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Yeah but 2020 not so muchI believe more than the Browns will give him a shot. Especially with him staying clean in 2019.
Yeah but 2020 not so muchI believe more than the Browns will give him a shot. Especially with him staying clean in 2019.
In my 10 Team, PPR, I offered my 2021 1st for Hunt and was rejected. My first is most likely projected to be the 1.08 to 1.10.I have him and it'd be hard to pry him away from me. I doubt anyone gives up a first. And I don't think a second would do it for me.
The issue is he's got two paths to stardom (again). Starting job in the future if he leaves Cleveland, and starting job this year if Chubb goes down.In my 10 Team, PPR, I offered my 2021 1st for Hunt and was rejected. My first is most likely projected to be the 1.08 to 1.10.
It is "punishment" for him doing bad things. He deserved to be punished. I also don't think when you do things against the law (assault) that you are being "blackballed". He deserves to need to prove he has turned around his life and as a free agent he has choices to make on how he wants to prove he has turned things around. Maybe not having the pressure of a starting opportunity is what he needs to stay on the straight and narrow. There are many factors involved that those of us on the outside have no idea about.It's a damn shame that he's on Cleveland as a backup. I think it's for the best though. Guy was close to being blackballed.
But he's got the talent and should something happen to Chubb, he can be a Top 5 back. I feel like him going somewhere not to be featured is somewhat of a "punishment".
Interesting case of another player stuck in purgatory.
https://twitter.com/pff_jarad/status/1293670396374462464?s=21Jarad Evans @PFF_Jarad
Kareem Hunt last season
- 75 touches
- 32 missed tackles forced
His 43% rate of missed tackles forced was the highest in the entire NFL
I don't think it's sky rocketed. I think it's been there for a bit as far as I'm concerned. I have him and was offered second round pick numerous times about a month or two ago and that's not really close for me knowing his role this year and that he could potentially land a starting gig next year. Point being, it would take a lot for me to give up Hunt.Has Hunt's value skyrocketed recently or something? Dynasty PPR owner of him wanted my AR15 for Hunt + 2nd round pick.
I offered a first for Hunt and Pollard (I have Zeke) and was spurned a few months back. This is nothing new. The one would have been a mid-first, likely. Astute people are aware he's a UFA after the year and it's pumping up his value.hispeedthinmint said:Has Hunt's value skyrocketed recently or something? Dynasty PPR owner of him wanted my AR15 for Hunt + 2nd round pick.
What? Why would this be? Terrible for Hunt owners.Over $8 million guaranteed money. Has to be a good thing for Hunt owners and a "not so good" thing for Chubb owners.
Not sure if you are being facetious. He was set to walk after this season. The Browns have now agreed to pay him $13.25 million, with $8 million guaranteed. That is NOT the type of money you give to a "back-up" who you don't plan to make significant use out of. Respectfully, I am not sure how you could see this any other way as a positive for Hunt owners and a negative for Chubb owners.What? Why would this be? Terrible for Hunt owners.
As someone who owns both, it's a negative.Not sure if you are being facetious. He was set to walk after this season. The Browns have now agreed to pay him $13.25 million, with $8 million guaranteed. That is NOT the type of money you give to a "back-up" who you don't plan to make significant use out of. Respectfully, I am not sure how you could see this any other way as a positive for Hunt owners and a negative for Chubb owners.
Hunt owners wanted him to walk after this season, straight into a situation where he'd be the clear RB1 and dominate the touches, rather than splitting them with another great RB.Not sure if you are being facetious. He was set to walk after this season. The Browns have now agreed to pay him $13.25 million, with $8 million guaranteed. That is NOT the type of money you give to a "back-up" who you don't plan to make significant use out of. Respectfully, I am not sure how you could see this any other way as a positive for Hunt owners and a negative for Chubb owners.
I suppose in the long-term dynasty perspective, but in the short term, redraft 2020 perspective, I still think it is a good thing for Hunt owners.Hunt owners wanted him to walk after this season, straight into a situation where he'd be the clear RB1 and dominate the touches, rather than splitting them with another great RB.
with Stefanski at the helm this year, you have to think Hunt is an every-week flexI suppose in the long-term dynasty perspective, but in the short term, redraft 2020 perspective, I still think it is a good thing for Hunt owners.
Sure, this solidifies a role with the Browns, but it’s not remotely going to be close to a bell cow role with Chubb in the picture. And Chubb is going nowhere.Keith1 said:Not sure if you are being facetious. He was set to walk after this season. The Browns have now agreed to pay him $13.25 million, with $8 million guaranteed. That is NOT the type of money you give to a "back-up" who you don't plan to make significant use out of. Respectfully, I am not sure how you could see this any other way as a positive for Hunt owners and a negative for Chubb owners.
I don't think there's any impact at all for redraft 2020.Keith1 said:I suppose in the long-term dynasty perspective, but in the short term, redraft 2020 perspective, I still think it is a good thing for Hunt owners.
Browns signed Kareem Hunt to a two-year, $13.25 million contract extension.
The deal includes $8.5 million guaranteed. Currently set to make $3.26 million on a one-year tender in 2020, Hunt's annual salary will double that mark and keep him locked up in Cleveland through his age-27 season. Hunt averaged 5.5 targets per game upon joining the Browns in Week 10 last year and projects for a similar role behind Nick Chubb this season. He's a top-of-the-line RB3 with a direct path to week-winning production if Chubb goes down.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Sep 8, 2020, 1:10 PM ET
Slightly worse IMO, now Hunt's not playing to try to land a starting contract next year.I don't think there's any impact at all for redraft 2020.
I think it’s going to nose dive a little now in dynasty. No way I’m giving a 2021 1st rounder today for him. I tried a few times to pry him away from the Hunt owner with that offer plus a little more and got rejected. Now, after today’s news, the most I would offer is a 2021 2nd rounder for him.Has Hunt's value skyrocketed recently or something? Dynasty PPR owner of him wanted my AR15 for Hunt + 2nd round pick.
Given the whiplash he’s caused his own career so far and only being on a rookie contract till now, I’m not surprised he took the decent guaranteed money of over $8M. He hasn’t made real money yet, it would be a serious gamble to hope to be one of the few coveted FA RB’s that get more guaranteed dollars than that. Now he’s taken care of and he can hit the market again in two years at still a prime age for RB’s if he performs. Imagine if he tears something this year and then was a FA who still never cashed in with decent guaranteed money? Better to take the $8M guaranteed + salary now with a coaching staff who likes him, who knows him, and keep his future FA legs fresh splitting with Chubb.As a Hunt dynasty owner not too thrilled about this. I wonder why Hunt would agree to this? Seems like he’s giving up opportunity for much bigger contract
Isn't Hunt a Cleveland native? Sacrifice a little money, to play for your hometown, and perhaps childhood favorite team, is something I think many might do.As a Hunt dynasty owner not too thrilled about this. I wonder why Hunt would agree to this? Seems like he’s giving up opportunity for much bigger contract
I kinda of think he’s giving the Browns a potential discount because the Browns were the only team willing to take a chance on him.As a Hunt dynasty owner not too thrilled about this. I wonder why Hunt would agree to this? Seems like he’s giving up opportunity for much bigger contract
Of course there is a chance but it’s very unlikely unless Chubb just underperforms.Any chance the Browns are planning on letting Chubb walk after 2021? Rather than paying him 14-15 mill a year.
Can't see him getting $15M per year unless the cap skyrockets. Only McCaffrey and Elliott are making that right now, and he's not in their class.Any chance the Browns are planning on letting Chubb walk after 2021? Rather than paying him 14-15 mill a year.
Talent wise I think he is in their class. He is just not utilized the way they are in their situations. I think if Chubb was in Dallas he would be just as good if not better than Zeke.Can't see him getting $15M per year unless the cap skyrockets. Only McCaffrey and Elliott are making that right now, and he's not in their class.
This does somewhat reinforce my belief that the Browns will be the run heaviest team in the NFL this year.
Based on what?Talent wise I think he is in their class. He is just not utilized the way they are in their situations. I think if Chubb was in Dallas he would be just as good if not better than Zeke.
Watching them play. Chubb is very underrated mostly because he is in Cleveland and the mess that team has been.Based on what?
Most of us play dynasty, and in that regard it's bad bad bad for Hunt owners that were sitting on him speculatively awaiting his chance to get a starting gig as soon as next year. That plan is now in the tank.Keith1 said:Not sure if you are being facetious. He was set to walk after this season. The Browns have now agreed to pay him $13.25 million, with $8 million guaranteed. That is NOT the type of money you give to a "back-up" who you don't plan to make significant use out of. Respectfully, I am not sure how you could see this any other way as a positive for Hunt owners and a negative for Chubb owners.
That's a bad comment because this is a very good thing for the Browns. They got a very talented player at a very discounted rate. He'll have plenty of chances to get touches, he's a tremendous handcuff in case of an injury to Chubb, he gives them leverage in Chubb's contract negotiations, heck his trade value just skyrocketed to other teams too - so many good things come out of this for the Browns.IHEARTFF said:browns gonna brown
Not to nitpick, but I think Chubb is quite a bit better than Elliott. Since becoming a starter, he's had as many yards on fewer carries with a far worse supporting cast.Can't see him getting $15M per year unless the cap skyrockets. Only McCaffrey and Elliott are making that right now, and he's not in their class.
Chubb is a much better pass blocker than Zeke. Its not even close. Chubb is one of the best in the NFL, where as Zeke is merely decent. I'd also argue Zeke and Chubb are about equal as pass catchers. Zeke is used more often, but that is because of Hunt. Hunt is arguably the best pass blocking RB in the NFL, and is in the upper echelon of pass catchers.I think he’s better than Zeke as a runner. But Zeke is elite in pass pro and a plus receiver. CMC is a different animal with his elite receiving skills. I think he’s better than Mixon who just got 12 mill.
I wasn’t counting on Hunt getting a full time gig in the off-season. Maybe I am in the minority. I see this as a slight positive for Hunt and a major negative for Chubb. I believe there were more Chubb owners hoping for Hunt to move on than Hunt owners hoping for the same.Most of us play dynasty, and in that regard it's bad bad bad for Hunt owners that were sitting on him speculatively awaiting his chance to get a starting gig as soon as next year. That plan is now in the tank.
That's a bad comment because this is a very good thing for the Browns. They got a very talented player at a very discounted rate. He'll have plenty of chances to get touches, he's a tremendous handcuff in case of an injury to Chubb, he gives them leverage in Chubb's contract negotiations, heck his trade value just skyrocketed to other teams too - so many good things come out of this for the Browns.
I don’t think Chubb is considered a better pass blocker than Zeke who was lauded as one of the best coming out and I don’t think he’s done anything to tarnish that. I’d take Zeke as a more versatile receiver as well. At this point. I’d love Chubb to get there.Chubb is a much better pass blocker than Zeke. Its not even close. Chubb is one of the best in the NFL, where as Zeke is merely decent. I'd also argue Zeke and Chubb are about equal as pass catchers. Zeke is used more often, but that is because of Hunt. Hunt is arguably the best pass blocking RB in the NFL, and is in the upper echelon of pass catchers.
The Browns arguably have 2 of the top-5 RB's in the NFL, at the very least 2 of the top dozen, depending on how much of Hunt's work you want to credit to the Chiefs offense.
I will agree that Chubb, Zeke, and Hunt are all better than Mixon. To me, that Mixon deal was a little bit like if the Chargers had given into Gordon's demands last year.