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8 minutes ago, snogger said:

hard to do when Netflix only gives them 10 episodes per season..

Most shows have 16 or more per season so writers here need to cram as much as they can, which can at times cost character development. :mellow: 

:no:   8-10 episodes per season seems to be the norm for most of the shows I watch.  Think we got 16 for the last season of Breaking Bad but that really was two seasons (5a and 5b) much like Game of Thrones.  

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53 minutes ago, Capella said:

I would never watch a show with a 16 episode season again. Way too many episodes. 

Interesting.. For shows like BB, Ozark, Saul, Fargo I'd very much want 16.. That is 4 a month.. Start in October, take December off as Mid season break, then finish up January and February.. :thumbup:

Then again, I live in the Great White North where, other then Cross country Skiing, I tend to hunker down and wait for warm weather to return. 

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49 minutes ago, Cjw_55106 said:

So 10 episodes a season for five years is fine but 16 for three years is too much?

My line is no tv show should have more than 60 episodes. If I see a show on Netflix or whatever with 96 episodes there’s no chance I start. They don’t have that much story. 
 

And mad men is a top-3 show for me and went to 90. But that’s an extraordinary show. 

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My line is no tv show should have more than 60 episodes. If I see a show on Netflix or whatever with 96 episodes there’s no chance I start. They don’t have that much story. 

Yeah, neither of my examples is more than 60. 

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33 minutes ago, Capella said:

My line is no tv show should have more than 60 episodes. If I see a show on Netflix or whatever with 96 episodes there’s no chance I start. They don’t have that much story. 
 

And mad men is a top-3 show for me and went to 90. But that’s an extraordinary show. 

Meh a half hour sitcom could easily bang out more than 60

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I have only the last episode to go but I'm jumping in here without reading any thoughts on the season up to this point. I'm curious if anyone else was like me in really enjoying this season a ton until virtually everything else stopped for all the attention to focus on the brother and how much he ####ed everything up. Such an odd choice and out of nowhere  

The final third of the season has barely had anything to do with money laundering, the FBI investigation and trying to one up them, the KC mob fallout, or the cartel besides Navarro wanting to kill Ben. I think Ben got way more screen time than Marty in episodes 8 and 9. 

Just wanted to get my thoughts down to see if the finale could sway me. 

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18 hours ago, Major said:

Meh, I had trouble getting through Season 2 and 3 even during this quarantine.  Just didn't buy most of the plot points.  Everything just seemed way too convenient and rushed.  Writers need to slow it down and develop characters so the story is believable.

On another note, I really wished Jonah would have blasted that lawye

r c*nt   He's the only character I like on the show and would've made for an interesting character arc in Season 4.

I really, really like the show, and find it entertaining, but I'm conflicted on how good it really is. Likely, because of what you mention here.

Character development is a problem. I look at Ruth and her relationship with Marty. Ruth is an entertaining character. I like her and root for her. But I don't really get why she does what she does. Certainly don't get her loyalty to Marty (while it lasted). And certainly there's a balance they could've struck between "brash and DGAF" and "completely stupid" (her and Frank Jr. this season for example).  

I agree some things just feel rushed and  too convenient. 

It has so many elements of truly great shows, and is highly entertaining. But just doesn't quite hit the mark. I think the nit-picking is a compliment. If there weren't those elements and times when they are hitting the marks of an all-time drama, there'd be no need to nit-pick. 

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9 hours ago, RUSF18 said:

I have only the last episode to go but I'm jumping in here without reading any thoughts on the season up to this point. I'm curious if anyone else was like me in really enjoying this season a ton until virtually everything else stopped for all the attention to focus on the brother and how much he ####ed everything up. Such an odd choice and out of nowhere  

The final third of the season has barely had anything to do with money laundering, the FBI investigation and trying to one up them, the KC mob fallout, or the cartel besides Navarro wanting to kill Ben. I think Ben got way more screen time than Marty in episodes 8 and 9. 

Just wanted to get my thoughts down to see if the finale could sway me. 

Not to be completely contrarian, but I think Ben's story arc has been one of the most fascinating, by far.  The finale will show you that the story is going to line up more with what you're expecting, but I loved episodes 7-9 this season.

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58 minutes ago, pollardsvision said:

I really, really like the show, and find it entertaining, but I'm conflicted on how good it really is. Likely, because of what you mention here.

Character development is a problem. I look at Ruth and her relationship with Marty. Ruth is an entertaining character. I like her and root for her. But I don't really get why she does what she does. Certainly don't get her loyalty to Marty (while it lasted). And certainly there's a balance they could've struck between "brash and DGAF" and "completely stupid" (her and Frank Jr. this season for example).  

I agree some things just feel rushed and  too convenient. 

It has so many elements of truly great shows, and is highly entertaining. But just doesn't quite hit the mark. I think the nit-picking is a compliment. If there weren't those elements and times when they are hitting the marks of an all-time drama, there'd be no need to nit-pick. 

It’s not a great show in the sense of all-timers like BB, Sopranos, Mad Men etc. It’s a very solid B+ and maybe the last two seasons will move it up. But season 1 and 2 were just ok. Last two episodes of 3 were about as good as tv gets though imo. 

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On 4/15/2020 at 2:06 AM, Penguin said:

He stopped taking them because he couldn't get it up when he first tried to have the sexs with Ruthie

 

Yeah, but then once off the medication he could convince himself that this was his true authentic self that the meds always suppress. You can't reason with someone in that situation, the fact that the meds were keeping their life together isn't persuasive once they're out from under them. It was a very realistic, tragic portrayal. Even moreso because it's probably true, life must feel like you were living it constrained in a haze once you're freed from the thing that was keeping you stable and your brain is firing on all cylinders again. Very sad.

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On 4/15/2020 at 2:27 PM, snogger said:

hard to do when Netflix only gives them 10 episodes per season..

Most shows have 16 or more per season so writers here need to cram as much as they can, which can at times cost character development. :mellow: 

 

I disagree with this personally. Most shows only need 8-10 eps at the most. British dramatic TV does it with fewer, longer eps. Shows with 16-22 eps have to shove in tons of filler, almost without exception. If character development isn't happening in 10 episode seasons it's because the screen time isn't being used responsibly imo.

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7 hours ago, pollardsvision said:

Ruth is an entertaining character. I like her and root for her. But I don't really get why she does what she does. Certainly don't get her loyalty to Marty (while it lasted). 

Seems pretty clear to me. She stole from him and instead of laying down and dying or entering into a blood feud, he rationally talked his way out of danger and manipulated her whole family the way she does. He showed how he thrived surrounded by much more dangerous people by using his brain. I think she admired that, while still wanting to kill him for the money at that time. But then, to take it a step further, he actually put trust in her, gave her responsibility and a "real job", and paid her real money to do it. He gave her a reason to think about a future that wasn't just B&E's and petty criminal gains. He showed her loyalty and allowed her to keep climbing the ladder, giving positive reinforcement but still encouraging her to figure things out on her own. That's a powerful thing to give someone scrabbling for respect who's never had a real opportunity to rise above the muck before.

He took the leap of faith with her, gave her an important role in his organization, and again he showed rational loyalty to her and respect for her mind.

That's why he ####ed up so badly not finding a way to enforce her as "Untouchable". He failed her and was so worried about other things he didn't even realize that he lost Ruth that day, even if neither of them realized it yet. 

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29 minutes ago, WDIK2 said:

Marty owns a couple casinos.  Why is he still driving a crap car?

They've always lived modestly. In the pilot episode he pulled together 8 million dollars in 24 hours by liquidating their investments, but you'd never have known that was in their reach based on their house and car. No different now.

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13 hours ago, BigJohn said:

Not to be completely contrarian, but I think Ben's story arc has been one of the most fascinating, by far.  The finale will show you that the story is going to line up more with what you're expecting, but I loved episodes 7-9 this season.

On its own I don't disagree, and the actor playing Ben was unquestionably great but I just really had trouble with him dominating the second half of the season. It really felt like two different shows to me. 

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7 hours ago, RUSF18 said:

On its own I don't disagree, and the actor playing Ben was unquestionably great but I just really had trouble with him dominating the second half of the season. It really felt like two different shows to me. 

I'm new to the thread so forgive me if this has been posted already - that character getting so much screen time and him continuing to make mistakes was necessary to make it believable that Wendy would sign off on him getting whacked.

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2 hours ago, Steeler said:

I'm new to the thread so forgive me if this has been posted already - that character getting so much screen time and him continuing to make mistakes was necessary to make it believable that Wendy would sign off on him getting whacked.

and him being a loose cannon pushed Helen to do what she did.. and ended how it did.

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5 hours ago, Soulfly3 said:

welllllllllllll i guess the last 2 episodes have been laid out for me.

Ugh I hate when that happens. Sorry man. It's been a little while since it released though, it's wild that you felt comfortable being in this thread at all. 

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23 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Ugh I hate when that happens. Sorry man. It's been a little while since it released though, it's wild that you felt comfortable being in this thread at all. 

no worries... wife and I are both "essential" workers, thus work 8-4 still mon-fri.... so we stick to our 1 episode per night rule (of any show)

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3 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

no worries... wife and I are both "essential" workers, thus work 8-4 still mon-fri.... so we stick to our 1 episode per night rule (of any show)

I never watched this before until five days ago. Watching 2-4 episodes per night.  I'm on 2.3 tonight.   Waking up to some wicked dreams . LOL

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2 minutes ago, Getzlaf15 said:

I never watched this before until five days ago. Watching 2-4 episodes per night.  I'm on 2.3 tonight.   Waking up to some wicked dreams . LOL

my bad back and attention span have basically capped me at a 1hr tv show/night. 

i can rarely get thru a movie.

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Heard an interesting theory that Ben isn't dead.

Only Marty identified the body which is never shown on camera and of course cremated.  This tips him off that the cartel is going to side with them over Helen and explains why he so calmly blows off the FBI's warnings to not get on the plane because of the deal she brokered without their consent.

 

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2 hours ago, Navin Johnson said:

Heard an interesting theory that Ben isn't dead.

Only Marty identified the body which is never shown on camera and of course cremated.  This tips him off that the cartel is going to side with them over Helen and explains why he so calmly blows off the FBI's warnings to not get on the plane because of the deal she brokered without their consent.

 

nelson would've been dead if he botched the job w ben. we saw nelson 20-30ft away from ben. armed.  

i guess it's possible, but doesn't make any sense. ben was a massive liability to the cartel and his family.

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2 hours ago, Navin Johnson said:

Heard an interesting theory that Ben isn't dead.

Only Marty identified the body which is never shown on camera and of course cremated.  This tips him off that the cartel is going to side with them over Helen and explains why he so calmly blows off the FBI's warnings to not get on the plane because of the deal she brokered without their consent.

 

Why would Nelson not have killed him? I would absolutely hate a swerve like that. 

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3 hours ago, Navin Johnson said:

Her ok wasn't needed, they were already after him.  She gave him up, which probably factored into them siding with them over Helen regardless.

I agree that Wendy giving Ben up likely factored into the decision to side with the Byrdes.  But Ben was such a huge liability, I can't imagine the cartel letting him survive.

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4 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

I agree that Wendy giving Ben up likely factored into the decision to side with the Byrdes.  But Ben was such a huge liability, I can't imagine the cartel letting him survive.

Only thing I can see is maybe the use him for leverage against the Byrds or Ruth.

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I wondered if he was really dead too.  The show has obviously shown graphic violence many time but, for an unknown reason, not this time.  Not IDing him when he was going to be cremated doubles down on hiding things from the viewer.  It's suspicious.

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8 hours ago, Navin Johnson said:

Heard an interesting theory that Ben isn't dead.

Only Marty identified the body which is never shown on camera and of course cremated.  This tips him off that the cartel is going to side with them over Helen and explains why he so calmly blows off the FBI's warnings to not get on the plane because of the deal she brokered without their consent.

No need for it IMO. I hope the writers don't try to over think this. His story arc was just right.

47 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

I agree that Wendy giving Ben up likely factored into the decision to side with the Byrdes.  But Ben was such a huge liability, I can't imagine the cartel letting him survive.

Exactly, Ben was making it out of that episode alive. Whether it was Nelson doing it in quiet manner or the cartel blowing him up in front of the casino, he was going to die. 

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