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Didn't consider at all last year at his ADP but ended up with him as my RB4 in an way too early redraft. I'm fine with that price and whatever his fate via draft holds. Guy's obviously got talent. They can't go into 2020 with him as the every down every series 3-down guy IMO. There's still going to be value there for him so long as can stay healthy

Obviously may change post-draft but he went for less at auction than all of Swift/Taylor/Akers/Dobbins. Same price as Clyde Edwards (who I actually like the most for redraft purposes)

 

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You like Martha Ford that much?

I think the fear with Kerryon is that Detroit is committed to rbbc and that Patricia will be too. Kerryon was also a polarizing prospect because he changed his running style to emulate Leveon bell and

Kerryon Johnson deserves more touches moving forward. Somethings are just obvious.

7 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

LT Decker is in his final year, they let RT Wagner go and paid a backup (Eagles Vatau) to replace him. Not confident that ends up a positive. They let one of their most talented lineman (Glasgow) walk. They are depleted and what remains are more questions than answers. But with Patricia on the firing line this season and his “expertise” being on the defensive side, I expect them to be defense heavy this draft as he tries to prove something for his potential next job. 

If they get a decent OL inside the first 3 picks I would be happy. Other 2 would be defense for me.

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Kenny Golladay laughs in the face of regression as the safest fantasy football option on the Detroit Lions

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This backfield got way more complicated when the Lions drafted Georgia’s D’Andre Swift. Is the disparity in the ADPs of Swift (74.1 ADP) and Kerryon Johnson (113.6) correct — or should we avoid this situation entirely?

Liz: Since entering the league, Johnson has struggled with knee issues. A sprain to his left knee cost the Auburn product six games in 2018 (Weeks 12-17) and surgery on his right knee forced him to sit out eight games in 2019 (Weeks 8-15). It’s no secret that Matt Patricia wants to employ an effective and explosive run-first offense, which can’t happen without a standout rusher. So it makes sense that the franchise would want insurance behind Johnson ... and the fact that they used an early second-round pick on Swift signals that the team has grown impatient with Kerryon’s injury issues.

While Swift is a dynamic runner with excellent vision and instincts — considered by many to be the most complete back in this year’s draft — his inconsistent pad level leaves him vulnerable to injury. In fact, he comps most similarly to Davlin Cook, who has struggled with his own durability issues (knee, hamstring, shoulder) since entering the league. Ultimately, as previously discussed, I’m wary of Detroit’s offensive line and would prefer to fade this backfield altogether. However, if managers are committed to adding shares of this RB group, then the advantage goes to the fresher legs. Swift should be rostered ahead of Johnson. For reference, Swift is the Yahoo Consensus ranked RB27 while Johnson is at RB38.

Scott: These are reactive picks for me, not proactive picks. I don’t see Swift as a can’t-miss guy, nor do I consider Johnson an obvious risk of being mothballed. I expect both to play a fair amount, and the Lions to sink-or-swim through the air, anyway.

Matt: I don’t think I’ll be bothering figuring out this split prior to the season. Johnson hasn’t been a bad player thus far in his career and Swift is unlikely to usurp him to the point that he’s completely irrelevant. We also shouldn’t assume that Swift is a lock to lead the team in touches, especially if a truncated offseason puts him behind the eight-ball. If we do get a split backfield here, the Lions offense is unlikely to be juicy enough to support two relevant backs in fantasy. Swift is ranked as the RB27 in FantasyPros consensus rankings. That’s way too aggressive but I don’t think I’ll be taking the cheaper option (Johnson at RB40) either. It’s just a pass.

 

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Kerryon Johnson was spotted in a knee brace at training camp.

It’s not something we haven't seen with players coming off knee injuries. Still, it’s fair to question how healthy Johnson is. Johnson has missed 14-of-32 games the last two years. The odds are against him playing a full season.

SOURCE: lions.com

Aug 16, 2020, 10:53 AM ET

 

 

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NFL Beat Writers @32Beat Writers 

“I’m getting a little worried about Kerryon Johnson... It appears he’s still healing from last year’s injury. Reports out of training camp are that the Lions are still limiting him — giving him scheduled “maintenance“ days. And he’s still wearing a big brace on his knee.”

https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1296403493373214721?s=21

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KERRYON JOHNSON RB, DETROIT LIONS

Lions beat writer Tim Twentyman said "it's expected" that rookie RB D'Andre Swift and Kerryon Johnson "will share the backfield in a running-back-by-committee approach."

A split Detroit backfield isn't entirely unexpected, of course. Both backs excel in the pass game, and either guy would be valuable if the other missed time this season. Johnson, who was spotted this week wearing a knee brace, has missed 14 games in his first two years in the league. He was listed as a full participant in the Lions' Thursday practice. Swift seems most likely to be the "1A" back, and is correctly being drafted first.  

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Per Rotoworld...

The Detroit Free Press reports Kerryon Johnson will likely open the season in a starting role.

The Lions don’t have a choice with D’Andre Swift (leg) sidelined. Johnson’s snaps are still likely to be managed given his injury history, but he’s going to open the year as the touch favorite. That could change once Swift gets healthy. Johnson doesn't have much leash on the starting role.

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SOURCE: Detroit Free Press
Aug 29, 2020, 10:17 AM ET
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In reference to the bolded above, check this out

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/22/kerryon-johnson-injury-history/

 

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Kerryon Johnson rushed 8 times for 32 yards and a touchdown in the Lions' Week 2 loss to the Packers.

Johnson started the game and went the distance on the opening drive for a short touchdown. He then rotated with veteran Adrian Peterson (7 carries) on the ground with rookie D'Andre Swift (5 carries, 5 targets) playing more passing downs. It's a situation to avoid if at all possible with no end in sight. None of the backs looked fantastic in Week 2, but at least face the Cardinals next week. Of the three, Swift has the most appeal given his target upside.

- Rotoworld

 

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Good to see a pulse from him the last couple of weeks.   I've written him off for 2020 short of a new coach, AP release, or injury.   I couldn't bring myself to drop him in dynasty despite really needing  the roster spot.   Hoping for new scenery in 2021, although I'm guessing that the #2 in a somewhat even timeshare is probably as good as it gets.   Basically what I was projecting for this season after the Swift pick and before Peterson.   I'm thinking that the realistic best-case scenario for 2021 might be staying in Detroit for the final year of the contract, being a not too distant #2 in a 2-man RB show under a new coach.   

I'm hoping that his pass protection skills ultimately gets him a real chance at a lead role in a good offense.  Am I kidding myself?   Does he still pass the eye test in the limited action that he gets?

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12 hours ago, sushinsky4tsar said:

Good to see a pulse from him the last couple of weeks.   I've written him off for 2020 short of a new coach, AP release, or injury.   I couldn't bring myself to drop him in dynasty despite really needing  the roster spot.   Hoping for new scenery in 2021, although I'm guessing that the #2 in a somewhat even timeshare is probably as good as it gets.   Basically what I was projecting for this season after the Swift pick and before Peterson.   I'm thinking that the realistic best-case scenario for 2021 might be staying in Detroit for the final year of the contract, being a not too distant #2 in a 2-man RB show under a new coach.   

I'm hoping that his pass protection skills ultimately gets him a real chance at a lead role in a good offense.  Am I kidding myself?   Does he still pass the eye test in the limited action that he gets?

I think he is a talented back but you need to be on the field. Had he stayed healthy early in his career I doubt he would have Swift to contend with.

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3 hours ago, King of the Jungle said:

I think he is a talented back but you need to be on the field. Had he stayed healthy early in his career I doubt he would have Swift to contend with.

Agree 100%. For dynasty purposes, he's probably at best in a timeshare with Swift next year. Unfortunately, by the time he's an UFA after 2021, there may not be a big market for him. Stranger things have happened, but the window of opportunity for starting RBs is not that long and his may have closed unless he lucks out with injuries to other guys.

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9 minutes ago, Kiddnets said:

He should be getting the carries behind Swift.....any carries to Peterson is a complete waste at this point

 

I think everyone except for Matty Patty and  members of AP’s family would agree with you.

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2 minutes ago, zamboni said:

I think everyone except for Matty Patty and  members of AP’s family would agree with you.

Coaches love these old vets like AP and Gore....tough as nail guys who do the things coaches want...perfect for a team in the mix....complete waste of developing young players on teams out of it....at some point the GM/ownership has to demand they play the rooks....this is a big reason why some coaches should be fired mid season.....they want to start old reliable when they have no stake in future.  

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I guess I'm going to be pulling hard for the Washington Football team this weekend.    That would have to be the last straw for Patricia, right?   Show AP the door and at least see Kerryon get enough carries that he can start to turn the tide on the injury concerns IF he can stay healthy.

Aside from durability, my concern is that I might be holding a candle for a guy that simply isn't the same runner that got people riled up in limited action during his rookie year.   Follows up a 5.4 YPC with a 3.6 in limited time in 2019 and a 3.8 in even more limited time in 2020.   So limited and game-script oriented that you can't draw any hard conclusions.   However, still running with a knee brace for confidence and planning to for the foreseeable future?   Patricia is what he is as a head coach.  I can write off the AP signing as obvious and understandable injury insurance given KJ's history and the rookie dealing with something of his own.  But to ride him over Kerryon in a make or break season?  It's Patricia, but it's still not a positive sign.   I'm certainly not proposing that Kerryon sucks now, I'm just wondering if post-injuries we're talking about a guy that's closer to 92% of the guy we saw in his rookie year, pushing him into the upper fringes of JAG territory.  A non-durable one at that.    Otherwise, if he's 98%+ of what we saw as a rookie, gets more carries in the second half  and stays healthy, you would have to think that there will be a number of teams pounding the table for his services this offseason if Detroit isn't planning to give him a significant role behind Swift.   

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Just waived - seems like the writing was on the wall after the Jamaal Williams signing.

Clearly doesn’t seem like the same as he was pre-injury, but he could still make some noise if he resurfaces in a good spot.

Surprisingly, he’s still only 23.

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Lions waived RB Kerryon Johnson.

Johnson was the 43rd overall pick in the 2018 draft and was headed into the final year of his rooked deal. Knee injuries have been his downfall in the pros. Johnson missed 14 games across his first two seasons before being pushed down the depth chart to No. 3 duties last season. Johnson mustered a combined 283-1,225-8 rushing line in Detroit and could use the change of scenery. The Lions are moving forward with D’Andre Swift and Jamaal Williams as their backfield tandem.

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Really good in pass pro, might catch on with someone. Just too many leg injuries & lost his explosiveness. Useful back in the right situation but probably the end of the line.

Great Twitter follow. Don’t know if he has any broadcasting ability but he’s got an awesome personality.

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$1.3M cap savings for the Lions.   Not surprising that they would take that at RB3 and go with the rookie.  I know his YPC points to damaged goods.   Any Lions fans actually able to get eye balls on his limited carries to confirm that he simply isn't anywhere close to the same back?  Any chance that his fall in DET is more about durability concerns than it is that he's nowhere near the same player?

As BL indicated, he's good in pass protection.   I also thought I saw something related to PFF.  Along the lines of belonging to the top quartile of RBs that graded in the top half of all RBs for rushing, receiving, and pass protection grades.   Don't hold me to that, but something along those lines for this past season, which I found surprising based purely on his numbers.   Obviously, rushing and receiving were just above the mark if there's any truth to this.

If he ends up in Atlanta, I'm interested.  If he ends up as a pass protection depth option in KC, I'm interested.   But yeah, I realize I'm grasping for trace levels of fantasy value.

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Eagles claimed RB Kerryon Johnson off waivers from the Lions.

It’s a surprising move as Philadelphia also added receiving-back Kenny Gainwell in the fifth round of the 2021 NFL Draft. With Boston Scott, Jordan Howard and Johnson also on the roster, it’s possible Miles Sanders is merely viewed as a two-down back by the new coaching staff, with Howard coming in for goal line carries and Gainwell being dispersed on passing downs. Sanders himself should be considered a low-end RB2 until roles are defined.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

May 7, 2021, 4:09 PM ET

 

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NBC Sports Edge take:

It’s a surprising move as Philadelphia also added receiving-back Kenny Gainwell in the fifth round of the 2021 NFL Draft. With Boston Scott, Jordan Howard and Johnson also on the roster,

I was hopeful Kerryon might sign somewhere he could compete for an immediate role, but this seems like one of the worst places he could have signed.  Disappointing.

I would have loved to have seen Kerryon with the Chargers or Dolphins or Jets.

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Yuck for Kerryon.  Yuck for Gainwell.   Yuck for Scott and Howard.   

He needs to get enough action in 2021 that staying healthy will actually mean something.  Get this guy to free agency and a rotational role that could actually matter.

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19 hours ago, sushinsky4tsar said:

$1.3M cap savings for the Lions.   Not surprising that they would take that at RB3 and go with the rookie.  I know his YPC points to damaged goods.   Any Lions fans actually able to get eye balls on his limited carries to confirm that he simply isn't anywhere close to the same back?  Any chance that his fall in DET is more about durability concerns than it is that he's nowhere near the same player?

As BL indicated, he's good in pass protection.   I also thought I saw something related to PFF.  Along the lines of belonging to the top quartile of RBs that graded in the top half of all RBs for rushing, receiving, and pass protection grades.   Don't hold me to that, but something along those lines for this past season, which I found surprising based purely on his numbers.   Obviously, rushing and receiving were just above the mark if there's any truth to this.

If he ends up in Atlanta, I'm interested.  If he ends up as a pass protection depth option in KC, I'm interested.   But yeah, I realize I'm grasping for trace levels of fantasy value.

He's good catching the ball and in pass protection, but his rookie year, he was absolutely electric when he got the ball, and almost always made the first guy miss and picked up extra yards. You just didn't see that last year - he looked fine running the ball, but nothing special.

So he was either still a little dinged up last year, or the injuries just sapped a little bit of the quickness that made him special. Good guy - I'll be pulling for him to succeed.

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1 hour ago, sushinsky4tsar said:

Yuck for Kerryon.  Yuck for Gainwell.   Yuck for Scott and Howard.   

He needs to get enough action in 2021 that staying healthy will actually mean something.  Get this guy to free agency and a rotational role that could actually matter.

You forgot: yuck for Sanders. Seems highly likely he's going to lose passing down work with the guys they are bringing in.

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3 hours ago, socrates said:

I was hopeful Kerryon might sign somewhere he could compete for an immediate role, but this seems like one of the worst places he could have signed.  Disappointing.

I would have loved to have seen Kerryon with the Chargers or Dolphins or Jets.

Many Lions fans are saying he's completely toast, not sure his landing spot matters except in book theory or on an excel sheet looking back at what he was projected to do coming INTO the NFL, since he's been here it doesn't warrant him going anywhere and seizing control. He couldn't do it in Detroit, likelihood anywhere else is slim at this point. 

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2 hours ago, jtd13 said:

You forgot: yuck for Sanders. Seems highly likely he's going to lose passing down work with the guys they are bringing in.

I worry this is right.  Kerryon doesn’t scare me.  Gainwell doesn’t scare me.  But he’s surely going to give up some passing game work to these guys.

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9 hours ago, jm192 said:

I worry this is right.  Kerryon doesn’t scare me.  Gainwell doesn’t scare me.  But he’s surely going to give up some passing game work to these guys.

Yeah, it seems like a tell that the new staff seems to take want to bring in a passing game specialist. 

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17 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Many Lions fans are saying he's completely toast, not sure his landing spot matters except in book theory or on an excel sheet looking back at what he was projected to do coming INTO the NFL, since he's been here it doesn't warrant him going anywhere and seizing control. He couldn't do it in Detroit, likelihood anywhere else is slim at this point. 

4the best in RB pass pro last year [league wide per PFF]

+ awesome sense of humor / sweet Twitter feed / good interview 

 

So if you need a guy who can block, occasionally catch a ball, fall forward three yards, AND keep the locker room loosie goosey, look to the Wizzanator

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20 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

If I'm on defense and I see the Wizz,  I'm playing pass.

RPO gonna Hurt you anyway

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I’m perfectly happy taking Miles in redraft full PPR as my RB2/3 or Flex at whatever his ADP ends up at in late August 

he’s the only Philly back with value in that genre (IMO) & hopeful all this pearl clutching will drive his value down 

he’s kind of special

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While I don't think this kills Sanders value, it does limit his ceiling.

Meanwhile.....I'm not so sure Johnson is worthless in this scenario. Worth a flyer late rounds and wouldn't be surprised to see flex/low end RB2 value

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6 hours ago, renesauz said:

While I don't think this kills Sanders value, it does limit his ceiling.

Meanwhile.....I'm not so sure Johnson is worthless in this scenario. Worth a flyer late rounds and wouldn't be surprised to see flex/low end RB2 value

Gotta think Scott and our Rookie RB both get a decent amount of work.  Would be shocked to see KJ play much of a roll at all if he makes the team.

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