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QB Sam Darnold, MIN (2 Viewers)
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$17-18M for 2021, $20-21M in 2022.
If you are desperate and don't have what you think is serviceable he might be "affordable".
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You're right that it would be a similar situation if Darnold flames out - But he would cost about $3m than TB will next year. But obviously they don't expect him to fail.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Teddy would carry a $21M cap hit for the 2021 season to a new team if traded. CAR would have to eat a $5M cap charge. NE has $12M in cap space (but still has to eat money from Patrick Chung retiring and sign their rookies). So him ending up in NE would be a challenge unless his deal was redone prior to the trade.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think he means it solidifies a QB at #2. That was pretty well set in stone before, but you can remove the "pretty well" now.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Broncos have $28m in space and George Paton was in Minnesota when Teddy was there. That'd be intriguing.
kittenmittens
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kittenmittens
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
I think the opposite. IMO, they are now less like to draft a QB if one is available there. That makes them more likely to trade down if someone hit them with a big offer for their pick.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
If a QB falls to them and they don't draft him they are even dumber than I thought.
Banking on a retread who has shown nothing in 3 years is a terrible plan.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I tend to agree but I think it's a moot point. Four QBs are going to go ahead of Carolina's pick. Which is why I think they made this move.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
That is assuming no one else is willing to trade up. CHI and WFT are still in play, and to a lesser extent teams like PIT or NOS. I think it will depend who falls and how far. I still doubt anyone lands in the Patriots lap without them having to move up.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Agreed, but there are 5 that they should take though I think.
If they are not stupid, they assume all 5 will be gone by pick 8 and they can't trade up cheaply enough.
Sorry I mean trade up I guess. I mean trade early, less likely to trade earlier in the draft.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Should have just signed Josh Rosen 
Anarchy99
Footballguy
As I mentioned twice already . . . then why bother trading for Darnold NOW? wait until after the draft and see who you can get in the draft. They could also then see which displaced QBs would be available besides Darnold. And of course they could still have traded for Darnold. Why on earth would they trade for Darnold AND guarantee him almost $19M for next year?
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
No, he managed to show nothing and not have to be tied to Gase. I’m certainly not writing off a guy that was drafted into the worst ran organization and possessed the least talent on the offensive side of the ball in the entire league. Breshad Perriman was his number 1 WR last year and Frank Gore was his starting running back for God’s sake.Should have just signed Josh Rosen
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I would not expect NE to do a pick swap and then trade two additional firsts and a third like SF did with the Jets. I have been following what the NE beat guys have been saying, and they seem to feel the most NE would likely offer to move up is a first round pick swap and a 2nd and a 3rd. Or a first round pick swap and a future first. Basically, way less than the Niners gave up.
But again, I think a lot will depend on which guys drop and how far. I don't think they would go from 15 to 4 to take Lance or Jones, but they might for Fields. IMO, with each spot that a QB drops, the more likely a team will leap frog past NE to take him.
See I thought Carolina would be competition to move up to take QB. And feared Pats trading at bargain bin for Darnold. Both are less likely now. So I view this as a better position for Pats now. Yes, I’m thinking of trading down to 4 for Lance or Fields.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Multiple places today have indicated that ATL is open to trade down and is shopping their pick. They are so in bed with Matt Ryan that it would be really difficult to get off the $65M cap hit they will have to take on him across the next three years. It would be bad business for them to take a QB at 4. They would either be wasting the benefit of a low dollar QB for multiple years, have the biggest contract on the team sitting for years, or eating a GIGANTIC cap hit by getting rid of Ryan.
Don’t overlook that division rivals don’t trade often. You win division you usually make playoffs. So...
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I think Lance has bust written all over him. Youngest guy available, hasn't played in a year, only 17 starts, played in a cupcake league. As others have mentioned, more of a runner than a passer.
IMO, CAR acquiring Darnold doesn't move the needle at all for NE. It just means the Panthers are more likely to move their pick to a team that DOES need a QB.
rockaction
Footballguy
He already beat out Darnold once, it was just that Darnold had gone number three to the Jets that year.
Hoo baby. This is fire-in-the-hole type stuff right here today.
I’d guess Carolina Thinks they won’t get a better arm talent than Darnold. Atlanta probably refused trade in division. Teddy has big contract. They want reset at QB.
styleride85
Footballguy
Sam is better than Sam.
In all seriousness, I think Sam is better than Teddy. They're probably hoping Sam is like Tanny and just sucked under Gase with zero weapons, and can be good with better coaching/weapons.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Anyone who saw Bridgewater thus year knows he had a very un-Bridgewater year. Surprisingly inefficient; you didn't see the Teddy you saw as a Saint at all. There are times he legit held the offense back with mistakes/odd misses (Vikings game comes to mind) and I think Carolina wants to take a shot with a guy who has more upside.
Teddy hit his ceiling and couldn't really push through in 2020; to be fair he didn't have a camp and lost his top RB early. However, the way Mike Davis played that team should have been better.
Teddy hit his ceiling and couldn't really push through in 2020; to be fair he didn't have a camp and lost his top RB early. However, the way Mike Davis played that team should have been better.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not true.
If he doesn't redo his deal . . .
- $20 million in dead cap, $2.9M in cap savings if released before June 1
- $10 million in dead cap, $12.9M in cap savings if traded by June 1
- $15 million in dead cap 2021 and $5 million in 2022, $7.9M in cap savings if released after 6/1
- $5 million in dead cap 2021 and $5 million in 2022, $17.9M in cap savings if traded after 6/1.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
This seems like a really bad move for Carolina. Darnold had nothing around him but he looked bad, real bad. Hopefully they are not done dealing or they have a fair amount of money wrapped up in two backup QBs.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Great move for Carolina. That owner Tepper is running rings around the rest of the NFL, his time in Pittsburgh served him well. It's a good thing he is hands on and involved on every move, other owners are sipping red wine and smoking stogies while this guy just cannot stop putting his personal paw print on every player personnel move, thank goodness he arrived and got that Head Coach out of there, that guy didn't do much at his next stop, right? He didn't win the Division or nothing.
Not like he paid a 1st for Darnold or nothing, just a 6th...oh and a 4th...and a 2nd. They'll never feel it in Carolina.
Tepperware Party in full swing!
Not like he paid a 1st for Darnold or nothing, just a 6th...oh and a 4th...and a 2nd. They'll never feel it in Carolina.
Tepperware Party in full swing!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That said, last post...I actually like Darnold's chances better in Carolina where he has a solid OL and a super running game, decent receivers plus the Superback behind him who catches everything.
Just saying there are worse teams for him to land on if he has even a shred of talent left from when he was a Top-5 pick.
Just saying there are worse teams for him to land on if he has even a shred of talent left from when he was a Top-5 pick.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Ironically, he'll end up with a staff in Rhule and Brady that he could have had a few years ago had the Jets not told Rhule he couldn't hire his own assistants.
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
The grass is always greener with this one it seems. The guy who sucks we don't have is better than the guy we have and know sucks.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
More power to them if they can turn Darnold into an asset. They didn't have much luck working with Bridgewater. At this stage, who knows if Darnold is better, worse, or the same compared to Teddy B.
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