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25 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

The last part about Michel being "safely dropped" is just silly. No one has any idea what will happen with the NE backfield moving forward. They are just guessing that Harris is a HOFer and Michel will be considered a bum in short order. We know Michel can block, which in itself makes him valuable. We have no idea what Harris can or can't do and how the Pats will use him.

I stopped caring about the Pats backfield long ago. It’s very peaceful 

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If  NE's RB usage patterns give you pause something to consider, not a decision maker as there is a lot to consider here but a reason why I think this is a good landing spot for Michel and not worried

Just heard a 15 minute discussion about this exact issue on the radio. Last year, when Michel was in the game he got the ball 85% of the time. Because of that, teams have been playing 8 in the box. As

Let’s not exaggerate. It’s only been 22. 


 

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SONY MICHEL RB, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

ESPN's Field Yates reports the Patriots placed RB Sony Michel, G Shaq Mason and DE Derek Rivers on the COVID-19 list.

Headlined by Cam Newton, the Patriots have had a mini COVID outbreak for a couple of weeks now. It's confirmed that Michel did test positive, but Mason and Rivers fell in the NFL's new "high risk close contact" category of the COVID-19 list. The NFL has been aware of the situation and still plans to play Week 6 as scheduled. 

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Sony Michel (quad) returned to practice Thursday.

Michel was designated to return from injured reserve, which unlocks the 21-day window the organization has to activate him on gameday. He would still need to be activated from injured reserve in order to play on Monday night. It's something to monitor ahead of kick-off since Michel's potential availability would ruin Damien Harris' outlook as the latter is essentially being used in the same role.

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Patriots activated RB Sony Michel (quad) off injured reserve.

Michel has been practicing with the Patriots the last two weeks. Getting activated suggests he'll return Sunday after missing six games. With Damien Harris going over 100 yards two of the past three weeks, Michel is likely returning to the lesser half of a committee and may be on a snap count. The Patriots waived OL Hjalte Froholdt to make room for Michel.

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Nov 21, 2020, 10:38 AM ET

 

 

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Patriots RB Sony Michel is active for Week 12 against the Cardinals.

Michel was not on the injury report, but there was a chance he would be healthy scratched. That was the case in Week 11. Michel should not mix in for more than a handful of carries behind new workhorse Damien Harris, but it is wise never to take things for granted in the Patriots' backfield. Michel has zero Week 12 fantasy value even if he ends up hurting Harris'. Inactive for the Patriots are QB Brian Hoyer, RB J.J. Taylor, DE Tashawn Bower, DT Byron Cowart and WR Isaiah Ford. 

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Sony Michel was held without a touch in the Patriots' Week 12 win over the Cardinals.

Michel has gone from healthy scratch to zero touches since returning from his quad injury two games ago. Progress? The Pats are understandably sticking with Damien Harris on early downs. It's difficult to envision an opening for Michel, but coach Bill Belichick is ever unpredictable with his running backs. Belichick's backfield history still isn't reason enough to pluck Michel from the waiver wire. 

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Sony Michel rushed seven times for 22 yards in the Patriots' Week 14 loss to the Rams. 

With the Patriots' passing game off the rails, Michel was sprinkled in throughout behind Damien Harris, who turned 11 totes into 50 yards. Harris got shaken up late on a blitz pickup, so perhaps Michel will see increased Week 15 run. We can't imagine that happening if Harris is fully healthy, though. Michel, who turns 26 in February, could have trouble cracking the Patriots' 53-man roster in 2021. 

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Patriots' Sony Michel: Paces team in carries, rushing

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Michel ran for 74 yards on 10 carries, adding an eight-yard reception during Sunday's 22-12 loss to Miami.

With top back Damien Harris inactive for Week 15 because of an ankle injury, Michel garnered 10 of New England's 13 RB carries. The 2018 first-round draft choice excelled with the opportunity, establishing his second-highest rushing output of the season. Michel's fantasy value has been diminished by the fact that he hasn't scored a touchdown over six appearances since Week 1, but his 7.4 yards-per-carry average from Sunday is nevertheless encouraging heading into a matchup against the Bills' 21st-ranked rush defense.

 

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Sony Michel rushed 10 times for 69 yards in the Patriots' Week 16 loss to the Bills.

Michel's first carry went for 29 yards, and he later ripped off a 21-yarder in the first half. That was about it for him, as Michel paced the Patriots' backfield with Damien Harris (ankle) inactive. Michel is averaging over 5.9 yards per carry on limited reps this season but won't be anything more than a TD-dependent RB3/4 for Week 17 against the Jets.

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The Athletic's Jeff Howe said Damien Harris and Sony Michel "will be a solid one-two combo" in 2021. 

Howe added the Patriots drafted Oklahoma RB Rhamondre Stevenson with the 120th pick of the NFL Draft because Michel and Harris have struggled with injuries every year of their pro careers (Harris missed six 2020 games with an ankle injury while Michel was sidelined for seven games with a quad injury and COVID-19). Howe seems to think Harris and Michel will split the early-down role in New England this season even after Harris was the clearcut starter until the ankle issue. Stevenson is a big back (5’11/231) in the mold of LeGarrette Blount, who flourished in New England with Tom Brady at the helm. The rookie -- who compiled 1,180 yards and 13 touchdowns on 165 carries (7.2 YPC) across 19 collegiate games -- would be the Pats' early down back if Harris and Michel missed time in 2021. Whoever seizes the early-down banger role for the Patriots is going to have undeniable fantasy usefulness in the team's ultra run-heavy offense. It's a backfield to watch this summer, as per usual. 

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May 3, 2021, 5:19 PM ET

 

 

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ESPN's Mike Reiss reports RB Rhamondre Stevenson could "threaten" Sony Michel's roster spot.

The Pats drafting Stevenson in the fourth round after declining Michel's fifth-year option leaves open the chance New England will part ways with the veteran this summer. Reiss said Stevenson could be the preferred option over Michel "because he's more likely to be a factor on special teams. This appears to be a spot with quality depth, which the Patriots have needed in recent seasons because of injuries." Michel, 26, has struggled with injuries and failed to take on a consistent lead-back role for New England since being drafted in 2018. In 2020, he lost the starting gig to Damien Harris, who should retain the starting role this season. Stevenson, who totaled 1,180 rushing yards and 13 touchdowns on 165 carries (7.2 YPC) across 19 games at Oklahoma, would instantly become an interesting redraft target if Michel were to be released in the coming months. 

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I would count Reiss in the minority with regard to Michel being a potential roster cut. He looked and played like a different back last year (5.7 ypc). NE didn't opt for his 5th year extension, but that's mostly because they don't want to invest $4.5 million in Michel. His market is expected to be soft and the Pats could likely re-sign him for less than that. But I have not seen anyone suggest that Michel's roster spot is in jeopardy (unless he secretly has an undisclosed injury that hasn't been making the rounds).

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17 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I would count Reiss in the minority with regard to Michel being a potential roster cut. He looked and played like a different back last year (5.7 ypc). NE didn't opt for his 5th year extension, but that's mostly because they don't want to invest $4.5 million in Michel. His market is expected to be soft and the Pats could likely re-sign him for less than that. But I have not seen anyone suggest that Michel's roster spot is in jeopardy (unless he secretly has an undisclosed injury that hasn't been making the rounds).

I think you are correct he won't be cut but Mike Lombardi's latest podcast, which aired before the article by Reiss, he said that Michel was someone he felt they would try and trade.

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4 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I think you are correct he won't be cut but Mike Lombardi's latest podcast, which aired before the article by Reiss, he said that Michel was someone he felt they would try and trade.

And what can they get for Michel? My guess is nothing. 

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29 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I think you are correct he won't be cut but Mike Lombardi's latest podcast, which aired before the article by Reiss, he said that Michel was someone he felt they would try and trade.

The poster boy for being traded is Harry . . . and he is still on the roster. NE would eat $1.2M against the cap to save $1.8M in cap space by moving Michel. Realistically, what could they get for him . . . a 6th round pick if they are lucky?

IMO, Michel offers enough to keep him on the roster and split some of the RB workload compared to the amount they would have to spend to roster a different back for depth (meaning eating the $1.2M cap charge and then needing another RB for depth would get them close to what they are already giving Michel).

He's done what they have asked of him and has turned into an excellent blocker / blitz neutralizer. IMO, he sticks with NE and could also be back next season as well. 

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

I would count Reiss in the minority with regard to Michel being a potential roster cut. He looked and played like a different back last year (5.7 ypc). NE didn't opt for his 5th year extension, but that's mostly because they don't want to invest $4.5 million in Michel. His market is expected to be soft and the Pats could likely re-sign him for less than that. But I have not seen anyone suggest that Michel's roster spot is in jeopardy (unless he secretly has an undisclosed injury that hasn't been making the rounds).

It would make no sense to cut him on his rookie salary.

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Count me among those that agree with Anarchy99 and Dr. Octopus. It makes little sense to cut or trade him unless they have too many running backs to carry. I'm not sure what the case is regarding that, so there's potential, but it doesn't seem to make much economic sense in cutting him now.

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4 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I go to bed every night hoping they cut him do I can mercifully drop him from my roster. 

:lol: 

I did that two years ago.

He just never morphed into the guy we - or probably the the Pats - expected after being drafted in the 1st and having a solid rookie year. 

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4 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

The poster boy for being traded is Harry . . . and he is still on the roster. NE would eat $1.2M against the cap to save $1.8M in cap space by moving Michel. Realistically, what could they get for him . . . a 6th round pick if they are lucky?

IMO, Michel offers enough to keep him on the roster and split some of the RB workload compared to the amount they would have to spend to roster a different back for depth (meaning eating the $1.2M cap charge and then needing another RB for depth would get them close to what they are already giving Michel).

He's done what they have asked of him and has turned into an excellent blocker / blitz neutralizer. IMO, he sticks with NE and could also be back next season as well. 

 I was just serving as a messenger passing on that someone else well connected was saying they thought he could be headed out one way or another.

I would however add to your last paragraph that the Lions just cut Kerryon, who was drafted around same range as Michel, who the past coaching staff raved about as a person, who they also said did everything they could and the Lions RB coach from last year said was the best pass protector he had ever worked with or seen(can't recall exactly).  Obvious differences in the two is that Kerryon looked totally shot last year and Michel ran well when called upon but my point is being valued for doing what coaches wanted and being awesome in pass pro was not enough for Kerryon.

 

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

 I was just serving as a messenger passing on that someone else well connected was saying they thought he could be headed out one way or another.

I would however add to your last paragraph that the Lions just cut Kerryon, who was drafted around same range as Michel, who the past coaching staff raved about as a person, who they also said did everything they could and the Lions RB coach from last year said was the best pass protector he had ever worked with or seen(can't recall exactly).  Obvious differences in the two is that Kerryon looked totally shot last year and Michel ran well when called upon but my point is being valued for doing what coaches wanted and being awesome in pass pro was not enough for Kerryon.

 

I get your point about the messenger and relaying information, and thanks for doing that, but the keywords in your later thought say it all: "...past coaching staff" and "coach from last year."

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19 hours ago, zamboni said:

I did that two years ago.

He just never morphed into the guy we - or probably the the Pats - expected after being drafted in the 1st and having a solid rookie year. 

I got him as a toss-in to balance a trade. I just haven’t had the need to drop him as we have big rosters. Was kinda hoping the productive run he had last year would carry over so I could move him. That seems like more of a long shot every passing second. 

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On 5/5/2021 at 12:57 PM, Anarchy99 said:

The poster boy for being traded is Harry . . . and he is still on the roster. NE would eat $1.2M against the cap to save $1.8M in cap space by moving Michel. Realistically, what could they get for him . . . a 6th round pick if they are lucky?

IMO, Michel offers enough to keep him on the roster and split some of the RB workload compared to the amount they would have to spend to roster a different back for depth (meaning eating the $1.2M cap charge and then needing another RB for depth would get them close to what they are already giving Michel).

He's done what they have asked of him and has turned into an excellent blocker / blitz neutralizer. IMO, he sticks with NE and could also be back next season as well. 

All solid points, & I agree. I doubt he goes anywhere, and when called upon in times of need he’s delivered.

this seems to be one of those cases where the fan-base & FF managers scorned hate a player far more than the organization that employs him. 

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Just now, Hot Sauce Guy said:

All solid points, & I agree. I doubt he goes anywhere, and when called upon in times of need he’s delivered.

this seems to be one of those cases where the fan-base & FF managers scorned hate a player far more than the organization that employs him. 

The problem with owning a piece of the NE backfield is the design and framework really isn't such to produce a high scoring fantasy asset. There have been times when guys have had productive stretches, but that usually has stemmed from injuries to other backs. Michel did well enough without Harris. Harris did well with Michel out. Blount had a big season when the other options went down. But they usually have an early down back, a back up, a third down back, and a Swiss Army knife guy that does a little of everything. Then you add in players like Taylor or Bolden getting table scraps. Add in that Cam is more running back than quarterback at this point and there isn't a lot of incentive to roster Pats players. In fact, I have been looking at some early projections for NE and some places don't seem to think the Pats will produce a single fantasy starter at any position this year.

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12 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

The problem with owning a piece of the NE backfield is the design and framework really isn't such to produce a high scoring fantasy asset. There have been times when guys have had productive stretches, but that usually has stemmed from injuries to other backs. Michel did well enough without Harris. Harris did well with Michel out. Blount had a big season when the other options went down. But they usually have an early down back, a back up, a third down back, and a Swiss Army knife guy that does a little of everything. Then you add in players like Taylor or Bolden getting table scraps. Add in that Cam is more running back than quarterback at this point and there isn't a lot of incentive to roster Pats players. In fact, I have been looking at some early projections for NE and some places don't seem to think the Pats will produce a single fantasy starter at any position this year.

The problem with owning a piece of the NE backfield is that you own a piece of the NE backfield.

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Just now, Hankmoody said:

The problem with owning a piece of the NE backfield is that you own a piece of the NE backfield.

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Nah. The issue is many people draft NE backs expecting to use them and get something out of them. They are ok for depth purposes and maybe you get lucky and one of the other NE backs gets hurt and you have an option for a bye week fill-in (or injury short term injury replacement for your fantasy squad).

Over the years, people want to buy in AFTER someone did something . . . and the chances for a repeat are slim. Dillon, Ridley, BJGE, Woodhead, Blount, White, and to a lesser extent Michel didn't sustain their success in Year X+1. So many people saw what Michel did in that one post season . . . and then whined when they didn't use him the same the next year.

In general, I tend to agree with you and I generally wouldn't look to roster a NE RB. But if they fall far enough it makes some sense to grab one (again, hoping that you don't ever need to play him).

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I still think Michel's spot is safe and secure. I have seen some beat guys list him as a semi-lock (meaning if he looked bad / injured and Stevenson came in and lit things up in camp then there would have to be more thought involved in keeping Michel).

But historically, most rookie running backs barely saw the field in the BB era (although Michel, Maroney, and Redmond did). All the Day 2 and Day 3 picks saw limited action . . .

Player, Year, Carries, Receptions:

Sony Michael (2018) 209 + 7 = 216
Laurence Maroney (2006) 175 + 22 = 197
JR Redmond (2000) 125 + 20 = 145
Stevan Ridley (2011) 87 + 3 = 90
BJGE (2008) 74 + 3 = 77
JJ Taylor (2000) 23 + 1 = 24
Cedrick Cobbs (2004) 22 + 0 = 22
Patrick Pass (2000) 18 + 4 = 22
Shane Vereen (2011) 15 + 0 = 15
James White (2014) 9 + 5 = 14
DJ Foster (2016) 7 + 1 = 8
Damien Harris (2019) 4 + 0 = 4
Justise Hairston (2007) DNP
Antwoine Womack (2002) DNP

I suppose anything is possible, but Michel has been outstanding in blitz pickup and averaged 5.7 yards per carry and 16.3 yards per reception last year. I get that BB will play who he thinks will help him win, but Michel last year was a bright spot in a bleak year. PFF gave him a 80.9 grade last year . . . his best score since he joined NE and higher than many other backs in the league with bigger workloads.

 

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56 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

but Michel has been outstanding in blitz pickup and averaged 5.7 yards per carry and 16.3 yards per reception last year. 

 

on 7 catches.

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Just now, Dr. Octopus said:

on 7 catches.

Yeah, I get that . . . but his YPC was more than double what he produced in his first two seasons. The point being, when he was on the field, Michel was very productive. When he ran or caught the ball last year, he was very productive. He missed time due to injury and COVID (which maybe we can put on him). But when he played, he played very well. IIRC, Michel missed qualifying to rank in the YPC leaders by 1 rushing attempt. The only RB that would have had a higher YPC last year was Dobbins.

I get it that over the course of his career Michel hasn't been the back that people were expecting . . . but the time for NE to go in a completely different direction was two seasons ago, probably not now. I would guess he plays a role and fills in if Harris gets hurt. As we all know, being in a time share if Cam is playing is nothing to write home about for fantasy purposes. But IMO he would become a fantasy consideration if Jones took over and Harris was out.

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I think the writing is on the wall with Michel when the Patriots drafted Rhamondre Stevenson. I don't know how you draft a guy like that and don't give him the football.

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