Where do you think is more fair? It does seem high for an old recently injured satellite back.Danny Woodhead standard adp is low 40s right now. That is way to high.
I hope someone takes him there in my leaguesDanny Woodhead standard adp is low 40s right now. That is way to high.
Pretty far for standard. It's crazy that he is above ware/cj/Blount. I would drop him closer to West.Where do you think is more fair? It does seem high for an old recently injured satellite back.
Would take gronk anywhere after mid round 2. Don't think I will target Olsen or kelce as they always seem to go around RB and wr I like. But they seem to be going in the right places. Kinda thought kelce would go a little higher. Wonder how cmc targets might effect Olsen?For standard, these 3 TEs seem interesting.
Gronk is in his age 28 year season, plays in one of the likely highest scoring offenses in the league, averages 0.91 TD/game for his career, has played in 80% of the potential games over the last 3 years, is 100% healthy right now and has led the TE position in ppg for 3 straight years.
Kelce is in his age 28 year season, plays in likely one of the likely lower scoring offenses in the league, averages 0.29 TD/game for his career, has played in 100% of the potential games over the last 4 years, is dealing with knee soreness and his 2016 fantasy leading 136 fantasy points is only the 11th highest most points in a season for a TE over the last 3 years.
Olsen is in his age 32 season, plays in a middle of the road offense, averages 0.33 TD/game for his career, has played 100% of the potential games over the last 3 years, is healthy and has posted better numbers than Kelce for 2 of the last 3 seasons.
Gronk is going 20th, Kelce 40th, Olsen 54th.
What do we think of the value on these 3 TEs?
Totally on topic. He is a guy I am trying to figure out. 132 is a lot of targets. Can we expect it remain near that level?Kind of off topic but it blew my mind to see Rudolph finished TE2 in standard. Maybe he is a little under valued.
Corey Davis a true #1 WR. Ross is a small speedster. If Davis is healthy to start the season, I think he should be closer to a 8th or 9th round pick. I don't have Ross on my draft board as AJ Green is that passing game.I am seeing Corey Davis go early 10th and John Ross going end of the 12th. I know in late rounds the ADP difference is less meaningful, but why are these 2 so far apart?
Both were picked very high, both have been bothered by injuries, both are on offenses that have made players good for fantasy, both QB situations are above average and stable. Are people sleeping on John Ross?
Side question 80s where are you seeing Mike Williams go in that mix? (yet another young WR with injuries)I am seeing Corey Davis go early 10th and John Ross going end of the 12th. I know in late rounds the ADP difference is less meaningful, but why are these 2 so far apart?
Both were picked very high, both have been bothered by injuries, both are on offenses that have made players good for fantasy, both QB situations are above average and stable. Are people sleeping on John Ross?
I like Ross and he is a player I tend to Target in the last rounds. Also like Ted Ginn. But he goes a little soonerI am seeing Corey Davis go early 10th and John Ross going end of the 12th. I know in late rounds the ADP difference is less meaningful, but why are these 2 so far apart?
Both were picked very high, both have been bothered by injuries, both are on offenses that have made players good for fantasy, both QB situations are above average and stable. Are people sleeping on John Ross?
Good one. He's there in the fifth alot. I like him thereI think J. Graham is being drafted too late. I have him and Kelce similarly valued.
Rodgers always goes in the second in mocks I do. Brady sometimes goes through the 3rd but not usually. Both these guys will be gone very early in my leaguesI think all the WR's between WR9 and WR25 are being drafted too high in Standard non-ppr leagues by about a round. I'm probably going RB or maybe even QB if Rodgers/Brady falls in the third.
I don't expect them to be there, but I can't do it in the second but would in the third.Rodgers always goes in the second in mocks I do. Brady sometimes goes through the 3rd but not usually. Both these guys will be gone very early in my leagues
Well where is Jamaal Charles going? He's an all time great coming off a similar injury.......Ilov80s said:Where do you think is more fair? It does seem high for an old recently injured satellite back.
I love Hyde and cook. They will def be gone in the third or fourth.I don't expect them to be there, but I can't do it in the second but would in the third.
Happy taking Lynch, Crowell, Hyde, Cook in the third over the WR's that typically go there.
LaaaaaaattttteeeWell where is Jamaal Charles going? He's an all time great coming off a similar injury.......
Well there you go......Jamaal is to low and Woodhead is to high.......Laaaaaaattttteee
Charles seems like a guy who would shoot up higher if he had one good run in preseasonWell there you go......Jamaal is to low and Woodhead is to high.......
Word I'm getting is Denver knows what they got in Jamaal so they aren't going to work him to much in the preseason......Charles seems like a guy who would shoot up higher if he had one good run in preseason
If Charles cant get healthy after a year and change off, he aint going to get healthy ever. He is not rosterable except in the depest of leagues. Woodhead might be the leading receiver on that team and redzone back.Charles seems like a guy who would shoot up higher if he had one good run in preseason
I think he's worth like the last guy on your roster pick.If Charles cant get healthy after a year and change off, he aint going to get healthy ever. He is not rosterable except in the depest of leagues. Woodhead might be the leading receiver on that team and redzone back.
Or he could be Denver's #1 RB this year.......If Charles cant get healthy after a year and change off, he aint going to get healthy ever. He is not rosterable except in the depest of leagues. Woodhead might be the leading receiver on that team and redzone back.
If Charles cant get healthy after a year and change off, he aint going to get healthy ever. He is not rosterable except in the depest of leagues. Woodhead might be the leading receiver on that team and redzone back.
Has he or will he have any preseason reps?Or he could be Denver's #1 RB this year.......
We saw him last year try to comeback and he didn't look the same. We then saw KC drop him. Not trade him, just straight up fire him. Then we see Denver sign him to a nothing contract will almost nothing guaranteed. Then he has been barely practicing and certainly not with the ones. All the reports I have heard from camp are that while he is fully released as healthy he still isn't cutting strong, and still not running at full speed.
I was more confused at the Woodhead comment.... who plays in Baltimore.We saw him last year try to comeback and he didn't look the same. We then saw KC drop him. Not trade him, just straight up fire him. Then we see Denver sign him to a nothing contract will almost nothing guaranteed. Then he has been barely practicing and certainly not with the ones. All the reports I have heard from camp are that while he is fully released as healthy he still isn't cutting strong, and still not running at full speed.
Maybe Denver is hiding something to unveil week 1, but I don't see it. Maybe he gets a scat back role on passing downs. But maybe just maybe he is toast and wont make the final 53.
I'm with ya. I'll be targeting Graham and Eifert as I think they're the two most undervalued TEs at their current ADP. If I miss on those two, I'll be punting the position and end up with an Ebron or Dwayne Allen type in the late rounds.I think J. Graham is being drafted too late. I have him and Kelce similarly valued.
Yes, Ross is small. So is Antonio Brown, Tyreek Hill, Brandin Cooks, etc. Based on what I saw in college, he can be a lot more than the Mike Wallace/Desean Jackson comp I see getting thrown around. AJ Green is the number 1 in the passing game and Eiffert will get looks. OTOH, Rishard, Decker and Walker are likely going to get similar target numbers to AJ+Eiffert.Corey Davis a true #1 WR. Ross is a small speedster. If Davis is healthy to start the season, I think he should be closer to a 8th or 9th round pick. I don't have Ross on my draft board as AJ Green is that passing game.
I agree- I especially love Eiffert's value. He is healthy now and on a per game basis, only Gronk and Reed can compete with him.I'm with ya. I'll be targeting Graham and Eifert as I think they're the two most undervalued TEs at their current ADP. If I miss on those two, I'll be punting the position and end up with an Ebron or Dwayne Allen type in the late rounds.
The problem is Charles is still not even ready to play. He is sitting out this week of preseason. I can't see any reason to draft him at this point.Charles seems like a guy who would shoot up higher if he had one good run in preseason
The difference is Charles injury happened in week 5 of 2015, Woodhead's was week 2 of 2016. We around 22 months removed from Charles injury and every indication has been negative.Well where is Jamaal Charles going? He's an all time great coming off a similar injury.......
My bad.I was more confused at the Woodhead comment.... who plays in Baltimore.
I am seeing Corey Davis go early 10th and John Ross going end of the 12th. I know in late rounds the ADP difference is less meaningful, but why are these 2 so far apart?
Both were picked very high, both have been bothered by injuries, both are on offenses that have made players good for fantasy, both QB situations are above average and stable. Are people sleeping on John Ross?
Yep. I obviously could be completely wrong but in dynasty I'd much rather have Malone at their costs. In redraft I'm avoiding Ross and won't be in a league deep enough to take Malone (in redraft.)Corey Davis a true #1 WR. Ross is a small speedster. If Davis is healthy to start the season, I think he should be closer to a 8th or 9th round pick. I don't have Ross on my draft board as AJ Green is that passing game.
Who? ?Herrick Henery is RB50 for me not RB34
The titans run a lot of two WR sets so as long is Davis is one of the top two backs he will see more than one of Decker and Rishard. I used to think it was going to be that Decker would be one of the two by I think he is the 3rd WR and mostly used on 3rd downs and redzone which has value, but not enough to justify his draft spot.@-OZ- @abbottjamesr Is size the main reason you see a big difference between the two for redraft? I know AJG is going to command 140 targets, but when you factor in what Decker and Rishard will get, plus the likelihood the Bengals throw the ball more than the Titans (they threw 60 more passes last year), doesn't that level the target potential?
Ross just began practicing. I am curious to hear reports. I know Davis had glowing reports but then got hurt again. It might just come down to who can actually stay healthy. I look at Ross and see the athletic gifts of Tyreek Hill + the receiver profile of a super stud prospect. Ross has 100th percentile speed, 86th percentile burst,93rd percentile breakout age, 86th percentile ypr, 63rd percentile college dominator. He's a superb prospect and I'll inject those John Ross highlights right into my veins.The titans run a lot of two WR sets so as long is Davis is one of the top two backs he will see more than one of Decker and Rishard. I used to think it was going to be that Decker would be one of the two by I think he is the 3rd WR and mostly used on 3rd downs and redzone which has value, but not enough to justify his draft spot.
I just havn't heard anything about Ross this preseason to get excited. Between Green, Bernard, Mixon, Eifert I just don't know whats left as well.
MFL has his standard ADP at 91 and PPR at 78. Definitely willing to pay that price in PPR.Weebs210 said:Danny Woodhead standard adp is low 40s right now. That is way to high.
FF Calculator has him at 80 in standard and 46 PPR.MFL has his standard ADP at 91 and PPR at 78. Definitely willing to pay that price in PPR.
I'm just not a fan of Ross. Injury risk seems higher with him for one, second he's a deep threat and fairly low on the totem pole in Cincy. Davis has the potential to be the top receiver in Nashville and the better qb.@-OZ- @abbottjamesr Is size the main reason you see a big difference between the two for redraft? I know AJG is going to command 140 targets, but when you factor in what Decker and Rishard will get, plus the likelihood the Bengals throw the ball more than the Titans (they threw 60 more passes last year), doesn't that level the target potential?
Mariotta has more upside down the road but I think it's debateable as to which QB is better right now.in Nashville and the better qb.
Eiffert doesn't get a lot of targets. If you look at his targets per game over the last 2 years, it comes out to 92 per 16. Ross can get more targets than that. Boyd and Lafell shouldn't threaten his numbers.I'm just not a fan of Ross. Injury risk seems higher with him for one, second he's a deep threat and fairly low on the totem pole in Cincy. Davis has the potential to be the top receiver in Nashville and the better qb.
Cincy's offense could be interesting this year. Green and eifert clearly 1 and 2, then their backs will be involved as possibly a 3 headed monster. But really aside from green and eifert I'm staying away.