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Get It.......At Porky's
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I doubt you would find very many Republicans if any that would support Trump if he were to murder someone. In fact, all Republicans I know want justice for Floyd and the cop to be sentenced to murder.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Get It.......At Porky's
Footballguy
I disagree. If Trump murdered someone, it would be the same playbook his supporters (not singling you or anyone else out, this is a general comment) use to "defend" him.
+ Is there video of the incident? No -------------> "He didn't do that."
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Yes.
+ Is it crystal clear that he killed someone? No ---------------> "He didn't do it."
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Yes.
+ Can it be pinned on the person he killed in any way, shape, or form? Yes -------------> Blame the victim.
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No.
+ Did Obama or anyone on "the left" (ANTIFA, maybe?) do something similar in the past? Yes -------------> Point to that and say "what about when [Obama] did this? Is that OK?"
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No.
+ Dismiss complaints about the murder as "whining" and tell people who are outraged to "take the complaining to another thread/forum/medium"
The pattern rarely deviates. In fairness, I've seen people on both sides of the aisle use similar tactics, but it seems the Trump supporters have made an art form of it.
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Footballguy
Over the last 20 years, civilian police departments have increasingly drawn from, and patterned themselves around, the tenets of militarism and the military model.
John Blutarsky
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Joe asked to be better. Are you Daulton?Get It.......At Porky's said:
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Unreal. Am I still not allowed to use the three letters?Get It.......At Porky's said:
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Good call. Reads very much like him. He already admitted to being a banned alias.
Get It.......At Porky's
Footballguy
I'm not even specifically referring to anyone here. It's just a general observation. To his credit, he knows his supporters will take up for him no matter what. It's truly incredible the passionate and seemingly unconditional support he's developed.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Well, if it makes you feel any better this isn't the first thing you are wrong about in this thread.
Get It.......At Porky's
Footballguy
I don't know what you're referring to, but use whatever letters you like. I wasn't referring to you, or to Mr. Blutarsky, or anyone else. I wasn't even referring to posters on this board uniquely. It seems like Trump supporters will stand with him unequivocally no matter what. It's genuinely impressive.
Get It.......At Porky's
Footballguy
I'm not worried about right and wrong. It's all a matter of perspective. Just sharing my thoughts on what I see, through my own lens.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
It is simple really. He hasn't done anything remotely as bad as you claim. I blame fake media for polluting your mind.
Get It.......At Porky's
Footballguy
What have I claimed he's done, other than clearing the path to walk to the church for his photo op, through what appeared to be peaceful protestors? There's video to support that happened. I don't KNOW that it happened, but all signs point to it.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Like he's leaving cake for any of the rest of us.JohnnyU said:
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Do you have a problem with police escorts through cities when the President has to go somewhere? If cars attempted to block the escort what do you think would happen?
bigmarc27
Footballguy
You think they would start gassing them? Seriously? They plan these routes and prepare and block streets. If he decides he needs a McRib, they don’t just start mowing people down so he can biggie size something.
Get It.......At Porky's
Footballguy
Absolutely not.
If cars attempted to block the escort and it was even probable that it was an act of aggression or an immediate threat, I would fully expect action to be taken to clear the impediment. And they would be justified in doing so. That doesn't APPEAR to be what happened here. In this instance, those people seem to have already been there, before curfew, and demonstrating peacefully. Trump himself said he supports this.
If the presidential motorcade is rolling through my town and I jump in my car and cut them off, I expect whatever comes. If I'm sitting in a restaurant eating a delicious burrito, and all of a sudden, people come through the door firing tear gas canisters because Trump wants to come in and eat a burrito himself, that's a whole different ballgame. That's not justified.
These are obviously extreme examples, but to me, it seemed what happened here was closer to the latter than the former. You clearly see it differently.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Yes, if you ignore all the bad things he does and has others do on his behalf, he's the best!
urbanhack
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The optics are just bad on this and the insulated maga crowd are the only ones who can't see it. This was a stunt in the wake of the events of the past week and even going back to the death toll of corona surpassing 100,000. There hasn't been any type of moment of silence, leadership, signs of compassion or empathy addressing the nation. Things erupted over the weekend and through Sunday night we still had not heard from the president as cities exploded across the country. Nothing...not a word. Then this is the first opportunity to say something and the message is to show respect for the church?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Does it show respect for the church when police and secret service and whoever else were tear gassing people? Were removing church staff from their own patio and property to take the picture? That had zero to do with respect for the church...if it had, do you think church staff would have been informed of it rather than pushed away?Don't Noonan said:
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
I personally have been tear gassed dozens of times while Ronald Reagan walked to church and I considered it an honor once I regained my sight and realized whose flash-bangs had deafened me. Even today, I listen to the ringing in my ears from the permanent damage they caused and think, that's the sound of America being great, why can't it be like that again? But it is, thanks to this great and pious man whose only interest was to lead the country by showing them a borrowed Bible in front of a boarded up church with his most loyal cabinet members and press team.
Don't Noonan
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Wait a minute he did no such thing?Don't Noonan said:
Or he did what was necessary to get through?
Which happened?
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
This is false. Trump addressed the nation after the first night of rioting is an excellent bipartisan speech from Florida before the launch.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Protesters would not move out of the way as they were instructed. Safety of our President takes priority.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Please provide a link where they were instructed. Then please provide one where the people working at the church and on church property were instructed to or asked..and on that note, please let me know the authority they have to instruct anyone to move off of the church property?
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Please provide a link saying they were not instructed. Do you seriously think they didn't instruct the protesters to move out of the way???
-jb-
Footballguy
Kind of the question du jour. And many would say they didn't. See the other thread for a firsthand account from a reverend who was onsite.
Dickies
Footballguy
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Woah, woah, woah. You’re going to trust a reverend over our dear leader? I saw him holding a bible. He knew all of it content without even needing to open it.
dkp993
Footballguy
While I agree with your second sentence completely, I’m not sure tear gassing a peaceful protest outside a church (yes I realize it wasn’t peaceful prior but was then from my understanding) for a photo op is a priority.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Im not the one making the claim...you are...that they were instruction. You are being asked to back up that assertion...or I will assume it never actually happened.
I seriously think they said nothing to those on Church grounds...as evidenced by the words posted in multiple places from clergy working there.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
There is simply no way police would just start year gassing peaceful protesters. Full stop.
dkp993
Footballguy
Then what was the standing in front hold up a bible for everyone to see while posing for the camera?I don't agree it was for a photo op.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Then post the link...back up the claim.
And I disagree...they would start tear gassing people without much warning...and you still ignore those that were on the patio who were removed and not informed this was even happening.
And you ignore that the church, was not, in fact, burned down as you claimed.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Roy L Fewks
Footballguy
In my experience, people tend to support the militarization of police when their party is in power, and they tend to oppose the militarization of police when their party is not in power.
Roy L Fewks
Footballguy
True.
But irrelevant.
He went to the church to take a picture, make a speech, pander to his base, and generally create a distraction.
sho nuff
Footballguy
In mine...many people have opposed it for a while...even when Obama was in power...and they are the same who are opposing it now.
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