I don’t think that’s exactly right. The FA’s they sign have to be comparable in value to the one(s) they lose. For example, if they had signed Gore to a 1year/$2M deal, and Bell signs for 4 years/$50M, those 2 don’t cancel each other, with regards to comp,pick calculation.steelers1080 said:
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So we will have bud dupree for $9.2mm this year?
irish eyes
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Saw tweet that Dupree has not been approached about any type or restructure or being cut, so he is there at that price. Any LBs even left out there now?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I think there is some value to be had at Edge... ILB is a wasteland. Hicks would be a nice flyer, that’s about it.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I think you're partially right. This is the best explanation I've seen for comp picks: NFL Compensatory Picks Explained
From this, and other things I've seen, the amount of signed/lost players is #1, followed by where they fall on the ranking of FAs. So, for example, if we lose 2 players in FA and sign 2 within the proper period (I believe March - End of July), then we don't get any comp picks no matter of contract size.
But if we lose a huge FA and a minor FA, and sign 1 minor FA, then we'd get compensation for the huge FA. THIS ONLY APPLIES TO SIGNING UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS, not players who are traded or cut from teams. This might not be right, but I've seen this in many articles explaining how comp picks work.
If we only lose Bell and Jesse James, and sign 2 UFAs, then I don't think we get any comp picks.
I haven't seen the numbers for JJ, but with the talk about him potentially getting more than expected, we could be looking at a 3rd for Bell and a 4th or 5th for JJ if we don't sign players that cancel them out.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am not sure I am reading this correctly but it looks like Dupree is a $9.2 million dollar cap hit even if cut. The only way around it is to restructure or extend his contract which makes sense to me.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Eric Berry could be an interesting target. If we could trade something small for him (rumor is he's going to get cut) and have KC eat $10 mil of his contract ($6 mil savings for them over cutting him + dead cap), then he would be on a 3-year $33 mil contract.
He's been out the last 2 years from an achilles injury and foot injuries, so it's risky, but if he can play at 90% of what he was, he'd be an enormous upgrade in our secondary.
I don't think the Steelers could sign him if he's cut, but we might be able to trade for him with a 6th rounder or 7th if KC was just going to cut him.
He's been out the last 2 years from an achilles injury and foot injuries, so it's risky, but if he can play at 90% of what he was, he'd be an enormous upgrade in our secondary.
I don't think the Steelers could sign him if he's cut, but we might be able to trade for him with a 6th rounder or 7th if KC was just going to cut him.
steelers1080
Footballguy
They would have had to cut him earlier in the offseason I think, but they decided to move forward with his 5th year option. There was a time when we could cut him with $0 dead money.
irish eyes
Footballguy
I see, thanks for clarifying. Guess it could be worse, like some of the signings I'm seeing from other teams. Yikes
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Dupree isn't that great but he is coming off his best season. I know that isn't saying much but perhaps if they extend to a 3-year deal to spread out the cap hit, draft a decent DE and ease him in while keeping Dupree for depth for the next year or two, might be the way to go.
I've seen that link, as well. But this line
suggests that the player for player part isn't necessarily correct. If the Steelers don't lose anymore FAs (two-Bell and James), and sign two (Cameron Artis-Payne and Geoff Swaim), then the players they lost are considerably greater than the ones they signed. I think they'd get a comp pick in that case (if not one for Bell AND James).
ETA-i realize the FAs signed/lost don't have to be at the same position, I just used those two for easier comparison.
They have until the new league year starts Wednesday afternoon to cut him and incur no cap charge. That's how it works with 5th year options on player which is kind of crappy to them that teams can cut them after the initial FA flurry.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
And because there has been no communication with Dupree, allegedly, it seems he will stay and merely play out his final year at that number.
I think the Steelers can rescind Dupree's fifth year option up until the 2019 NFL league year begins at 4PM ET Wednesday March 13th. If they rescind it before then Dupree becomes a UFA. At 4PM on March 13th Dupree's $9.2M salary becomes fully guaranteed - up to time it is only guaranteed for injury.
https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2018-19-important-nfl-dates/
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What is the significance of signing Shazier? For access to the best medical care?
Medical care, accrued year for pension purposes for him, all in all trying to do right by him.
My question is when they say his contract tolled how much are are talking?
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Nick Perry cut. Had 18 sacks in 2016-17 but only played 9 games last year. Should come cheap.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
But the Steelers don’t care about their players! Such a disgusting, disrespectful franchise!
Steeler
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
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His 2018 salary was $790,000. The veteran minimum salary for a 4 - 6 year vet in 2019 is $805,000. I expect that's what his contract will toll at.
I just saw his salary will be $473,000 - the reduction due because he in on the Reserve/PUP list.
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Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
As Colbert said, I don't expect the Steelers to make a big splash in FA. I do think there is a pretty good batch of CBs and S out there, and I expect we will grab one of them. (Roby, Dennard, McCourty)
Beyond that, I don't see a whole lot.
Regarding mocks that were posted, if N'Keal drops to round three I'd be ecstatic
Beyond that, I don't see a whole lot.
Regarding mocks that were posted, if N'Keal drops to round three I'd be ecstatic
Steeler
Footballguy
Yeah, the Steelers are terrible to their players:
Also, in case anyone forgot how great of a player he was:
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
darn, Hicks signed with the Cardinals. 4yrs/$36M
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It would be a shock to see the Steelers make FA signings in the first few days of free agency. They just don't do it and it usually works out well for them
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Sounds like LeVeon is down to the Jets and Ravens.
I'm betting he lands at the Ravens and we get to see him twice a year.
I'm betting he lands at the Ravens and we get to see him twice a year.
steelers1080
Footballguy
If the Steelers rescind the tag and Dupree becomes a UFA, could we get a comp pick for him?
If so, I'd definitely do that and sign Nick Perry. Dupree will sign elsewhere and get us another pick, since Perry wouldn't count against comp picks because he was cut.
If so, I'd definitely do that and sign Nick Perry. Dupree will sign elsewhere and get us another pick, since Perry wouldn't count against comp picks because he was cut.
It's possible, but at this point in his career I'm not all that worried that he'll make it to the playoffs, where games really matter.
irish eyes
Footballguy
I think he has people out there floating rumors for him. It's gotten comical now. Maybe most of the league has the same thoughts as the Steelers, why pay a RB that ridiculous amount of money.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Rumor is the Browns are trying to trade for OBJ.
Would it be hilarious if they trade for him and immediately renegotiate his contract to be valued more than AB's?
Would it be hilarious if they trade for him and immediately renegotiate his contract to be valued more than AB's?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
You may be right... posted this in the FA thread: https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1105540864812695552?s=21
irish eyes
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
The Steelers should go after Cory Littleton, 2nd round tender by the Rams. Send a reasonable offer, and worst comes to worst the Rams match it or he says no. He would be a huge upgrade at ILB and would be better than anyone we could draft at pick 52. Just imagining him lined up next to 1 of the Devin's is pretty great.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
The Jets apparently want Leveon to decide soon if he wants their offer, and they're the only team actively pursuing him. If I was them, I'd put a rolling money clock on it. Hey Leveon, your contract starts at 4 years/$48 million with $20 million guaranteed, every 10 minutes each drops by $250k. After each hour our offer is $1.5 mil lower.
If they're really the only horse in town, just force his hand.
If they're really the only horse in town, just force his hand.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Roby signs with the Texans.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
for $10 million/1 year contract. Supposedly the Steelers had offered a 3 year deal.
I think the Steelers may have dodged a bullet here
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Steelers tried to get Roby if it makes you guys feel better: https://twitter.com/mikeklis/status/1105558304258809856?s=21
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Why is Burnett still on this team?
Steelers sign CB Steve Nelson 3 yrs 25.5M -- this is a very good signing.
From the USA Today -
"
Nelson is only 26 years old, he’s versatile, and he is coming off the best season of his career while heading into the prime of his career. He’s started 38 games and has 35 passes defended and four interceptions during those games. Those numbers look a lot like the numbers that Darius Slay had when he was extended by the Lions just two years ago. Nelson’s projected contract will be a similar value to Slay’s contract, give a few million dollars for cap inflation. Guaranteed money will likely be between $15 and $25 million."
More info here -
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/12/2019-chiefs-free-agency-focus-cb-steven-nelson/
From the USA Today -
"
Nelson is only 26 years old, he’s versatile, and he is coming off the best season of his career while heading into the prime of his career. He’s started 38 games and has 35 passes defended and four interceptions during those games. Those numbers look a lot like the numbers that Darius Slay had when he was extended by the Lions just two years ago. Nelson’s projected contract will be a similar value to Slay’s contract, give a few million dollars for cap inflation. Guaranteed money will likely be between $15 and $25 million."
More info here -
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/12/2019-chiefs-free-agency-focus-cb-steven-nelson/
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