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On 12/3/2018 at 12:13 PM, CalBear said:

He will get claimed. The team claiming him will say "we're very concerned about the incident and will have a deep conversation with Hunt about our expectations for his behavior and what punishment is appropriate." Or some BS like that. Code for "he's a good cheap player and as long as no other video shows up we're good."

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We fully understand and respect the complexity of questions and issues in signing a player with Kareem’s history and do not condone his actions. Given what we know about Kareem through our extensive research, we believe he deserves a second chance but certainly with the understanding that he has to go through critical and essential steps to become a performing member of this organization, aside from what the NFL determines from their ongoing investigation. We fully understand that Kareem is subject to discipline by the NFL. Here at the Browns, there is a detailed plan with expectations laid out that he understands and must follow, because any similar incident will not be tolerated. We will support Kareem through this process and utilize our resources, however permitted, to help him become successful on and off the field as long as he continues to show the commitment necessary to represent this organization.

I shoulda been in PR. It still means "he's a good cheap player so we're signing him as long as he can keep his nose clean."

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Joe Bryant

Drop 100% of the non-football talk and trying to defend any actions justifying violence against women. Full stop. 

Ilov80s

The reason Hunt is going before Ware:  1. When people were taking Ware, they knew that there was a 3rd round rookie RB who had been getting 1st team reps lurking behind him. Now that Ware is out

Man In The Box

It might be time to take a little break from the internet. 

MAC_32

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34 minutes ago, Casting Couch said:

RBBC : Hunt / Chubb

50/50 share ?

No.

80/20 Chubb/Duke, unless another back is brought in and Duke is shipped out.

Re-assess based on performance if Hunt gets near the end of his suspension without another issue.  If it's going well then Hunt's not just going to be handed a big piece of pie.

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5 minutes ago, CalBear said:

I shoulda been in PR. It still means "he's a good cheap player so we're signing him as long as he can keep his nose clean."

The 10th Circle of Hell is reserved for people who work in PR.

(For those counting at home, the 8th Circle is telemarketers and the 9th Circle is lobbyists.

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18 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

They're not facts.  They're bad assumptions.  Below are the facts:

QB - Mayfield (draft), Taylor (trade), Stanton ($4.15 mil gtd)

RB - Chubb (draft), Duke (draft), and Hunt (scrap heap)

WR - Landry (trade + extend), Higgins (draft), Callaway (draft), Ratley (draft), Perriman (scrap heap)

TE - Njoku (draft), Fells ($4.65 mil gtd)

OT - Hubbard (9 mil gtd), Robinson (scrap heap), Harrison (udfa)

OG - Zeitler ($23 mil gtd), Bitonio (draft), Corbett (draft)

C - Tretter (6.5 mil gtd)

DE - Garrett (draft), Ogbah (draft), Smith ($4.5 mil gtd), Thomas, (draft), Zetter (scrap heap)

DT - Ogunjobi (draft), Coley (udfa)

LB - Schobert (draft), Kirksey (draft), Collins (trade + extend), Avery (draft)

CB - Ward (draft), Carrie ($10 mil gtd), Mitchell ($3.5 mil gtd), Gaines ($1.4 mil gtd)

S - Randall (trade), Peppers (draft), Kindred (draft), BBC (scrap heap)

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2016 money > $3 mil (just picked a reasonable #) - Tramon Williams + Demario Davis (they fit your criteria but I'd argue they weren't overpay's - they were positive contributors at positions void of a starter), RG3 (he doesn't fit because Hue), McCown (was already here)

2017 - Brock (but actually Chubb), Haden (already here), Britt (facepalm) - but would have been used to extend Pryor if he weren't an idiot

2018 - nobody

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So in 4 years you can easily point to one player that fits your criteria - Britt - and he wasn't even what the team wanted to.  Flimsily point to two - because Brock wasn't about Brock, it was about what turned into Chubb.  And...really can't make a strong argument for anyone else.

The facts are this team was ripped down to the studs and was rebuilt via acquiring draft capital, taking shots on cheap young talent, and (for the most part) unproven but young(ish) free agents who would accept modest contracts the team could get out of easily.  The team was either 1st or 2nd in cap space in each of the last 3 years.  The only free agents that received > $10 mil gtd were Zeitler, Brock, and Britt.  And if you wiggle to $10.5 then it's only Zeitler and Brock.  And again, Brock wasn't brought here to QB - he was brought here to acquire a pick for when this team would be good.  And he wasn't a free agent anyway.  All of this is why this team has so much cap space now along with extra draft picks (again), despite already having a capable starting lineup.

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Yeah you are missing the point.

Obviously rookie contracts are inexpensive and the Browns have a lot of cap space, more cap space than they are allowed to have without being penalized. They have to spend the money some where.

Your list of players is incomplete and does not include the player that was being talked about Carlos Hyde. Obviously there are others such as Jamie Collins and Tyrod Taylor as highly paid players by the Browns recently.

As far as overspending in free agency, every team does that, it is just the economics of the NFL with a yearly rising salary cap. 

I never was trying to say that the Browns have overspent or anything, just that them signing Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson to decently sized contracts for a RB was part of filling that gap in the salary cap which is what they did.

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1 minute ago, Biabreakable said:

Yeah you are missing the point.

Obviously rookie contracts are inexpensive and the Browns have a lot of cap space, more cap space than they are allowed to have without being penalized. They have to spend the money some where.

Your list of players is incomplete and does not include the player that was being talked about Carlos Hyde. Obviously there are others such as Jamie Collins and Tyrod Taylor as highly paid players by the Browns recently.

As far as overspending in free agency, every team does that, it is just the economics of the NFL with a yearly rising salary cap. 

I never was trying to say that the Browns have overspent or anything, just that them signing Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson to decently sized contracts for a RB was part of filling that gap in the salary cap which is what they did.

Because he wasn't paid much money.  I only accounted for free agents that commanded meaningful money.  And there's a good argument that some of those cited didn't actually command meaningful money.  This team's been intentionally not paying free agents to maximize spending ability once competitive.  And now we're there.

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4 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

Because he wasn't paid much money.  I only accounted for free agents that commanded meaningful money.  And there's a good argument that some of those cited didn't actually command meaningful money.  This team's been intentionally not paying free agents to maximize spending ability once competitive.  And now we're there.

Tons of cash for the Browns to spend this year.

I am surprised there are teams such as the Colts who have even more cap space right now.

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NFL suspended Browns RB Kareem Hunt eight games for violating the league's personal-conduct policy.

Hunt's ban was expected to be for at least six games, so this falls in line with that. The Browns shouldn't be surprised here. For the first half of the season, Nick Chubb will be Cleveland's workhorse. Hunt will not appeal the ban after being caught on video beating up a woman at a hotel. The Browns will welcome Hunt back with open arms as long as he doesn't have anymore slip-ups. NFL teams will always bet on talent no matter how harsh the crime committed.

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On 5/20/2019 at 1:57 PM, Shawnky said:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 

Of course he does......

 

Geez. The kid had a miserable childhood, being raised in a family whose males’ typical resume was more police blotter than work history.  His father was arrested 35 times, including multiple DVs.

Yeah, he pushed and then kicked - actually more tipping over with his foot than kicking - that girl, but several witnesses have stated she was throwing the N word at Hunt and others after she was kicked out and also allegedly spit in Hunt’s face.  But he’s still owning his actions as something he should not have done, and has shown genuine remorse for his actions. 

He’s appears to be doing a lot of things to change himself into a better person and break a cycle of criminal behavior and violence that is rife in his family, and you react this way?  Seriously, what is wrong with you?

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3 hours ago, Bronco Billy said:

 

Geez. The kid had a miserable childhood, being raised in a family whose males’ typical resume was more police blotter than work history.  His father was arrested 35 times, including multiple DVs.

Yeah, he pushed and then kicked - actually more tipping over with his foot than kicking - that girl, but several witnesses have stated she was throwing the N word at Hunt and others after she was kicked out and also allegedly spit in Hunt’s face.  But he’s still owning his actions as something he should not have done, and has shown genuine remorse for his actions. 

He’s appears to be doing a lot of things to change himself into a better person and break a cycle of criminal behavior and violence that is rife in his family, and you react this way?  Seriously, what is wrong with you?

Nothing is wrong with me.  I'm just aware that every time an athlete or celebrity does something wrong, they run to Jesus.  It's typical.  Nice double standard you're presenting.  I can't be judgmental of him, but you can be judgmental of me.

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32 minutes ago, Shawnky said:

Nothing is wrong with me.  I'm just aware that every time an athlete or celebrity does something wrong, they run to Jesus.  It's typical.  Nice double standard you're presenting.  I can't be judgmental of him, but you can be judgmental of me.

 

Hell yes.  You invited it. 

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On 6/7/2019 at 7:32 AM, Bronco Billy said:

 

Geez. The kid had a miserable childhood, being raised in a family whose males’ typical resume was more police blotter than work history.  His father was arrested 35 times, including multiple DVs.

Yeah, he pushed and then kicked - actually more tipping over with his foot than kicking - that girl, but several witnesses have stated she was throwing the N word at Hunt and others after she was kicked out and also allegedly spit in Hunt’s face.  But he’s still owning his actions as something he should not have done, and has shown genuine remorse for his actions. 

He’s appears to be doing a lot of things to change himself into a better person and break a cycle of criminal behavior and violence that is rife in his family, and you react this way?  Seriously, what is wrong with you?

100% agree

hope Hunt exceeds all expectations and lives an amazing Godly life from here on out

 

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  I can't be judgmental of him, but you can be judgmental of me.

if you're trying to Judge Hunt, then you SHOULD expect people to judge you, shouldn't you ?

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23 hours ago, Shawnky said:

Nothing is wrong with me.  I'm just aware that every time an athlete or celebrity does something wrong, they run to Jesus.  It's typical.  Nice double standard you're presenting.  I can't be judgmental of him, but you can be judgmental of me. 

Wait, you're complaining about double standards?  You just judged Hunt but others can't judge you?  Irony much?

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1 hour ago, McBokonon said:

Rumors swirling around the Twitterverse that he was involved in a bar fight last night...nothing concrete, obviously, but worth monitoring until it's confirmed either way.

If true then he is a special kind of stupid.

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 @SorenPetro

 

There is a lot of chatter on twitter in Cleveland about the possibility of Kareem Hunt having been involved in a bar fight this weekend. As of right now we know of no police report. We’ve reached out to people in Cleveland and will let you know if there is anything to the rumors.

 

https://twitter.com/SorenPetro/status/1145689476674609152

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5 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

I know I'm jumping the gun here but if true, the NFL won't be happy, and Chubbcs value will sky rocket.

Wasn't aware Chubb's value had gone down (much) due to Hunt.  Hunt is on a one year deal, and won't be in a game till week 10 before this news. 

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Hunt is a tough pick in redraft since he won't see the field until week 10.  First weeks of WW activity can be pretty important and having him clog up a roster spot for 9 weeks with no action and then not really knowing what his role will be and what the Browns will look like by week 10 is kind of a mystery.  I guess people are expecting him to be a game changer for the last 7 weeks (since most leagues end week 16).  Huge roster leagues, maybe. 

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doesn't sound like much of anything

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Hunt was not arrested and Cleveland police spokeswoman Sgt. Jennifer Ciaccia said no police report, body camera video or other documentation exists related to any incident involving Hunt.

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/07/kareem-hunt-questioned-by-cleveland-police-outside-downtown-cleveland-bar-tmz-video-shows.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=cleve_sf&utm_medium=social&__twit

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38 minutes ago, cobalt_27 said:

Chubb's ADP should have never had anything to do with Hunt in the first place.

It certainly should.  With a backup as good as Hunt, they can afford to rest Chubb for longer periods of time as the season nears playoff time.  The worse the backup, the more you need to rely on your starter.

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9 hours ago, TheWinz said:

It certainly should.  With a backup as good as Hunt, they can afford to rest Chubb for longer periods of time as the season nears playoff time.  The worse the backup, the more you need to rely on your starter.

That’s an interesting theory that I imagine has minimal empirical, historical support.

If Browns are strolling into the playoffs, Chubb will get some rest the final game, regardless of whether it’s me or Hunt at backup.

In the more likely scenario where the Browns are fighting for a playoff spot or higher seed, the best players will see the field as usual.

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So, the morning after TMZ has the video of police talking to Kareem, but he was not detained, charged and no report was even filed.  Sounds like it was blown out of proportion.  Will it have an impact on his suspension?  Possible since it was at a "possible bar fight" and he has alcohol & anger management issues. 

https://www.tmz.com/2019/07/01/kareem-hunt-police-officers-video-cleveland/

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