Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Is anyone really going to be excited about OJ Howard if he gets 5.0-5.5 targets per game? I'm not sure that will be sufficient to live up to the expectations embedded in his current dynasty value.
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Dynasty Watch - Chris Godwin WR Tampa Bay (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
90 targets is pretty good. Only 5 TEs got more than that last year. Maybe I’m not really aware of what his dynasty value is. I usually assume unless it’s a TE that has already broken out like Kelce or Kittle that the value is a bit repressed outside of 2 TE leagues
kittenmittens
Footballguy
It feels like Godwin's value will increase all offseason due to stories and hype like the above. It seems like every offseason there are OTA and training camp darlings that get a ton of positive buzz throughout the offseason. Godwin looks like he'll be mentioned pretty frequently due to the obvious excitement over Arains and Godwin's role in the offense.
I'm not going to be surprised to see his ADP rise multiple rounds before the season starts. Most of it is probably deserved in this case, the upside is huge.
I'm not going to be surprised to see his ADP rise multiple rounds before the season starts. Most of it is probably deserved in this case, the upside is huge.
stuckinthemuck
Footballguy
Godwin is the new Kenny Golladay.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Is that a good thing? I am hoping for more than 70-1000-5....especially in the TD column. He has decent competition for targets and a lot will depend on Winston progressing. Arians is a positive for the passing game and Godwin landed 7 TDs last season so the upside is there. Definitely will be on peoples radar to make a leap this coming year so he may not be a value come draft day.stuckinthemuck said:
stuckinthemuck
Footballguy
He has tons of momentum in the offseason: He’s better than Evans! He’s going to catch 100 passes! Dynasty owners are watching his adp rise rapidly. I love his talent but selling when the offer values him as a low end WR1.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
overvalued already
-OZ-
Footballguy
Agree that I'd like more TDs, but that's a decent wr2. I'd be happy with that from him .
gpthatsme
Footballguy
Top WR Duos
I’m surprised the Tampa Tandem aren’t mentioned in this article. They would rank above a couple of the ones mentioned in my opinion.
I’m surprised the Tampa Tandem aren’t mentioned in this article. They would rank above a couple of the ones mentioned in my opinion.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
People are calling him a top 15 WR in the dynasty trade thread, so I agree.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Is wr15 really that ridiculous? Tyler Lockett, Jarvis Landry, Golladay, Cooper, Edelman are all WRs in that range. I dont think its ridiculous to say Godwin could get there.
In last years offense, competing with Humphries and Jackson he was 45 fantasy points away from last years WR15. over 100 targets are lost from FA. All he needs is am extra 3 fp/g to make it to wr15 from 2018 standards.
So if he gets only 20% of the available targets, its conceivable that he could he a top 15 WR
ETA: actually 150 targets are lost to FA...
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Is it ridiculous? I guess not. Is it overhyped? In my opinion, yes. I like Bruce Arians as much as the next guy but I'm not expecting miracles in a Jaemis Winston led offense (and I also like Winston more than a lot of people here). Mike Evans is a top 15 WR, I don't see two in TB. While they lost some targets, I also see OJ Howard, Justin Watson, Brate, and any potential rookie RBs or WRs they bring in picking up some of that slack as well.
I don't see what bringing up those other guys proves since it makes sense they are in the top 15 range. Now I'm not saying I would be shocked to see Godwin put up the numbers to end up there but I do think it's premature to call him a top 15 dynasty WR - I see that as hype. Sometimes hype takes the next step though.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I just bring up those names because if you said Tyler Lockett was going to be WR16 this time last year you would have been laughed out of the room.
I think Godwin is a bit over hyped. I dont blame his owners for being excited. This situation is exactly why I traded for him this time last year. I'm excited to see what he can do. I have my doubts about Winston, but I'm ncouraged to see that a qb carousel last year produced a WR1 (9th), WR2 (24th), flex (wr27) and Jackson who was great when he was active, but finished 42.
I think this offense will be better in 2019, and I see no reason why it can't produce a wr1, and high end wr2.
Winston is the wildcard. If they had even Eli Manning I would be more excited. As it stands I see Godwin with WR2 floor, which should get all of his owners pretty stoked, and I think the numbers support this expectation
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm bullish on Godwin for all the same reasons. But just as an aside, the bolded is why I think Evans will be in play for the overall WR1.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Tampa should be there instead of Seattle and Philly, at the very least.gpthatsme said:
I also have problem with the author saying that Cooks/Woods is the duo in LA when it should be Kupp/Cooks. And Houston should be Hopkins/Coutee, Fuller can't ever stay the field for more than three games per season.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
yes I think Evans is in line for an awesome season. IMO some changes at the top of the fantasy wr list are going to happen this yearbarackdhouse said:
kittenmittens
Footballguy
He's younger too. Godwin just turned 23. Golladay was still in college when he was the age Godwin is now.
Faust
MVP
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Godwin passes up Evans as WR1 in this offense someday
According to DLF it was reported someone overheard the coaches saying this within the last 2 years of training camps.
According to DLF it was reported someone overheard the coaches saying this within the last 2 years of training camps.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I dont see why it's so absurd to some that TB could have 2 highly productive WRs similar to CIN, MIN, DET... average to below average teams that have had 2 valuable fantasy wrs. Evans/Godwin is at least as good as AJ Green/Boyd, Diggs/Theilen, or Jones/Tate
barackdhouse
Footballguy
It's not.
Julio/Ridley
Cooks/Woods/Kupp
ABrown/Juju
Jordy Nelson/Cobb
Nelson/James Jones
Adams/somebody in 2019
Going back a little more:
Marshall/Jeffery
Moss/Carter
Smith/Muhammad
Fitzgerald/Boldin
Rice/Taylor
Clayton/Duper
Chad Johnson/TJ Houshmanzada (sp?)
The list goes on and on. I can't find the Waldman article but he makes a compelling case that many WR1 seasons are accompanied by a teammate that also has a WR1 or a WR2 season. And if you include the top pass catching TEs then the list can be even longer in terms of offenses that can support two top receivers.
There is absolutely no reason Tampa can't do it too.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Which of those teams has a high end tight end though?
I like both Godwin and Howard quite a bit, however I'm concerned that they will cut into one another because they both deserve a lot of targets.
If the offense is really good though and the RBs aren't getting passing game targets, maybe the pie is big enough for all 3 of Evans, Godwin and Howard. I doubt it tho, I seem to remember even the Colts offenses in the Manning Era only really supporting two of Wayne, Harrison and Clarke at the same time...
Have we seen 2 WRs and a TE get over 1000 yards in the same season?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
How many of Arians teams have utilized a TE to the extent that Howard been in previous seasons?
Arians tends to not use them at all. And maybe it's a talent vs system thing, but it certainly has some merit to the discussion. Yes, this limits Godwins upside if Howard is heavily involved
TheWinz
Footballguy
santo71
Footballguy
Tanner9919
Footballguy
we were touting this guy last preseason as a breakout candidate, and he fizzled.did we not learn anything?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think the difference is target share. He had Humphries and Jackson to contend with...those guys are gone and he is a year more experienced (remember he is only going into his third season).
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Godwin, even as the 4th or 5th option last year, was a redzone magnet.
If he produces the same TDs from last year and sees half of the targets vacated by Jackson and Hunpheries then he stands to finish much higher than most people have him
If he produces the same TDs from last year and sees half of the targets vacated by Jackson and Hunpheries then he stands to finish much higher than most people have him
Interseptopus
Footballguy
edit: nevermind, idk what the heck I was looking at....
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
Godwin is primed to have a great year. He is talented and moved up a couple of spots in the pecking order. Consider me part of the hype machine.
thehoch
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
What does “I had him in fantasy” mean? Do you have access to info we don’t since he was on your team?
he finished as the 9th WR. He didn’t suck.
thehoch
Footballguy
Maybe it was two years ago. I can't remember. Anyway, I don't care for him. You can draft him with your pertty little lips all day long Cletus.
joffer
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You say you had him and he sucked, it's pointed out he had 86/1524/8 last year, and now you're not sure what year you're talking about.
Sounds like you don't actually know what point you're trying to make other than pushing an agenda.
joffer
Footballguy
