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RB James Conner, ARZ (2 Viewers)
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apalmer
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You're not alone. Roethlisberger told a story on his weekly radio program on Tuesday: Ben's family was, of course, at Sunday's game when the fans were chanting "Conner, Conner!" every time he touched the ball towards the end of the game. When Ben got home, his son (who's about 5 years old?) wanted to play catch. So, "much to the distress" of Ben's wife, they started throwing the football back and forth in the living room. Every time Ben's son caught a pass he (the son) would hold up his arms and chant "Conner, Conner!" To quote Ben: "I guess I know who his favorite Steeler is. I told James, 'Thanks for being a great role model for my son. But, don't let it go to your head.' "
The Finist
Footballguy
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LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Only benched Conner once this year, week 4 against the Ravens. I felt at that time, his workload was a bit low previous week or two and the matchup was horrible. Felt like a huge gamble that happened to pay off. I'm not thinking of benching him this week, despite facing the same opponent. Getting too much volume plus catches to even consider it.
We need to definitely have realistic expectations this week, but I agree, you can’t bench him.
Sooo tempted to go A. Jones or DJ Moore over him, but will not.
Gotta think PIT knows about Big Ben's woes on the road. Pound the rock with Connor.
I'm thinking...conservatively...50-60 yards rushing with a 50% chance at a score and 4 receptions for 28 yards. So a PPR floor of 14. I'll take that.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Conner has earned the right to be in the "always start your studs" category. That is, unless you have a plethora of studs.
BigJonE300
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'm going to keep saying it until it's not true: I don't think Bell plays another down in a Steeler uniform.
There is NO way they mess with what they have right now. The Steelers are getting elite production from the RB position, the locker room is intact, and most importantly, the Steelers are winning.
Anyone know what the nature of his injury was? Head? Other?
I'm assuming this was insignificant. Think there was a sideline moment where Tomlin gave him a hug before he went off prior to the end of the game as if to say, "Good game. We're killing them. Take the rest of the night off."
I'm assuming this was insignificant. Think there was a sideline moment where Tomlin gave him a hug before he went off prior to the end of the game as if to say, "Good game. We're killing them. Take the rest of the night off."
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Did anybody see the hit on Conner that started all the potential "concussion" talk? I didn't see most of the third quarter. I did think Conner looked a bit off on his last run of the night. Just seemed like he did not have his balance and ran awkwardly before getting wrapped up.
VikingFrog
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shoecrew22
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Doug B
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000985988/article/james-conner-suffers-concussion-during-steelers-win
It was reported while the game was going on, or just wrapping up.
Doug B
Footballguy
Yeah, I wonder when the hit actually took place. He did take a high shot at the end of his TD run in the first quarter.
He was out for a couple series in the first half after the TD, when he typically wouldn't be.
Sideline reporter said after the half that tomlin was just giving short week rest, but next thing you know he plays a series, then ends up in the tent.
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sneakerfreak
Footballguy
When I had my concussion, symptoms started 12 hours after the hit. So the answer to that question is I guess so. ?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yes. Swelling can cause more obvious symptoms later on. Without seeing the hit I'm guessing it is a mild concussion. He should be fine next game as he has extra rest time
sportsphysio
Footballguy
Yeah, symptoms can definitely be delayed, which is why part of the game management for hits to the helmet in high school are to pull the player out of the game to allow for monitoring of the player. Symptoms can be delayed for 24 hours, even later in rare occasions.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The Steelers have had multiple shady concussion issues where guys who were obviously concussed kept playing or got cleared to go back in and then diagnosed with a concussion after the game.
I'm surprised the league hasn't smacked them down on this issue yet.
I'm surprised the league hasn't smacked them down on this issue yet.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
You are aware that the call to pull a player out and examine for a concussion comes from an independent MD watching the replays? and once that player is flagged, in order to go back in the game, he has to be cleared by another independent MD on the sidelines doing the exam- not paid by either team. you can see who he is because he is wearing a colored hat, usually yellow I believe
The Steelers have abolsutely zero say and zero ability to put the player back in.
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leftcoastheel
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GroveDiesel
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Interseptopus
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Game was on Thursday... Lots of time to be ready for next week.
Doug B
Footballguy
Might be a "star QB" thing. I've seen Big Ben, Cam Newton, and Kirk Cousins "shake off" almost certain concussions during games.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
No one even considers that the testing being done isnt 100% and can produce false negatives...
In the medical world, a test that has 80% sensitivity or specificity is pretty darn good... and a test that has 80% sensitivity AND specificity is almost unheard of
ETA: for you non medical or statistical people, sensitivity is a tests ability to rule OUT a problem. Specificity is the tests ability to rule IN a problem.
A test that is really good at ruling IN a concussion (high specificity) can have a low sensitivity. So what that means is, if you test negative on that test, it does not mean you likely dont have a concussion.
I'll explain... a test that has 96% specificity and 45% sensitivity with regards to testing for a concussion ... If you test positive it means you have a 96% chance of having a concussion. If you test negative on that same test it means you have a 45% chance of not being concussed.
It's why we see false negatives from sideline testing and it's a major limitation on these basic tests. But, it's the best we got without subjecting these guys to unneccessary massive amounts of radiation
This is the limitation on our medical tests and often why we want to test both to rule things IN and to rule things OUT.
Here is a great study that shows how the SCAT3 has great specificity and not as good sensitivity in university athletes. The SCAT5 is comparable to the SCAT3 statistically. I dont have the time right now to dig up the articles
In the medical world, a test that has 80% sensitivity or specificity is pretty darn good... and a test that has 80% sensitivity AND specificity is almost unheard of
ETA: for you non medical or statistical people, sensitivity is a tests ability to rule OUT a problem. Specificity is the tests ability to rule IN a problem.
A test that is really good at ruling IN a concussion (high specificity) can have a low sensitivity. So what that means is, if you test negative on that test, it does not mean you likely dont have a concussion.
I'll explain... a test that has 96% specificity and 45% sensitivity with regards to testing for a concussion ... If you test positive it means you have a 96% chance of having a concussion. If you test negative on that same test it means you have a 45% chance of not being concussed.
It's why we see false negatives from sideline testing and it's a major limitation on these basic tests. But, it's the best we got without subjecting these guys to unneccessary massive amounts of radiation
This is the limitation on our medical tests and often why we want to test both to rule things IN and to rule things OUT.
Here is a great study that shows how the SCAT3 has great specificity and not as good sensitivity in university athletes. The SCAT5 is comparable to the SCAT3 statistically. I dont have the time right now to dig up the articles
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Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Just in case Connor stays in concussion protocol and Lev Bell is a no show, who's up next on the depth chart? Is anyone else a decent handcuff?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I think Samuels would eventually win out over Ridley. Steelers rely heavily on the RB’s ability to catch as an outlet for Ben... Ridley isn’t and has never been that.
apalmer
Footballguy
Somewhere along the line, the Steelers decided it made sense for Ben to pass on every play instead of running against the #27 rush defense. And, since they were down to their 3rd-string right tackle, that meant keeping Conner in the backfield to help block Von Miller. Brilliant.
That 27th ranking takes into account a couple of absolutely horrid performances by the DEN rush D earlier in the season. They have stiffened up considerably. This was NOT as good a rushing matchup as advertised.
That said, feel like I've seen this movie before with the Steelers. Them getting away from the run, get pass happy, lose. Something tells me this will be corrected.
Conner is no longer a "must start RB1" but he's still going to be tough to sit most weeks due to involvement in the passing game.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Meh, I've been riding the Conner train since week one, but I'm not going to pin use on bad coaching. For whatever reason, Conner has made some key mistakes (pass drops/fumbles) ever since Bell decided to sit out the season. That's going to impact the trust level. Just odd. Hopefully he gets his head on straight for the stretch run.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
Am I missing something or was that the worst play calling ever at the end of that game. Two minutes to go, first and goal from the two yard line, need a TD to tie, and they throw the ball and stop the clock? Then they run. Then they throw again?
How do you not run the ball on all three downs to kill clock if you don't make it? I just don't understand it.
#frustratedConnerOwner
How do you not run the ball on all three downs to kill clock if you don't make it? I just don't understand it.
#frustratedConnerOwner
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I don’t think I need to win in the leagues I’m doing this but I’m going with Ekeler over Conner this week. I’d like to see the Steelers recommit to getting him the same kind of volume as earlier in the season.
http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/29442/despite-fumble-steelers-will-need-more-james-conner-down-stretch
LAC are very good vs WRs and QBs, mediocre against RBs. Gotta think things correct this week.
I have a Chubb vs Conner decision and going Conner. HOU run D is impossible.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
I need to pick two from DJ, Conner and Chubb. Was leaning DJ and Chubb until I see the correction for Conner but it's tough, don't think any of them have "great" match-ups. One thing i'm sick of though with regards to Johnson specifically, is Arizona's stupid play-calling, Rosen's dumb ints and them being down 31-7 mid-game almost every week.
For this week, I think Steelers know LAC offensively can hang with most teams so they *may* try to control the clock instead of throwing every down like the past 3 games. You would honestly think they might have learned by now...
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It's a tough choice for sure.
What I don't like about Conner's situation (lack of commitment to the run at times) is what I love about Chubb's situation (commitment to the run). CLE pounds the rock even when Chubb is getting stuffed. His statline always looks horrible midway through the game. Then he busts one for 25.
All things being equal, I'd have to go Conner. And I think there's a decent chance it's more "equal" this week in terms of touches.
