called them SOBs.  Most of those guys were doing it to piss off Trump.  Which is fine but don't make up something it wasn't.

 
squistion said:
Stealthy Cat has all kinds of personal anecdotes of friends he knows to back up all his claims too. And his are just as credible as yours, jon_mx.
Hey Scooter, weren't you the one throwing a tantrum about nicknames for people?  

 
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-free-agency-quarterbacks-colin-kaepernick-status-update/h8vtj7o2px9q1cbwmkier4l34

NFL quarterback market is anybody but Colin Kaepernick — again

As NFL free agency officially begins and teams grab every available quarterback off the market, one notable free-agent quarterback keeps going largely unrecognized as "available."

A few observers here and there point out that, along with the likes of Josh McCown and AJ McCarron, teams could also sign ex-49er Colin Kaepernick, who was a free agent at this time last year, too. For the most part, though, his name goes unmentioned.

No one should expect Kaepernick to get a call, though, for the same reasons (good and bad, right and wrong, true and false) that kept him out of the NFL in 2017, and for another that wasn't a factor last offseason. Kaepernick’s collusion grievance against the league, filed in October, is still in play.

Yahoo! Sports reported last month that Kaepernick’s attorneys had requested depositions from several owners, team and league executives and even commissioner Roger Goodell’s wife, Jane. With discovery still going on, no timetable is set for when the arbitrator can hear the case.

It's not impossible or impermissible for a team to sign or even negotiate with Kaepernick while the grievance is in play … but it’s impractical and unlikely. Kaepernick could receive damages — lost salary from last season and, conceivably, this season — if he wins the case.

Legal issues or not, though, teams are acting exactly the same this offseason as last year with Kaepernick; signing, almost literally, any and every player who has ever taken a snap, as starters and backups, for eight-figure salaries and league minimums.

As long as they’re not the quarterback who kneeled or sat in protest during the national anthem of every game during the 2016 season.

The state of quarterbacking has not changed in a year, and for the most part, the list of players teams would rather acquire than Kaepernick hasn't, either.

— Sam Bradford, who only played the first two games of last season for the Vikings before sitting the last 14 with left knee problems, signed for $20 million with the Cardinals.

— Mike Glennon, who lasted four games as the Bears starter last year after arriving as a free agent, signed with the Cardinals as Bradford’s backup.

— McCarron, who won a grievance with the Bengals to become an unrestricted free agent, signed with the Bills for $6.8 million guaranteed. He has three regular-season and one postseason start in four NFL seasons.

— Josh McCown, who turns 39 in July, signed for $10 million to return to the Jets. Teddy Bridgewater, who missed all but one game in the last two seasons after his severe knee injury in 2016, joined him on the Jets for $5 million guaranteed.

— Ryan Fitzpatrick, who started three games replacing the injured Jameis Winston last season, re-signed with the Buccaneers for $3.3 million.

— Tom Savage, who played for four seasons in Houston and was 2-7 as a starter, signed with the Saints to back up Drew Brees.

— Chase Daniel, who was Brees’s backup in New Orleans last season and has attempted three passes for three teams in the past three years, signed with the Bears for $7 million guaranteed.

Also, besides the aforementioned potential return to the Dolphins, Chad Henne, a backup in Jacksonville the last six seasons, reportedly will visit the Titans about their backup job.

On the trade market, Trevor Siemian, made expendable when the Broncos signed Case Keenum from the Vikings, was packaged to the Vikings for draft picks, presumably to be Kirk Cousins’ backup. Still on the Broncos' depth chart are Brock Osweiler and Paxton Lynch.

Kaepernick, 30, last played a regular-season game on January 1, 2017.

 
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-free-agency-quarterbacks-colin-kaepernick-status-update/h8vtj7o2px9q1cbwmkier4l34

NFL quarterback market is anybody but Colin Kaepernick — again

As NFL free agency officially begins and teams grab every available quarterback off the market, one notable free-agent quarterback keeps going largely unrecognized as "available."

A few observers here and there point out that, along with the likes of Josh McCown and AJ McCarron, teams could also sign ex-49er Colin Kaepernick, who was a free agent at this time last year, too. For the most part, though, his name goes unmentioned.

No one should expect Kaepernick to get a call, though, for the same reasons (good and bad, right and wrong, true and false) that kept him out of the NFL in 2017, and for another that wasn't a factor last offseason. Kaepernick’s collusion grievance against the league, filed in October, is still in play.

Yahoo! Sports reported last month that Kaepernick’s attorneys had requested depositions from several owners, team and league executives and even commissioner Roger Goodell’s wife, Jane. With discovery still going on, no timetable is set for when the arbitrator can hear the case.

It's not impossible or impermissible for a team to sign or even negotiate with Kaepernick while the grievance is in play … but it’s impractical and unlikely. Kaepernick could receive damages — lost salary from last season and, conceivably, this season — if he wins the case.

Legal issues or not, though, teams are acting exactly the same this offseason as last year with Kaepernick; signing, almost literally, any and every player who has ever taken a snap, as starters and backups, for eight-figure salaries and league minimums.

As long as they’re not the quarterback who kneeled or sat in protest during the national anthem of every game during the 2016 season.

The state of quarterbacking has not changed in a year, and for the most part, the list of players teams would rather acquire than Kaepernick hasn't, either.

— Sam Bradford, who only played the first two games of last season for the Vikings before sitting the last 14 with left knee problems, signed for $20 million with the Cardinals.

— Mike Glennon, who lasted four games as the Bears starter last year after arriving as a free agent, signed with the Cardinals as Bradford’s backup.

— McCarron, who won a grievance with the Bengals to become an unrestricted free agent, signed with the Bills for $6.8 million guaranteed. He has three regular-season and one postseason start in four NFL seasons.

— Josh McCown, who turns 39 in July, signed for $10 million to return to the Jets. Teddy Bridgewater, who missed all but one game in the last two seasons after his severe knee injury in 2016, joined him on the Jets for $5 million guaranteed.

— Ryan Fitzpatrick, who started three games replacing the injured Jameis Winston last season, re-signed with the Buccaneers for $3.3 million.

— Tom Savage, who played for four seasons in Houston and was 2-7 as a starter, signed with the Saints to back up Drew Brees.

— Chase Daniel, who was Brees’s backup in New Orleans last season and has attempted three passes for three teams in the past three years, signed with the Bears for $7 million guaranteed.

Also, besides the aforementioned potential return to the Dolphins, Chad Henne, a backup in Jacksonville the last six seasons, reportedly will visit the Titans about their backup job.

On the trade market, Trevor Siemian, made expendable when the Broncos signed Case Keenum from the Vikings, was packaged to the Vikings for draft picks, presumably to be Kirk Cousins’ backup. Still on the Broncos' depth chart are Brock Osweiler and Paxton Lynch.

Kaepernick, 30, last played a regular-season game on January 1, 2017.
Average QB, at best, who is now a year removed from the game and has a lawsuit against the NFL.  Zero chance.

 
Last I checked, the NFL is a business.   Keap is really bad for business.   Really don't need another reason.  

 
Last I checked, the NFL is a business.   Keap is really bad for business.   Really don't need another reason.  
Once again, there is no actual proof of that. TV ratings were down the year before he started the kneeling protest (how do you account for that?) but it has yet to be shown, outside of some dubious studies, that people in significant numbers have been tuning out related to him or the other players who are protesting.

 
Josh Johnson to the Raiders.  That's a guy that works hard, is a good teammate, knows his role as a backup and doesn't cause any issues.  

 
Once again, there is no actual proof of that. TV ratings were down the year before he started the kneeling protest (how do you account for that?) but it has yet to be shown, outside of some dubious studies, that people in significant numbers have been tuning out related to him or the other players who are protesting.
There's say that there is "no proof" that Kaepernick is bad for business YET....you swear that there is absolute proof of Trump's collusion, election tampering, and obstruction of justice even though not a single shred of evidence has been exposed to support your beliefs (hopes) in a year-and-a-half of digging!  Yep....move along...no bias here!   :coffee:  

 
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Once again, there is no actual proof of that. TV ratings were down the year before he started the kneeling protest (how do you account for that?) but it has yet to be shown, outside of some dubious studies, that people in significant numbers have been tuning out related to him or the other players who are protesting.
:lol: calling it dubious does not make it so.  JD Power, UBS, and Seton Hall are all reliable and unbiased organizations and each one concluded based upon surveys of thousands of people that these protests is the number 1 cause of people turning off the NFL.  Personal attacks and baseless assertions don't change the facts of what the research conclusively shows.  

 
There's say that there is "no proof" that Kaepernick is bad for business YET....you swear that there is absolute proof of Trump's collusion, election tampering, and obstruction of justice even though not a single shred of evidence has been exposed to support your beliefs (hopes) in a year-and-a-half of digging!  Yep....move along...no bias here!   :coffee:  
I have never sworn that, we have not seen what Mueller has yet so there is no evidence out there that we can literally point to. However, a pretty good case can be made for obstruction with Trump's own words to Lester Holt and the Russian diplomats as to why he fired Comey.

 
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calling it dubious does not make it so.  JD Power, UBS, and Seton Hall are all reliable and unbiased organizations and each one concluded based upon surveys of thousands of people that these protests is the number 1 cause of people turning off the NFL.  Personal attacks and baseless assertions don't change the facts of what the research conclusively shows.  
I know you consider JD Power polls gospel but their poll findings on declining viewership being tied to the protests was misleading and had methodology issues which has been well documented. And an online voluntary poll is by nature of dubious validity. From just one article.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/27/16050800/nfl-viewership-national-anthem-protests-jd-power-survey-2017

No, NFL viewership wasn't down because of anthem protests

The J.D. Power 2017 Fan Experience Survey suggests there were many factors, including election coverage and the league’s handling of domestic violence issues.

NFL viewership was down last season. The league and media outlets offered a number of reasons, including the league’s handling of domestic violence issues and competition from a contentious election cycle. But nobody ever nailed down a specific reason for the drop. The J.D. Power 2017 Fan Experience Survey suggests national anthem protests were the leading factor, but there’s some important context that comes with that.

Despite an earlier report from ESPN that buried the lede a bit on the effect the protests had on ratings, only 3 percent of respondents to the online survey indicated that the protests were the primary reason they watched fewer NFL games in 2016.

The study surveyed 9,200 sports fans who had attended at least one NFL, NBA, or NHL game last season. These fans were asked if their viewing of NFL games on television decreased, increased, or stayed the same in 2016.

Viewing habits didn’t change for 61 percent of the NFL fans polled. Twenty-nine percent said they watched more football in 2016, and just 10 percent said they watched fewer games.

Factoring in the rest of the respondents, 62 percent of the overall group watched the same amount, 27 percent watched more, and 12 percent watched fewer NFL games in 2016.

The reasons fans chose to watch less football ranged from players’ national anthem protests, to the league’s failures in handling domestic violence issues with players, to cutting the cord and getting rid of traditional cable. Participants were allowed to select more than one reason.

Why NFL viewership declined

The anthem protests did lead the pack. Among the respondents who said they watched less football, 30 percent of the NFL fans and 26 percent of all respondents gave that as a primary reason.

Of the 9,200 who responded, 1,104 said they watched fewer NFL games than they have in the past. Of those 1,104 people, 287 said that national anthem protests were the main reason. That’s just 3 percent of the survey’s respondents.

The demographics of the survey participants, which will provide even more insight into the responses, will be released with the full survey results in August. The survey was conducted entirely online, and respondents who said they had attended at least one professional sporting event in the previous year were selected to participate.

 
I know you consider JD Power polls gospel but their poll findings on declining viewership being tied to the protests was misleading and had methodology issues which has been well documented. And an online voluntary poll is by nature of dubious validity. From just one article.
I did not claim any of the pollsters were gospel.  What I said was all three pollsters are reliable and unbiased.  Your claim there is no evidence is total bunk.  There is plenty of evidence, you just choose to dismiss it because it does not fit your worldview and instead you resort to your childish tactics.  That is on you and not me.  I proved you wrong.   

 
I did not claim any of the pollsters were gospel.  What I said was all three pollsters are reliable and unbiased.  Your claim there is no evidence is total bunk.  There is plenty of evidence, you just choose to dismiss it because it does not fit your worldview and instead you resort to your childish tactics.  That is on you and not me.  I proved you wrong.   
It. Was. An. Online. Poll.  Do you also think a voluntary online poll like Drudge does is gospel? A JD Power online poll has no more validity. You proved nothing.

 
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It. Was. An. Online. Poll.  Do you also think a voluntary online poll like Drudge does is gospel? A JD Power online poll has no more validity. You proved nothing.
It was three polls.  You keep ignoring facts.   Taken together that is substantial proof by any measure.  

 
It was three polls.  You keep ignoring facts.   Taken together that is substantial proof by any measure.  
The other polls have no more validity than the JD Power voluntary online poll you swear by and think is gospel.

You always have to get in the last word, don't you? I let you have it so as to make your day.

 
The other polls have no more validity than the JD Power voluntary online poll you swear by and think is gospel.

You always have to get in the last word, don't you? I let you have it so as to make your day.
Why do you always lie.  I never said anything was gospel.  You think Senton Hall is in the tank for the NFL?   Three independent unbiased polls, three results which place the primary blame on the protests.   All polls are flawed, but they are still a very good indication of the truth.   

 

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