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I'm starting an alt-moderate radical militant group.   We fight the extreme left and extreme right by sitting on our butts, drinking beer, watching football and eating pizza.   

All I'm all for criticizing Antifa, but it seems odd to do so shortly after a violent outburst by white nationalists having nothing to do with Antifa.

It doesn't make any difference whether this guy writes straight news or opinion columns, where his work is published, whether he was filming anybody or not, or whether he was wearing a fedora with an

Hearing reports that regular protesters called out, "exchanges words", with the Antifa type protesters that showed up tonight like they do every night. 

"You're hijacking our protest!" 

Wouldnt that say something if it took real protesters to call out these vigilantes, something the politicians and MSM have failed to do so far.  

A CHAZ civil war if you will. 

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5 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Hearing reports that regular protesters called out, "exchanges words", with the Antifa type protesters that showed up tonight like they do every night. 

"You're hijacking our protest!" 

Wouldnt that say something if it took real protesters to call out these vigilantes, something the politicians and MSM have failed to do so far.  

A CHAZ civil war if you will. 

Definitely have been seeing this since day one in Seattle. The first night when the looting was occurring downtown. There was a woman interviewed who said exactly this.

Al Sharpton has been saying this as well.

I’m going to check out this CHAZ area tomorrow. 

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Given the historical moment, we’ll begin with our demands pertaining to the Justice System.

The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle.

In the transitionary period between now and the dismantlement of the Seattle Police Department, we demand that the use of armed force be banned entirely. No guns, no batons, no riot shields, no chemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest.

We demand an end to the school-to-prison pipeline and the abolition of youth jails. Get kids out of prison, get cops out of schools. We also demand that the new youth prison being built in Seattle currently be repurposed.

We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability. In particular, we demand that cases particular to Seattle and Washington be reopened where no justice has been served, namely the cases of Iosia Faletogo, Damarius Butts, Isaiah Obet, Tommy Le, Shaun Fuhr, and Charleena Lyles.

We demand reparations for victims of police brutality, in a form to be determined.

We demand that the City of Seattle make the names of officers involved in police brutality a matter of public record. Anonymity should not even be a privilege in public service.

We demand a retrial of all People in Color currently serving a prison sentence for violent crime, by a jury of their peers in their community.

We demand decriminalization of the acts of protest, and amnesty for protestors generally, but specifically those involved in what has been termed “The George Floyd Rebellion” against the terrorist cell that previously occupied this area known as the Seattle Police Department. This includes the immediate release of all protestors currently being held in prison after the arrests made at 11th and Pine on Sunday night and early Saturday morning June 7th and 8th, and any other protesters arrested in the past two weeks of the uprising, the name Evan Hreha in particular comes to mind who filmed Seattle police macing a young girl and is now in jail.

We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction.

We demand the City of Seattle and State Government release any prisoner currently serving time just for resisting arrest if there are no other related charges, and that those convictions should also be expunged.

We demand that prisoners currently serving time be given the full and unrestricted right to vote, and for Washington State to pass legislation specifically breaking from Federal law that prevents felons from being able to vote.

We demand an end to prosecutorial immunity for police officers in the time between now and the dissolution of the SPD and extant justice system.

We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons.

We demand in replacement of the current criminal justice system the creation of restorative/transformative accountability programs as a replacement for imprisonment.

We demand autonomy be given to the people to create localized anti-crime systems.

We demand that the Seattle Police Department, between now and the time of its abolition in the near future, empty its “lost and found” and return property owned by denizens of the city.

We demand justice for those who have been sexually harassed or abused by the Seattle Police Department or prison guards in the state of Washington.

We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record.

We demand that the funding previously used for Seattle Police be redirected into: A) Socialized Health and Medicine for the City of Seattle. B) Free public housing, because housing is a right, not a privilege. C) Public education, to decrease the average class size in city schools and increase teacher salary. D) Naturalization services for immigrants to the United States living here undocumented. (We demand they be called “undocumented” because no person is illegal.) E) General community development. Parks, etc.

We also have economic demands that must be addressed.

We demand the de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control.

We demand the restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle.

We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country.

We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that Seattle Police be prohibited from performing “homeless sweeps” that displace and disturb our homeless neighbors, and on equal footing we demand an end to all evictions.

We demand a decentralized election process to give the citizens of Seattle a greater ability to select candidates for public office such that we are not forced to choose at the poll between equally undesirable options. There are multiple systems and policies in place which make it impractical at best for working-class people to run for public office, all of which must go, starting with any fees associated with applying to run for public office.

Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.”

We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.

We demand the people of Seattle seek out and proudly support Black-owned businesses. Your money is our power and sustainability.

We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation.

Finally, let us now address our demands regarding the education system in the City of Seattle and State of Washington.

We demand that the history of Black and Native Americans be given a significantly greater focus in the Washington State education curriculum.

We demand that thorough anti-bias training become a legal requirement for all jobs in the education system, as well as in the medical profession and in mass media.

We demand the City of Seattle and State of Washington remove any and all monuments dedicated to historical figures of the Confederacy, whose treasonous attempts to build an America with slavery as a permanent fixture were an affront to the human race.

 

 

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Department of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms arrested a woman and charged her with five accounts of arson for setting Seattle police cars on fire.  She faces 10 years in prison. :thumbup:

Glad the feds got her, because despite Seattle police best efforts, she would have never been charged by city prosecutors.  

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18 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

Ohh, not even Mayor Durkan, a spokeswoman for Durkan.  :lol:  And yes I know it's equally funny that they use Hannity to represent the other side.  There is nothing tangible for either side in that drivel drive by done by CNN.  You really need to work on figuring out how to find useful info.  

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1 hour ago, tonydead said:

Ohh, not even Mayor Durkan, a spokeswoman for Durkan.  :lol:  And yes I know it's equally funny that they use Hannity to represent the other side.  There is nothing tangible for either side in that drivel drive by done by CNN.  You really need to work on figuring out how to find useful info.  

Would it make any difference if I linked a clip of the mayor saying basically the same thing?

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12 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Would it make any difference if I linked a clip of the mayor saying basically the same thing?

Are you familiar with Mayor Durkan's work?  If you listen to her side of the story and Mike Solan's side of the story along with local newspaper reporting you would likely have enough info to make an informed opinion of the events, imo.  Probably not as informed as someone who has lived here for 10 years, but still an informed opinion.  People who live here know who the antagonist protesters are and we've seen the liberal city council and mayor destroy the city.  I'd wager even some of the liberal posters here that live in the area wouldn't go out of their way to defend the city council or mayor Durkan.  

If I succeed in convincing you that the above paragraph is true, that should say something about what you hear on a national level, MSM and wherever people are getting there info from.

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2 minutes ago, Manster said:

Wow....

You know what this tells me?  Real estate boom in the burbs, and outlying areas from big cities

:thumbup:  Sounds good to me (maybe I'm starting to change my stance on this whole protest thing if they keep it in the big city centers).  They have been booming as it is, and I'm looking to get out of dodge in the next 5 - 10 years.

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1271819615660900352

Despite claims by Trump and Attorney General Barr, federal arrests show no sign that antifa plotted protests.

In fact, none of those charged with serious federal crimes amid the unrest have been linked so far to antifa.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-george-floyd.html

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Roofing company workers forced onto ground, held at gunpoint by man who thought they were Antifa

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LOVELAND, Colo. — A Loveland man faces felony charges after allegedly concluding that two men going door-to-door in his neighborhood were members of the protest movement known as Antifa – and then ordering them to the ground and holding them at gunpoint, 9Wants to Know has learned.

The incident unfolded after the man called police, said there were two men wearing masks near his home, and announced he was armed and going to go confront them, Loveland Police Lt. Bob Shaffer confirmed to 9Wants to Know.

When officers arrived in the 2400 block of Dawn Court around 6 p.m. Thursday, they encountered Scott Gudmundsen – dressed in fatigues and holding two men on the ground at gunpoint, Shaffer said.

But the men weren’t troublemakers – they work for a local roofing company and were wearing blue polo shirts with the firm’s name on them, shorts, tennis shoes and white surgical-style masks, Shaffer said.

One of them is a Colorado State University football player who is 20 years old and works part-time at the roofing company. The student is a "man of color," according to a statement from the university. 

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Right-wing hysteria.

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8 hours ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Wish I could say I was shocked 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/steven-carrillo-boogaloo-santa-cruz-police-killing_n_5ee40d39c5b6d14f7fe32ac1

Accused California Cop Killer Linked To Right-Wing Extremist Boogaloo Movement

Oh wow, same guy is also a suspect in the killing of that Federal Protective Services officer at the start of the protests. 

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23 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

Hold up. Change of plans.  His lawyer says he has a brain injury.  

Dang. Never mind.  

It seems he was ranting against fascism and the increasing abuse by police on his facebook page.    

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1 hour ago, BigSteelThrill said:

You make being against fascism and police brutality sound like a bad thing.

No, i make it clear i am sick of the lying narratives which arr spread by the media which stir up hatred and violence and covers up the truth.  But lots of people here are good with brainwashing the masses if it serves their agenda. 

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1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

No, i make it clear i am sick of the lying narratives which arr spread by the media which stir up hatred and violence and covers up the truth.  But lots of people here are good with brainwashing the masses if it serves their agenda. 

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/air-force-sgt-charged-with-murdering-deputy-allegedly-criticized-cops-voiced-far-right-boogaloo-meme/amp/

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1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

No, i make it clear i am sick of the lying narratives which arr spread by the media which stir up hatred and violence and covers up the truth.  But lots of people here are good with brainwashing the masses if it serves their agenda. 

This is pretty funny...given we have seen just that in the another killing thread.  Multiple posters blaming everything on antifa or the left.  Seems you have no problem with that..

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6 minutes ago, matuski said:

Is that protest not being carried out under the BLM movements name?

Seems to me, alot of demands at the city of Seattle and the state of Washington. 

 

Given the historical moment, we’ll begin with our demands pertaining to the Justice System.

The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle.

In the transitionary period between now and the dismantlement of the Seattle Police Department, we demand that the use of armed force be banned entirely. No guns, no batons, no riot shields, nochemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest.

We demand an end to the school-to-prison pipeline and the abolition of youth jails. Get kids out of prison, get cops out of schools. We also demand that thenew youth prison being built in Seattle currently be repurposed.

We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability. In particular, we demand that cases particular to Seattle and Washington be reopened where no justice has been served, namely the cases of Iosia Faletogo, Damarius Butts, Isaiah Obet, Tommy Le, Shaun Fuhr, and Charleena Lyles.

We demand reparations for victims of police brutality, in a form to be determined.

We demand that the City of Seattle make the names of officers involved in police brutality a matter of public record. Anonymity should not even be a privilege in public service.

We demand a retrial of all People in Color currently serving a prison sentence for violent crime, by a jury of their peers in their community.

We demand decriminalization of the acts of protest, and amnesty for protestors generally, but specifically those involved in what has been termed “The GeorgeFloyd Rebellion” against the terrorist cell that previously occupied this area known as the Seattle Police Department. This includes the immediate release of all protestors currently being held in prison after the arrests made at 11th and Pine on Sunday night and early Saturday morning June 7th and 8th, and any other protesters arrested in the past two weeks of the uprising, the name Evan Hreha in particular comes to mind who filmed Seattle police macing a young girl and is now in jail.

We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release anyprisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction.

We demand the City of Seattle and State Government release any prisonercurrently serving time just for resisting arrest if there are no other related charges, and that those convictionsshould also be expunged.

We demand that prisoners currently serving time be given the full and unrestricted right to vote, and for Washington State to pass legislation specifically breaking from Federal law that prevents felons from being able to vote.

We demand an end to prosecutorial immunity for police officers in the time between now and the dissolution of the SPD and extant justice system.

We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons.

We demand in replacement of the current criminal justice system the creation of restorative/transformative accountability programs as a replacement for imprisonment.

We demand autonomy be given to the people to create localized anti-crime systems.

We demand that the Seattle Police Department, between now and the time of its abolition in the near future, empty its “lost and found” and return property owned by denizens of the city.

We demand justice for those who have been sexually harassed or abused by the Seattle Police Department or prison guards in the state of Washington.

We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record.

We demand that the funding previously used for Seattle Police be redirected into: A) Socialized Health and Medicine for the City of Seattle. B) Free public housing, because housing is a right, not a privilege. C) Public education, to decrease the average class size in city schools and increase teacher salary. D) Naturalization services for immigrants to the United States living here undocumented. (We demand they be called “undocumented” because no person is illegal.) E) General community development. Parks, etc.

We also have economic demands that must be addressed.

We demand the de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control.

We demand the restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle.

We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country.

We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that Seattle Police be prohibited from performing “homeless sweeps” that displace and disturb our homeless neighbors, and on equal footing we demand an end to all evictions.

We demand a decentralized election process to give the citizens of Seattle a greater ability to select candidates for public office such that we are not forced to choose at the poll between equally undesirable options. There are multiple systems and policies in place which make it impractical at best for working-class people to run for public office, all of which must go, starting with any fees associated with applying to run for public office.

Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.”

We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.

We demand the people of Seattle seek out and proudly support Black-owned businesses. Your money is our power and sustainability.

We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation.

Finally, let us now address our demands regarding the education system in the City of Seattle and State of Washington.

We demand that the history of Black and Native Americans be given a significantly greater focus in the Washington State education curriculum.

We demand that thorough anti-bias training become a legal requirement for all jobs in the education system, as well as in the medical profession and in mass media.

We demand the City of Seattle and State of Washington remove any and all monuments dedicated to historical figures of the Confederacy, whose treasonous attempts to build an America with slavery as a permanent fixture were an affront to the human race.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Seems to me, alot of demands at the city of Seattle and the state of Washington. 

 

 

 

 

So they are making demands of the city and state they live in... under the BLM movement's name, right?

eta - Should I expect to find other cities' protesters making wildly different demands in the name of BLM?

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5 minutes ago, Mile High said:

That list of demands came from a group calling themselves CHAZ.

CHAZ is the autonomous zone.  The physical location (on Capital Hill).

The group is protesting under BLM.  The main gist is another play on defunding the police.  Not a local issue.

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The Seattle Police Department has negotiated with Black Lives Matter (BLM) protesters who have occupied a six-block radius for most of the week after driving police from the local precinct.

Demonstrators in the city, who had clashed with Seattle police repeatedly during protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody, forced officers out of the East Precinct station at the beginning of the week, dubbing the area the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ).

 

 

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10 minutes ago, matuski said:

CHAZ is the autonomous zone.  The physical location (on Capital Hill).

The group is protesting under BLM.  The main gist is another play on defunding the police.  Not a local issue.

 

Guess I'm just confused like the president. Surprised he is calling BLM a far left military group. 

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 18h

Interesting how ANTIFA and other Far Left militant groups can take over a city without barely a wimpier from soft Do NothingDemocrat leadership,  yet these same weak leaders become RADICAL when it comes to shutting down a state or city and its hard working, tax paying citizens!

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6 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Guess I'm just confused like the president. Surprised he is calling BLM a far left military group. 

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 18h

Interesting how ANTIFA and other Far Left militant groups can take over a city without barely a wimpier from soft Do NothingDemocrat leadership,  yet these same weak leaders become RADICAL when it comes to shutting down a state or city and its hard working, tax paying citizens!

Alright.. I was simply trying to establish that this isn't simply local issue.

I keep trying to bring you back, you keep running off the rails.

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Anyone feel like making the Boogaloo thread? I don't want the responsibility, personally. Seems far more worthy of one than Antifa, though, and I feel like they're getting lost in here. We've got 3-4 arrests tied to the group so far since the protesting began, including one guy who murdered two cops + shot several others and scrawled phrases related to the movement in blood on the hood of a car.

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10 hours ago, jon_mx said:

It seems he was ranting against fascism and the increasing abuse by police on his facebook page.    

Here's a pro-tip for you Jon, that's pretty much exactly the ethos of the Boogaloo movement. They mostly came from right-wing anti-government militia groups that have existed in this country for a long, long time. Think McVeigh, Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc. That's also why they see the current climate as the perfect time to try to "accelerate" their desired Civil War 2 (Electric Boogaloo).

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1 hour ago, Mile High said:

Guess I'm just confused like the president. Surprised he is calling BLM a far left military group. 

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 18h

Interesting how ANTIFA and other Far Left militant groups can take over a city without barely a wimpier from soft Do NothingDemocrat leadership,  yet these same weak leaders become RADICAL when it comes to shutting down a state or city and its hard working, tax paying citizens!

Based on what they've done in Seattle. BLM is a far left military group.

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51 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

Here's a pro-tip for you Jon, that's pretty much exactly the ethos of the Boogaloo movement. They mostly came from right-wing anti-government militia groups that have existed in this country for a long, long time. Think McVeigh, Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc. That's also why they see the current climate as the perfect time to try to "accelerate" their desired Civil War 2 (Electric Boogaloo).

:lmao:  "pro" tip.

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8 hours ago, matuski said:

That message has been butchered and lost.

 

What?  "That message?"

Those are TWO different things. 

Police Brutality is for everyone.  BLM is specifically police killings/brutality of Black Lives.

And Fascism is a worldwide no-no. Antifa boogeyman or not.

 

*oh, are you saying many stances/messages are lost on you as you just lump things together?

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15 minutes ago, BigSteelThrill said:

What?  "That message?"

Those are TWO different things. 

Police Brutality is for everyone.  BLM is specifically police killings/brutality of Black Lives.

And Fascism is a worldwide no-no. Antifa boogeyman or not.

 

*oh, are you saying many stances/messages are lost on you as you just lump things together?

 

Don't worry about me, the world at large seems confused.  Even you seem to be a victim.. claiming two messages then listing three (police brutality, BLM, fascism bad).  :lol:

In my defense I started upstream not realizing this was an antifa thread... I don't give a rip about antifa.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, matuski said:

 

Don't worry about me, the world at large seems confused.  Even you seem to be a victim.. claiming two messages then listing three (police brutality, BLM, fascism bad).  :lol:

In my defense I started upstream not realizing this was an antifa thread... I don't give a rip about antifa.  

 

 

You do think police brutality is bad?  That is why the 3rd was included.

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