I wouldn't be surprised if he was around 700-800 yds but anywhere from 6-12 TD's. Titans have utilized TE's in the redzone quite a bit but have spread it around. That damn Firkser causes problems. If Smith gets the looks I could easily seem him with double digit TD's.
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TE Jonnu Smith, Miami (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
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I think that number is a good number. Somewhere between 5-7 targets on average. Maybe about 100 on the year.
JohnnyU
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Don't forget Corey Davis still plays football too.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
His floor is what it has been for three seasons which is the ability to not trust him for steady points and give you a horrible week...he is worth rostering right now because there is opportunity but under no circumstances would I want to go into this season with him as my starter, way too much downside for that...it's year 4 so excuse time is over, either become a top 10 TE you can count on or become waiver wire material...I longer want to here about potential, I want to see actual production.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah I am not buying the idea that Smith is going to get more targets than Corey Davis.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah like 75 targets each for a median projection with Brown at 95 or 100 would be my guess.
Smith and Walkers targets were around 75 combined.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I don't see why not.Biabreakable said:
Evans might take some of the short game, but until either Henry learns to be a better receiver or the staff figures out that he can be more involved, Smith is their best short - middle range target.
5-7 targets a game is sufficient imo
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Biabreakable
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Because the Titans wont throw the ball enough for Smith to reach those numbers. Thats why not.
5-7 targets per game would be 80 to 112 targets over 16 games.
Total passing attempts for the Titans the last 3 seasons has been 448 437 and 496 the last 3 seasons. This averages out to 460 attempts.
80 targets would be 17% pf the total, thats reasonable, 112 would be 24% of the total. That is way too high. Split the difference at 96 would be almost 21% of the total, still too high.
Yates has the Titans somehow throwing the ball 550 times for his very very optimistic projection for Smith. The reason given is that they can't possibly throw the ball so few times as they have over the last 3 seasons.
It seems to me that this is their plan and they have been sticking to it for 3 years in a row now. So why would they all of a sudden throw more than 500 times? What they have been doing has been successful. They are a playoff contender.
Fading Corey Davis because of Jonnu Smith seems really off to me. I will say again, I think Davis gets more targets than Smith does in 2020. I expect Brown to lead the team in targets. That makes Smith 3rd in that pecking order, and barring injuries that is what I expect we will see from the Titans this season.
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Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Sadky this might be the case.i expect to see an empty stadium. Including on the field.
This could be an answer to any and all speculations this year. Should we just throw up our hands and not try then?
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Still not garnering much trade value, even with the added opportunity. Perhaps that will change after this season.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I just moved him in a best ball dynasty that is (hopefully) set to disband after this 2020 jackpot season. It's a jacked up format but the trade was:
Jonnu and my 10.16 for Irv Jr and 4.02
There are 16 teams and 2 copies of each player. Started with 24 team but each year bottom 2 are kicked out and their rosters dumped into the FA pool. 4.02 is waaaaaaaay better than you might realize here. I expect Jefferson/Pittman/Hurst/Herndon/Jarwin to be available there. As an example.
Jonnu and my 10.16 for Irv Jr and 4.02
There are 16 teams and 2 copies of each player. Started with 24 team but each year bottom 2 are kicked out and their rosters dumped into the FA pool. 4.02 is waaaaaaaay better than you might realize here. I expect Jefferson/Pittman/Hurst/Herndon/Jarwin to be available there. As an example.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
While there is obvious upside there I don't see Smith having much trade value...the reason is he has probably already been owned and cut by 50% of the owners in the league...outside of being a throw-in or getting something like a third rounder (at best) I don't see anyone stepping up with anything of substance (and I see why)...if you own just ride it out for the first 4 or 5 games and if he doesn't produce then you can officially throw him to the fantasy scrape-heap and use his roster spot for someone else that will drive you crazy...this year is make or break for him, no more excuses.
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Milkman
Footballguy
Owner is offering me Smith plus a 2nd round pick for Chase Edmonds. I like him but they never use him.
Boston
Footballguy
Interesting deal...who are your current TE's (you are getting Smith and the 2...right?)?
Milkman
Footballguy
I own Kittle/Goedert/Jarwin currently. I'm not super confident Goedert can repeat what he did last year (a lot of players were hurt last year in philly) and Jarwin is a big question mark at the moment.
Boston
Footballguy
If you don't own Drake then the deal makes sense...you get the dice roll with Smith as well as a #2 which you should be able to at least get another Edmondesque-level player or maybe you really hit on it...or you have a pretty nice asset that could put you over the top for another deal.
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I didn't like this.
Reporters can't say what's happening but it seemed pretty obvious by the WR quotes that they were working toward the 3 WR set that they claimed to be last year. Why do you have to be creative to find your starting TE touches?
I'd have enjoyed the quote last year but this year....it makes me hmmm
Faust
MVP
I haven't read anything to get all excited about.
They might run their big offense more but he's lined out wide blocking then. At FB, he might get a few more carries. I'd have rather read that he's no longer playing FB.
I'd draft him before that group of meh tight ends (8th? 10th?) but ...it's just not exciting.
They might run their big offense more but he's lined out wide blocking then. At FB, he might get a few more carries. I'd have rather read that he's no longer playing FB.
I'd draft him before that group of meh tight ends (8th? 10th?) but ...it's just not exciting.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I took him at 8.08 in an FPC draft a couple weeks ago. That is TE premium. It was one of the few panicky picks I've made in drafts. I didn't have a good backup plan there and just got sniped (wanted Hurst). I like Smith there as my first TE taken but I intend to start Herndon who I took in the 10th.
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Ya gotta understand Delanie was injured two years ago and had a phantom injury last year. Jonnu has been getting starting TE1 reps for a huge chunk of the last two seasons. Everyone is acting like this was a torch passed and he is a new starter.
Reports are he's still playing FB in spots over Blasingame and Firkser has way too many highlight catches mentioned. It 100 percent reads like last year so why is everyone jumping to some big increase in stats? I guess I could buy into some small increase in rushing stats.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Sorry. My interpretation was you thought Smith was solid for a TE8-10 finish, but that didn't get you excited. Just pointing out that I could get very excited about that type of production at his current draft price.
As far as a "huge jump in stats," even Delanie Walker didn't start producing until his 8th or 9th year. Takes time for most TE's to develop. Agree that Jonnu got a bunch of TE1 reps last year, but most of them coincided with the dominance of Henry. Plus Tannehill was new and maybe they hadn't yet developed chemistry. Who knows.
In any event, I'm looking it at the situation fresh. 1) Traditional reliance on TE by Titans + 2) complete removal of Walker + 3) reasonably full offseason with coaches and Tannehill + 4) massive and continually developing raw talent + 5) low-end alternative WR options + 6) Titans' D potentially taking a step or two backward leading to more Titans O passing (I read your thoughtful posts in the IDP thread and you make some good arguments).
65-750 receiving, 50-100 yds rushing, 6 TD's and a Top 10 TE finish for Jonnu is very, very doable IMO.
