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RB Ronald Jones, Cowboys (2 Viewers)
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JPeso
Footballguy
I’m a millennial and I just bought my first share of RoJo from an impatient baby boomer. I still don’t really like RoJo but it felt like I got him for free.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Avery
Footballguy
He's looked really bad, in camp and in games, overall. Acquiring him could be a good move depending on cost of acquisition. I just can't imagine those that drafted him and looking to sell for pennies on the dollar this point.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I had Quizz Rodgers getting a decent share of carries. It sounds preposterous but he’s been with Koetter for awhile. Apparently he loves the guy because he’s always getting close to 100 carries. Koetter also tries to get 600 pass attempts, I just don’t see massive upside at RB with the offense in place as it is. It’s clear the passing game question marks in college are now clear works in progress. He struggled running anything but offtackle in college and it seems the Bucs do not understand that. Crazy to me that a GM who could identify Howard, Evans, Godwin (and I think Justin Watson will be a deep sleeper that comes through at some point) is also a guy who wasted a high pick on a kicker and drafted a RB he didn’t understand the strengths and weaknesses of. I haven’t been a fan of Ronald Jones but he’s also 21, don’t go jump off a bridge yet. He’ll be given a lot of opportunity to grow, I just think he needs quite a bit of improvement and is probably not a true workhorse due to where his weaknesses are.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Why the #### did I draft this guy again?
btemp
Footballguy
This is completely correct.
The depth chart will likely be Barber-Rodgers-Jones-Shaun Wilson with Barber/Rodgers splitting 3rd down duties and Wilson potentially working in.
Jones has limited upside because he's only a 2 down back (which is stupid in today's NFL). I'd expect very little from him in 2017, barring injury.
The counter-argument is that the Bucs invested a 2nd round pick in him and will give him every chance to shine. Medium-term he might be the Bucs best runner on the team, but if he can't improve in pass pro or catch the football (which he couldn't do at USC and hasn't done with the Bucs) his upside is very limited.
massraider
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
I mean yea. He hasn’t looked good but he’s had like one half of a game worth of carries.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m not a Jones fan but there’s no denying it’s a small sample size. One good game in Week 3 and that would be rendered meaningless.
zamboni
Footballguy
That’s the issue. Hard to know if he’s going to be good even if early returns are poor.
Not a big college follower so I’m only going off the buzz. Clearly the Bucs thought highly enough of him to take him in the 2nd, but doesn’t mean a whole lot.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Still leery of RoJo. My original concern was does he have enough lead in his pants for his skill set, which is a concern for virtually all smaller RBs.
He's GOT to be a competent receiver to even have a chance at being a long-term feature back. I don't believe Barber is the answer so Jones is likely to get a shot at some point, but not sure what he can do with it.
RoJo is one of those guys who I'll neither bang the table for or totally dismiss (like Abdullah). I like some parts of his game, but it's very questionable whether he's going to be worth a pick in the top-half of the 1st round in rookie drafts.
He's GOT to be a competent receiver to even have a chance at being a long-term feature back. I don't believe Barber is the answer so Jones is likely to get a shot at some point, but not sure what he can do with it.
RoJo is one of those guys who I'll neither bang the table for or totally dismiss (like Abdullah). I like some parts of his game, but it's very questionable whether he's going to be worth a pick in the top-half of the 1st round in rookie drafts.
squistion
Footballguy
Then you are probably the last person in the world to say it is now a buyer's market.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Other than the fact that he's disappointed in preseason and I've done fantasy long enough to know that some owners are fickle and will move on as a result, yeah, I'm the last person to say that. Surely his value is higher now than it was back when he was first drafted in rookie drafts, right?
Why are you even replying to me?
squistion
Footballguy
Because you posted in this thread and said something I found ridiculous.
As far as I know, responses to posts that say things such as If you're a fan, no better time to buy are allowed by the mods in this forum.
identikit
Footballguy
This was the snarky response that added nothing to the topic.
I think Joe would want us to be better than this.
squistion
Footballguy
If so, then I apologize for the snark.
However, someone who has never ever liked Jones should not be advising others on a buy now opportunity, which was the point I was trying to make.
identikit
Footballguy
Thanks.
Although no one needs to be a fan to know relative values and what the pulse of FF is currently at.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Anybody could figure out now would be a good time to buy, if you're a fan. Right now, I'd like to sell for 75 cents on my dollar, but I doubt there is a human in any of my leagues that will take him. But if someone made an offer that included someone *they* thought was only worth 50 cents, but who *I* think is worth more, I'm probably dealing him. Maybe Crowell plus? IDK.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
bust. P. Barber is the guy to own. there's fantasy value in this backfield, the way Winston looks , he's going to set things on fire this year - the offense is going to have some punch to it..I like what I'm seeing and if Winston plays like that when it counts, the running game will be impressive..you can't stack 8 in the box Winston will fling it around. the running lanes should be there for Barber..major sleeper potential here.
RJ looks like a misfit out there.
RJ looks like a misfit out there.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I've heard their O line is not so great, but I agree they have so many weapons that it will be impossible to key on the run. And if Jones really is a bust then yeah Barber is probably undervalued right now. I sure would like to see Jones get more than 4 carries in a game, though.Tanner9919 said:
Jones only getting 4 carries in a preseason game should already tell you everything you need to know..... He will not see any meaningful time unless Barber gets hurt until he can figure out the offense, which will be around mid season probably. He can't catch either so that's why I stayed away from the get go. In PPR what's to like about an undersized RB who can't catch at ALL and can't block?? Going to be hard to see the field with that skill set is all IMO.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
In redraft not-so-much. It may take him a year to figure it out, if you will. But you can see the ability. Although he hasn't caught a pass, watch him sink his hips on his routes. He's fluid. We all know he has speed even if he hasn't showed it on his 8 carries. Peyton Barber can't keep Ronnie off the field in the long run.
I see the same career path as one of his comps: Chris Johnson.
I see the same career path as one of his comps: Chris Johnson.
I hate to say it but yeah, it looks like that. Already he was behind the 8 ball bc he's a small guy, can't handle a large workload or run up the middle drumbeat, etc. Throw in the inability to pass protect, and can't catch the ball? Does not look good at all. Looking like a one trick pony who at least for this year will be a COP back to barber.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Didn’t he run over a 4.65 at the combine and a 4.48 at his pro day (which are always faster) - for a 205 pound back, that’s isn’t fast.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Well yeah it sure seems to be the case. I only have him in one redraft and I took Barber in that one. Two dynasties, though, but he can ride on my taxi until I sell him for #### or eventually cut him. Sigh.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I thought he ran the combine with a tweaked hamstring, or tweaked it on that particular heat, I forget. But yeah not super fast.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
IDK, maybe I'm crazy, but watching him play makes me think he can run pretty fast. I could be wrong. Speed is overrated anyway. I know he's quick. I know he's fluid. He has good vision and running instincts. The talent is there.
Based on this thread he's an excellent buy low.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
It's ok. I basically screwed the pooch on him. I'll hold and hope. I don't think he is doing anything week 4 that will change the situation.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
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MAC_32
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Well, so, his tape was definitely one of the things that sold me on him. But that was back in May, when my draft decisions were less informed than they are now. Or so you'd think. But the steady drumbeat has been all negative. 8 darn carries behind a crappy back up O line and 2 targets doesn't quite do enough for me. But the coaches and reporters all saying the same thing in camp, and the pass pro question. I'm holding in dynasty or willing to sell 75 cents on a dollar, and staying away in redraft.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Thanks I was trying to “win” afterall. I was just reporting facts.
The claim was he pulled his hamstring during the combine but there was no word of injury during his pro day. This is the first I heard that from you. players that are injured would postpone their pro day or wouldn’t run if they couldn’t.
And I did pass when I had the chance to - not impressed by him. I’m not holding what he’s done, or hasn’t, so far against him but it’s surely troubling and I’m glad I passed.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
this thread is crazy. I think I will make an offer in every league. See if I can catch a panicking owner
Football Jones
Footballguy
You make a good point if you were high on RoJo initially. I think you have to go with your original assessment until it becomes evident it needs adjusting.
That said, some of us were leery from the start. Like I said earlier, Jones isn't an automatic dismissal for me like Abdullah was, but I'm concerned he doesn't have the overall skills to be a long-term feature back at his size (weight).
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
I'm with you on the re-draft. But for dynasty, I'll ask you what from pre-season/camp has changed what you liked with his college film? Did you draft him for his pass protection?
Like the guy above has pointed out, dude just turned 21. Still young. He needs to learn some things and develop. He hasn't done magnificent in pre-season in limited opportunities. He's had like 8 carries. On the few routes he's run, on his few carries, he's provided a glimpse of what he can do.
The drum-beat will provide a lower price. The book says to double down on 9s and 10s.
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