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Antifa: Left Wing Militants on the Rise (1 Viewer)
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cosjobs
Footballguy
Employers don't usually fire Trump supporters. I feel like some social media activity is missing from the description.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Koya
Footballguy
Who is "Antifa" ?
Seriously, I mean, there are real people doing this... it's either organized as a group, or random individuals (who may or may not be utilizing a term and aligning with either an amorphous "idea" or more formal group).
If it were say, Dems or Reps, we could have the party leadership denounce the actions, or go after those misusing their name and "brand" for ill purpose. In the case of Antifa, what/who is the group? Or are we talking loosely or not affiliated #######s and anarchists that need to get the sink thrown at them, but are not representative of some more formal grouping?
Koya
Footballguy
Also, I know plenty of Trump supporters... and "outing" them as such would have zero effect on their lives. It might even help them in some circles, to be honest.
Now, if while doing that, their social media was strewn with other, legitimately bad ####, well, then they'd need take some responsibility for that outcome. Regardless of the tactics used (and that's not to say the tactics are ok ... but if you are say racist, then it's not because you are a Trump supporter that you are getting fired, for example)
Now, if while doing that, their social media was strewn with other, legitimately bad ####, well, then they'd need take some responsibility for that outcome. Regardless of the tactics used (and that's not to say the tactics are ok ... but if you are say racist, then it's not because you are a Trump supporter that you are getting fired, for example)
jonessed
Footballguy
I know a few members. They openly talk about it and seem pretty well organized. They definitely have leadership and communication networks. I think the rest is kept fairly loose though. At least that’s the way it works here in the Bay Area.
msommer
Footballguy
Not very anarchistic then
There will always be some sort of organizing structure and modern communication e.g. with twitter and WhatsApp give opportunities that were not present in the past.
But claimed membership (or acting on behalf of) would likely be a hard thing to verify
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Sorry but I'm gonna call
on this. Not only does it seem unlikely that someone would lose their job simply for supporting Trump, but it also might be illegal. Most places have laws that protect people from discrimination based on political affiliation. See item #2 in this article. And if she works somewhere that affords her contractual rights, perhaps collectively bargained ones, that would give her further protection from being fired without cause ... ironically, since the Trump administration is so strongly anti-union.![[scooter]](/data/avatars/m/22/22287.jpg?1659477690){kind=avatar}
[scooter]
Footballguy
To be fair, ArbyMelt did not say that she was fired just for being a Trump supporter. She was fired for doing something that was less worse than starting World War 2 or killing millions of Jews.Sorry but I'm gonna call
Quint
Footballguy
i know a couple of people who identify as "Antifa" as well, though only one goes the BlacBlock route. the other is more of a march/chant/hold-a-sign supporter up in Portland. fwiw, both are women and over 50.
here's a few sites they've linked recently:
General Defense Fund for Antifascist Activists
It's Going Down
AntiFascistNews
Unicorn Riot (live feeds)
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Yeah, let's go after all those left wing militant groups. I mean, they're shooting people and bombing people all the time in America, right?
This is what's known as false equivalency.
This is what's known as false equivalency.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
If I could speak to just the State of Virginia for a moment:
"Hey, guys, maybe get your #### together one of these days, eh? You're looking worse than Louisiana the last week or so."
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
Always felt there was a level of hypocrisy in this term. It leads to the inability to discuss the negatives of something on its own merit. Usually the defender of such a thing claims equivalence is implied where none was ever suggested.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
For latest Antifa attacks in Portland.
[scooter]
Footballguy
It was a skirmish between extremists on both sides, and one of the right wingers ended up with some cuts and bruises.
For latest Antifa attacks in Portland.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Imagine the outrage if a alleged right wing group targeted and assaulted a LGBTQ minority journalist.
[scooter]
Footballguy
This is a terrible analogy.Imagine the outrage if a alleged right wing group targeted and assaulted a LGBTQ minority journalist.
The victim in this case was not targeted. He was a participant in the skirmish.
This attempt to manufacture victim status is exactly the sort of thing that conservatives usually criticize, but apparently it's okay to co-opt the concept if it benefits their cause.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Are we talking about Andrew Ngo? I don't think he was a participant in anything, other than attending the rally in his role as a journalist.
sho nuff
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This fellow.
And just to go ahead and get an obvious point out of the way, the current president of the United States has openly advocated for violence against journalists, refers to them as the enemy of the people, and would shut down CNN and The Washington Post if he could. That doesn't make this attack okay.
[scooter]
Footballguy
The video shows him standing right in the middle of a group of yelling protesters.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The video shows him standing right in the middle of a group of yelling protesters.
Standing there, filming a protest is journalism. It's not a threat of violence or incitement or asking for it. It's literally what journalists are supposed to do. The people who attacked Ngo weren't acting in self-defense -- it was pure aggression.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Targeted in the analogy and what appears to have happened here seems to be two different things.
sho nuff
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
I do? Where dod anything i said even come close ti that?
In fact, i have said over and over in these boards that i dont condone violence or violent protest.
Max Power
Footballguy
Stanislav Vysotsky. Assistant Professor of Sociology and Criminology at the University of Wisconsin - Whitewater.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-militant-anti-fascism-is-self-defense-1.7425726
sho nuff
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
He has spent over a decade with them... Attending meetings and engaging in their culture. So He knows things.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I didn't see him filming, not that it's required to be a journalist. Is his film available?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Ok...that doesnt mean anyone else justifies violence or think its acceptable behavior. I get that Antifa thinks they are justified.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
How to get attacked by Fascists: be gay or a POC or a liberal or a feminist or a...
How to get attacked by AntiFa: be a fascist
How to get attacked by AntiFa: be a fascist
Mile High
Footballguy
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In this case, the person who was attacked by AntiFa is a gay person of color who is not a fascist.
dkp993
Footballguy
Not sure why people have a hard time understanding there are idiots and a**holes all over the spectrum, left middle and right.
