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.. I somehow doubt he lost his job after 6 carries and an injury just because his backup looked good against the Giants.
Yes, I specifically think that he said I can play through it and they benched him to send a message. It matches all the body language I saw on the sidelines and all the messages coming out of Pittsburgh this week. I might be wrong but I'm just sharing my perspective use it however you'd like.
IMHO, more probable: Conner got his ankle re-taped (sideline reporter noted it in the 1st quarter), generating Tomlin's "How is it?" Conner says he can play through it, but Tomlin sees Snell doing well and decides it's better to protect his bell cow from aggravating his injury unnecessarily.bostonfred said:
I thought Snell looked a lot better then Conner...he ran real hard/with an attitude.Some serious yarn spinning in here - man. Maybe dude just sprained his ankle & Snell was playing well so they ran with him (pun intended).
I’m not sure it was as dramatic as all this. Not like the Giants were really getting anything done most of the game. They hit/stuffed Barkley behind the line 7x, and were consistently harassing Jones. That game wasn’t ever as close as the final score. And the final score wasn’t that close. The only thing that even kept it that close was Roethlisberger shaking off the cobwebs for the 1st half+ of football.
i dunno....the narratives here are all pretty deep/detailed, and none too flattering of Conner. What I saw was that Conner got badly outplayed long before he got hurt. Snell ran with determination, speed, power and vision. Conner displayed literally none of those attributes
Tomlin has since said he could envision a “1A” scenario developing for Snell (That, after talking up Snell’s improvement all camp). That backfield could be an ugly split for Conner owners all year.
Unless of course Conner snaps out of it and runs like his job depends on it. And even that might not be enough at this point.
Those hoping he was benched for playing soft & it magically lights a fire under his butt may be wishfully thinking.
Personally, I think he got outplayed by Snell then sprained his ankle, and the Steelers ran just fine without him. So why run out a dude on a sprained ankle when the backup is giving you more anyway? that seems like football 101.
Just like we saw on the field during the game.
I think one thing that's missing here is that the Steeler offense looked all kinds of discombobulated early on.
I see these as different shades of grey to be honest. We can all agree on some thingsSome serious yarn spinning in here - man. Maybe dude just sprained his ankle & Snell was playing well so they ran with him (pun intended).
I’m not sure it was as dramatic as all this. Not like the Giants were really getting anything done most of the game. They hit/stuffed Barkley behind the line 7x, and were consistently harassing Jones. That game wasn’t ever as close as the final score. And the final score wasn’t that close. The only thing that even kept it that close was Roethlisberger shaking off the cobwebs for the 1st half+ of football.
i dunno....the narratives here are all pretty deep/detailed, and none too flattering of Conner. What I saw was that Conner got badly outplayed long before he got hurt. Snell ran with determination, speed, power and vision. Conner displayed literally none of those attributes
Tomlin has since said he could envision a “1A” scenario developing for Snell (That, after talking up Snell’s improvement all camp). That backfield could be an ugly split for Conner owners all year.
Unless of course Conner snaps out of it and runs like his job depends on it. And even that might not be enough at this point.
Those hoping he was benched for playing soft & it magically lights a fire under his butt may be wishfully thinking.
Personally, I think he got outplayed by Snell then sprained his ankle, and the Steelers ran just fine without him. So why run out a dude on a sprained ankle when the backup is giving you more anyway? that seems like football 101.
Just like we saw on the field during the game.
I understand Snell had a good second half, but not sure why everyone acts like Conner played so poorly. He had merely 6 carries. 6. At that time, Snell had 2 carries for 9 yds. Yet everyone states Snell looked SO much better before Conner left the game. Seriously? From two carries?? At the end of the game, Snell's stats were good, but I also saw a lot more stretch runs and less up the gut into the heart of a decent run defense. I also saw BB putting it together and the NYG secondary having to respect the pass again leading to bigger runs.
biggest takeaway here - I’m in agreement on this 100%, and suspect it’s already the case. Tomlin said, Snell has earned more of a 1a role. That sound like RBBC.
he has in the past. Limited sample for sure but he looked like booty in that game before the ankle. And he’s never played a full season, so maybe the Steelers would be smart to reduce Conner’s workload regardless.
Agree, but there’s a distinct possibility that Snell’s value holds if a true time-share develops.
because he did. He looked SO much better on those 2 carries. And Conner looked SO bad on his touches that it made Snell look that much better on those 2 carries. On the in-game topic I said it after 1 carry.
Conner looked bad. Like, had me wondering if he was a benefit of system/OL when he was successful bad.
Agree and disagree...overall you are dead-on about the small snapshot...on the flipside while it was small he looked bad (and Snell looked good) and he also got hurt and that was a major concern about him going into the season...if he has a good game this week then those six runs go into the rear-view mirror quickly, if he has another dud and Snell runs as well as he did last week Conner could really see a reduced role...last week's injury gave Snell an opening and after his performance I think he's going to get some more opportunities and that really has a chance to ding Conner's value even if he plays well.
Great post although I do believe if Snell has something like a 100 yard performance or a two TD game this week his value will go thru the roof...he is such a tough guy to put a value on right now and as you point out his receiving role is a huge x-factor both short and long term...this is a monster week for both Conner and Snell...will be real interesting to see what it looks like after their game.
What’s tough about this is they’re vs Denver, who lost Bouye to a dislocated shoulder, and who just did a very good job containing Henry, who needed 31 carries to get 100+ yards. I know the box score looks ok, but in-game eye test, Denver was very tough against the run all game.
If Connor goes I’d expect them to draft a RB or bring in a FA. I don’t see a scenario where they make Snell a feature back, but stranger things have happened.
I would expect that as well but if Snell is legit and it's something like a 3rd rounder like Moss or a fourth like a Kelley this year you are adding another real low contract.
Most people are pretty aware of the Steelers success at drafting WR's but I think an underrated part of that success is based on fact they know how to develop them. Their track record of drafting and developing RB's is not as strong but it's not so bad either.
And then we get to McFarland who of course was not active last week and it would seem they are in the process of developing him. I'm not sure they view him as a feature runner, I know I recall Tomlin saying stuff after drafting him as having a specific role in mind, but they sure might view him as a nice compliment to Snell but again we got a whole season to play out before making these predictions.
For sure not the position I'd take, at worst for Conner it's possible Snell earned more work this week but Snell is not 1A yet and don't think he's yet to even turn this into being 1B. Put another way I believe the feature back role this year is still Conner's for the taking, whether or not he's up to it is the question I got but this week I'd ride with him as my RB2 without hesitation.Well, as of now my opponent is still riding with Snell at RB2 & Conner on his bench.
Starting to seriously wonder if he’s gonna stick with that.
Yeah, betting he changes it before tomorrow’s game.
Snell was a bell cow at Kentucky, so he has been durable and a strong runner. The big question is whether he can at least be adequate catching the ball. I have my doubts about that. As a UK fan I enjoyed watching Snell in college, but he may be a sell high right now.
Fair. But I am not necessarily opposed to seeing a 75/25 split. I don't think Conner's body and running style can handle a 90/10 or even 80/20 split over a whole season. I also remember last year a lot of people were hyped up about Samuel's opportunities when Conner got hurt and he did not look good in a larger sample size. (I think Snell is a better 2 down back than Samuel, but similar hype)
Agreed.
Most kickers were pro soccer players, or at least college.
I would take the Jacobs/Metcalf side of the trade 99 times out of 99. I’m definitely not seeing $.70 on the dollar.
I just turned 50. I hurt myself sleeping the other day. Sleeping!
Na, I get itI just turned 50. I hurt myself sleeping the other day. Sleeping!
And I wish I was kidding.
Ah, so you also catch yourself making involuntary groaning noises getting in & out of vehicles?
I’m more worried about the Jeudy part of the trade to be honest. Really didn’t want to trade him, but that was the cost of doing business.
I'm pretty sure I've got to start buying vehicles I've got to step up into, these sedans that are barely off the ground are getting really hard to get out of
For this season sure. But if Jeudy is a top 12 receiver next year, this trade is gonna sting. I’m ok with it though. I’ll worry about next year, next year.
I feel like “if” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this concern.
Correct. I’m going for it this year. If I don’t win some money in that league this year it will most likely be a bad trade. I will sleep well in the meantime though.
