Teams would be smart to just wait...I'm thinking 3rd is the best they will get now. If I'm the Pats, Chargers, Saints, pretty much anywhere with a vet QB, I'd grab him at that price.Seems like pretty limited market. Although as price drops, market will expand.
Miami has to be front runners as they appear interested. Pats second if they can get him cheap
Think the waiting is over for most part. If a team is interested think it’s time to put in a reasonable offer.Teams would be smart to just wait...I'm thinking 3rd is the best they will get now. If I'm the Pats, Chargers, Saints, pretty much anywhere with a vet QB, I'd grab him at that price.
I think so. The longer the wait the cheaper the price and that's where Belichick thrives. He'll steal him for a 3rd and a swap of 5ths or something cheap like that.rosen to the pats a lock?
RG3 vs CousinsI'd be all for the Vikings giving their 2nd for Rosen.
Oh totally possible - Dalton has 2 years left on his deal. If things go great we extend. If they don't we get a guy next year and have a transition season.I think everyone is waiting till Lock is off the board. The Bengals need so much we have so many holes. I think and I hope we are in full rebuild mode. I just don't know enough about Rosen or Lock to say clearly either is better than Dalton. I think Lock has a stronger arm than Dalton for sure but is he better and will develop better than perhaps a QB in next year's draft? Rosen might fit better than Lock but what would the Bengals be willing to give considering all the holes. We need defense(Linebacker) and a tight end and perhaps another offensive lineman if it all falls right.
My point is that the Bengals might be better served to kick the can down the road on replacing Dalton. I do think it's time for Dalton to go because he is good enough to tease you and not good enough to elevate a team into the playoffs and beyond. He is the worse QB to have good enough to give you hope but never get you to the promised land. Just not sure that QB is available to us either in Rosen or the draft.
Oh totally possible - Dalton has 2 years left on his deal. If things go great we extend. If they don't we get a guy next year and have a transition season.I think everyone is waiting till Lock is off the board. The Bengals need so much we have so many holes. I think and I hope we are in full rebuild mode. I just don't know enough about Rosen or Lock to say clearly either is better than Dalton. I think Lock has a stronger arm than Dalton for sure but is he better and will develop better than perhaps a QB in next year's draft? Rosen might fit better than Lock but what would the Bengals be willing to give considering all the holes. We need defense(Linebacker) and a tight end and perhaps another offensive lineman if it all falls right.
My point is that the Bengals might be better served to kick the can down the road on replacing Dalton. I do think it's time for Dalton to go because he is good enough to tease you and not good enough to elevate a team into the playoffs and beyond. He is the worse QB to have good enough to give you hope but never get you to the promised land. Just not sure that QB is available to us either in Rosen or the draft.
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This is what I don't understand. Why then was no team wililng to give up their first round pick for him? Even those that needed QB's?Any team that lands Rosen for a 3rd or less has committed grant theft larceny.
I think, if he was in this class, Rosen is easily the second best QB, well ahead of both Jones and Haskins.
Because they didn't have to.This is what I don't understand. Why then was no team wililng to give up their first round pick for him? Even those that needed QB's?
I suspect the NFL knows more than we do, and the Giants and Redskins didn't think he would have easily been the second best QB of this class.
Multiple sources say the Dolphins are close to a deal for QB Josh Rosen, and that a deal may actually be tentatively done. Arizona would get pick No. 48 from Miami.
Looks like they're getting a 2nd rounder from Miami
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1121838080653238273
Agree with you on 2nd part. To me can’t see how is value has dropped that much- zona was a train wreck last year- but must be stuff we’re not seeingThis is what I don't understand. Why then was no team wililng to give up their first round pick for him? Even those that needed QB's?
I suspect the NFL knows more than we do, and the Giants and Redskins didn't think he would have easily been the second best QB of this class.
I'm surprised people thought he would go for anything less than a 2nd.I'm actually a bit surprised they will get a 2nd rounder. In my mind I thought 3rd round value would be as good as they would get.
After doing everything else so well on the tanking, why would they do this?Excellent. I'd much rather see Miami win 4 or 5 games with Rosen than watch them pull off a successful tank.
ProFootballTalk on NBC Sports reports the Dolphins are "close" to acquiring QB Josh Rosen from the Cardinals.
With the Giants and Redskins both out of the running, the Dolphins quickly became the front-runners for Rosen, who became expendable when Arizona drafted Kliff Kingsbury favorite Kyler Murray first overall on Thursday night. Assuming the deal comes to fruition, the Cardinals will receive Miami's second-rounder (48th overall) in exchange for Rosen. With little leverage and an unhappy Rosen threatening to become a locker-room distraction (he unfollowed the team on social media Friday), the Cardinals did well to get back a second-rounder for the former UCLA standout. Meanwhile the rebuilding Fins appear to have finally turned the page on the ill-fated Ryan Tannehill Era by installing Rosen as their new franchise signal-caller. The 22-year-old labored through a difficult rookie campaign in Arizona but was poorly coached and had minimal weapons at his disposal. Ultimately we think he'll benefit from a change of scenery.
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SOURCE: ProFootballTalk on Twitter
Apr 26, 2019, 12:10 PM
Helps with the tanking?After doing everything else so well on the tanking, why would they do this?
I'm a huge Rosen believer (one of the tribe) but Tua is a generational talent and if you have to kneecap your players to get him then you do it.Minority opinion it seems, but I think this is a great move for Miami. I think Rosen is better than any QB in this draft class that wasn't Murray. I'd argue him vs Justin Herbert next year too. Dolphins are/were no lock for Tua, and Rosen might not be that far behind him. I'd still rather have Rosen over Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson too.
A lot of people are writing a guy off for a bad rookie year in an NFL worst situation. We need to look no further back than Jared Goff, as a guy who looked awful as a rookie, but has more than turned it around.
The Giants and Redskins would have given up their picks for him if they thought we was better than the guys they drafted. So they obviously didn't think he was better than the guys they drafted.Because they didn't have to.
Seemed pretty obvious that nobody was biting on the 1st round demands, so why pay a first rounder?
Seems like a game of chicken was played. Cardinals lost.The Giants and Redskins would have given up their picks for him if they thought we was better than the guys they drafted. So they obviously didn't think he was better than the guys they drafted.
Seems pretty obvious.
I agree with that.Seems like a game of chicken was played. Cardinals lost.
eta - Cards wanted a first, teams thought they could get Rosen with less.
Those two teams aren't exactly known for their great decisions of late.I agree with that.
But still, two teams drafted a QB instead of trading for Rosen. I was responding to a poster who said Rosen was much better than anyone but Murray in this draft. I think it's fair to say that at least two teams did not think of Rosen in that way.
Modern day Steve DeBergRosen on track to be the first QB drafted in the 1st to get #### blocked by the new #1 overall pick 2 years in a row
There are dozens of us. Dozens!I'm a huge Rosen believer (one of the tribe)
Because the Cards have no leverage. They showed all their cards (no pun intended) early on and telegraphed their entire process. If the general public is that aware of what their intentions were, then certainly league GMs knew. Nobody pays dollar for dollar if they can get the commodity for 70 cents on the dollar.This is what I don't understand. Why then was no team wililng to give up their first round pick for him? Even those that needed QB's?
I suspect the NFL knows more than we do, and the Giants and Redskins didn't think he would have easily been the second best QB of this class.
Again, two teams picked QB's and did not trade those picks for Rosen. If the Giants and Redskins thought Rosen was as good as the second best QB in this class, they would have traded their pick to the Cards instead of drafting who they did.Because the Cards have no leverage. They showed all their cards (no pun intended) early on and telegraphed their entire process. If the general public is that aware of what their intentions were, then certainly league GMs knew. Nobody pays dollar for dollar if they can get the commodity for 70 cents on the dollar.
Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports that the Miami Dolphins and Arizona Cardinals have agreed to a trade for Josh Rosen.
In the deal, the Dolphins would send the 46th pick to the Cardinals. It's widely speculated that the Cardinals are going to take Byron Murphy of Washington to play corner with the 33rd pick, and with the 46th pick, the Cardinals could target a wideout like A.J. Brown of Ole Miss or Hakeem Butler of Iowa State. It's a far cry from what the Cardinals gave up to get Rosen, but with Kyler Murray in tow, there's zero reason to hang onto Rosen at this point.
SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter
Apr 26, 2019, 2:27 PM
Excellent. I'd much rather see Miami win 4 or 5 games with Rosen than watch them pull off a successful tank.
Fitz magic is good for 4 or 5 wins anyway.After doing everything else so well on the tanking, why would they do this?
And with great moves like taking Daniel Jones 6th overall and trading OBJ for a mid 1st, we should definitely put a lot of weight into what Gettleman thinks.Again, two teams picked QB's and did not trade those picks for Rosen. If the Giants and Redskins thought Rosen was as good as the second best QB in this class, they would have traded their pick to the Cards instead of drafting who they did.
I put a lot of weight into what Gettleman thinks... In the way that if he thinks something he is probably wrong.And with great moves like taking Daniel Jones 6th overall and trading OBJ for a mid 1st, we should definitely put a lot of weight into what Gettleman thinks.