Joe Bryant 10,279 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Hey Guys, One of the things you guys asked for was Rookie info much earlier than we've ever done in the past. We always start that info closer to the NFL Draft but one of the things you told us on the Reader Survey and also here was you'd like to see that info much earlier. We heard you and we're delivering. Our Sigmund Bloom just released his Top 100 Rookies here. Obviously, this list will see massive changes as stories develop over the next six months. But Sig's laying out what he sees now based on what we know now. Feedback and discussion is most welcome. Knock yourselves out and let's have a great 2018. Enjoy the Super Bowl tomorrow. Important Note: I'd love to see this thread used for discussion. But PLEASE understand, HOW it's discussed is crucial. Disagreement is the engine that drives discussion. That's a given. But there are mulitple ways to disagree. If it's :lmao: or "what you smoking?" comment, that's the same as saying "I want to kill any real discussion". The alternative is "I don't see it. Can you help me understand why you think that?" That opens the discussion and both sides may learn something. Let's do 100% of the latter and 0% of the former. Thanks. 21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyU 3,934 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Awesome read, thanks for posting. I can buy into Bloom's top 4, but I would move both Ridley and Washington above Chubb. He's too high on St. Brown and even though I'm not high on Sutton, he should be above several players above him. The same goes for Christian Kirk. Too high on Walton, Kelly, and Cobbs. I would move Gesicki and Rosen above Hines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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joey 1,497 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Joe Bryant said: Hey Guys, One of the things you guys asked for was Rookie info much earlier than we've ever done in the past. We always start that info closer to the NFL Draft but one of the things you told us on the Reader Survey and also here was you'd like to see that info much earlier. We heard you and we're delivering. Our Sigmund Bloom just released his Top 100 Rookies here. Obviously, this list will see massive changes as stories develop over the next six months. But Sig's laying out what he sees now based on what we know now. Feedback and discussion is most welcome. Knock yourselves out and let's have a great 2018. Enjoy the Super Bowl tomorrow. Good stuff. Thanks for the heads up, Joe. One if if the other things your subscribers are asking for in the “dynasty rankings” thread is updated dynasty rankings as we head into the offseason trading period for all of our dynasty leagues. I tried to “@“ call out you, David and all of the dynasty rankers on the site without as much of a peep for a reply. So now that I have your attention can you give us some kind of solid update on when we can expect to see at least a couple of your staff put out updated rankings, please? TIA Edited February 4, 2018 by joey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 nice job, I know seems like a complaint but could we get it without the IDP? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Bryant 10,279 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Thanks Guys. We should have updated regular Dynasty rankings over the next couple of weeks. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joey 1,497 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Joe Bryant said: Thanks Guys. We should have updated regular Dynasty rankings over the next couple of weeks. Thanks Joe! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sigmund Bloom 1,010 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 7:51 AM, JohnnyU said: Awesome read, thanks for posting. I can buy into Bloom's top 4, but I would move both Ridley and Washington above Chubb. He's too high on St. Brown and even though I'm not high on Sutton, he should be above several players above him. The same goes for Christian Kirk. Too high on Walton, Kelly, and Cobbs. I would move Gesicki and Rosen above Hines. This is very preliminary and already I am revising it. Chubb is a tough eval because while he's a two down back, a team that takes him could give him the fournette treatment. im not sure ridley or washington are #1s, but if they land with a good QB. Agree that there's a break at 4. I am working through WRs right now and will be refining them. QBs are always tough to slot on a list like this because value is falling in traditional leagues. thanks for reading! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Courage 8 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) Thanks Joe! I'm one of those always complaining..er... suggesting.. for more and earlier dynasty content. I really like to get to know and understand which rookies I should be keeping my eye on at the Combine and than at the Draft. And it's also good to get conversations going on why some folks like some players and other's don't. I think, in particular this class, is going to be very divisive in evaluations after Barkley. For example, Simmie Cobb over Christian Kirk? Uh, no. And I'm the lead engineer on the Kalen Ballage hype train and Sig has him listed way too low. Choo-Choo! Edited February 5, 2018 by Liquid Courage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Courage 8 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, Sigmund Bloom said: This is very preliminary and already I am revising it. Chubb is a tough eval because while he's a two down back, a team that takes him could give him the fournette treatment. im not sure ridley or washington are #1s, but if they land with a good QB. Agree that there's a break at 4. I am working through WRs right now and will be refining them. QBs are always tough to slot on a list like this because value is falling in traditional leagues. thanks for reading! Thanks Sig! My opinion is that none of these WRs are #1's regardless of landing spot. I don't think anyone should be expecting more than supplementing their current WR corp on their dynasty team with these guys. I don't see anyone of them becoming a top 10 finisher in their career, except for maybe Washington. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madden Curse 42 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Nice info and it's great to have this out so early. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sigmund Bloom 1,010 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Liquid Courage said: Thanks Joe! I'm one of those always complaining..er... suggesting.. for more and earlier dynasty content. I really like to get to know and understand which rookies I should be keeping my eye on at the Combine and than at the Draft. And it's also good to get conversations going on why some folks like some players and other's don't. I think, in particular this class, is going to be very divisive in evaluations after Barkley. For example, Simmie Cobb over Christian Kirk? Uh, no. And I'm the lead engineer on the Kalen Ballage hype train and Sig has him listed way too low. Choo-Choo! I think Kirk is a limited to slot receiver and I didn't see a lot that made him stand out as a projection as an outside receiver. I am warming to Ballage and he certainly has the receiving skills and physical profile to be a lot better pro player than college player 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miqws 232 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) Great list Sigmund. I always like reading your work and taking some half court shots accordingly. I am going to take a closer look at Anthony Miller and Mark Walton. On a related note, Bob Henry and Dan Hindery have recently posted rookie rankings on the FBG site. Thanks for the rookie information made available earlier, it is appreciated. Edited February 6, 2018 by miqws 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Bryant 10,279 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 One big thing I'll go back and add to the original post: I'd love to see this thread used for discussion. But PLEASE understand, HOW it's discussed is crucial. Disagreement is the engine that drives discussion. That's a given. But there are mulitple ways to disagree. If it's or "what you smoking?" comment, that's the same as saying "I want to kill any real discussion". The alternative is "I don't see it. Can you help me understand why you think that?" That opens the discussion and both sides may learn something. Let's do 100% of the latter and 0% of the former. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwb 2,439 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 On 2/5/2018 at 3:50 PM, Madden Curse said: Nice info and it's great to have this out so early. I agree - thanks for getting this out so early. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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foxco 295 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Awesome, thanks for this, can't wait to dig in to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borden 1,078 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Bloom is good start but where are the board members lists? @Biabreakable @Andy Dufresne and I’d like to see @Hankmoody ‘s list too. There’s some more board members that I haven’t mentioned that usually have lists started by now. Quit slacking please. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zyphros 1,890 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I put up a thread to post rookie rankings before the combine and draft with my own list a couple weeks ago now @Borden, a couple others have posted there as well. HERE is the link. As for @Sigmund Bloom can you explain Gallup to me a little? Your explanation that you wrote up with him is pretty glowing in regards to traits that he seems to have but then you cap him as a #2 WR? "Intense focus, fundamental route running, ball skills, prowess after the catch" all seem pretty good to me. Sounds like you're explaining JuJu. He's one of my favorites in this draft, and I see him with the same type of ceiling as guys like Auden Tate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Biabreakable 5,096 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Borden said: Bloom is good start but where are the board members lists? @Biabreakable @Andy Dufresne and I’d like to see @Hankmoody ‘s list too. There’s some more board members that I haven’t mentioned that usually have lists started by now. Quit slacking please. Ha!! Where is your list? Who is the next Jordan Howard or Chris Carson? I actually am trying to do a more detailed form of charting this year, however its time consuming. I have only finished 3 players so far using this method. Going to be awhile before I will have anything like a list. Recently besides jabbering about other stuff I have been trying to focus on the veterans for rankings before going back to evaluating rookies. I am somewhat torn as far as which is more important. I think the rankings matter more, just not as fun as watching the rookies is. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hankmoody 3,740 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) On second thought I will make a different thread, I don't want to fracture the discussion of Bloom's rankings. https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/764939-hankmoodys-too-early-pre-combine-rookie-rankings/ Edited February 15, 2018 by Hankmoody 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borden 1,078 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 @Hankmoody I read all that but my pee sized brain got hung up on the mystery man. I’m looking forward to discovering this character. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxco 295 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Now a bunch of rookie rankings. Good stuff here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chasers Dawg 17 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 On 04/02/2018 at 11:51 AM, bicycle_seat_sniffer said: nice job, I know seems like a complaint but could we get it without the IDP? HEY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Who is Dave Larkin? I don't recognize his name as a staffer, his rankings are interesting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
niagararapids 5 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 For some reason the pre-draft Bloom 100 was taken down...usually you keep it on the site even after the draft? Also...when is his post-draft version going up...I am guessing today based on the pre-draft one disappearing over the weekend? Lastly...will we get a Bramel rookie tiers with IDP article again this year...really hoping he can do one as it is the most useful article for this time of year? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voiceofunreason 1,025 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 On 2018-02-04 at 1:51 PM, bicycle_seat_sniffer said: nice job, I know seems like a complaint but could we get it without the IDP? Really? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bronco Billy 2,667 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 No mention of the post draft Bloom 100 posted yet? It’s up and running Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 47,463 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Is the link still working? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grimace59 15 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Is the link still working? It's on the front page, but here is a link if you need it. http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2018-post-draft-bloom-100 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wakelawyer 141 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Bronco Billy said: No mention of the post draft Bloom 100 posted yet? It’s up and running It made my day when I saw this and the combined draft board posted at FBG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 47,463 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Grimace59 said: It's on the front page, but here is a link if you need it. http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2018-post-draft-bloom-100 Thanks, for whatever reason the one further up wasn't working for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mister CIA 8,199 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 1:51 PM, bicycle_seat_sniffer said: nice job, I know seems like a complaint but could we get it without the IDP? Second this. I know it sounds trivial, but I use this type of material for estimating ADP. So, If own the 3.6 pick in an upcoming draft, it would be nice to scroll down to the 30th ranked player and scroll up or down to gauge where a player I like falls on the spectrum, without having to start from the top and count only offensive players. It's akin to wrench vs crescent wrench. Not a big deal though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joey 1,497 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Mister CIA said: Second this. I know it sounds trivial, but I use this type of material for estimating ADP. So, If own the 3.6 pick in an upcoming draft, it would be nice to scroll down to the 30th ranked player and scroll up or down to gauge where a player I like falls on the spectrum, without having to start from the top and count only offensive players. It's akin to wrench vs crescent wrench. Not a big deal though. copy/paste into a spreadsheet and remove the IDP players? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I don’t know how to say this politely: Penny at 13 is garbage and is going to be a very bad look for this site a year from now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
onionsack 253 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Another Penny skeptic, good....good... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buck naked 420 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, Bojang0301 said: I don’t know how to say this politely: Penny at 13 is garbage and is going to be a very bad look for this site a year from now. He's been a a long anti-Penny streak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Men-in-Cleats 68 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Man, looking at those tiers and the number of draftable players in each round is pretty low this year after the first. I have a 16 team IDP dynasty and there aren't even 12 guys listed as being worthy of many of the rounds. Trying to gauge who'll be available to me at my 2.06 is really difficult this year given the weak WR class making sure that the IDP's will probably go early and often this year. I'll get a solid pick at the 1.06 depending on who falls there but after that it's a crapshoot. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hankmoody 3,740 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 19 hours ago, onionsack said: Another Penny skeptic, good....good... I have a couple 1.07's and I can only dream... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cold Dead Hands 1,729 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Penny just went at the 1.13 in my contract idp. I traded away the 1.13 a few months ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voiceofunreason 1,025 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 20 hours ago, Bojang0301 said: I don’t know how to say this politely: Penny at 13 is garbage and is going to be a very bad look for this site a year from now. People always want rankings but the second their man crush is ranked 3 spots low they flip out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spider321 1,124 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, voiceofunreason said: People always want rankings but the second their man crush is ranked 3 spots low they flip out. You misspelled "10". 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voiceofunreason 1,025 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 4 hours ago, spider321 said: You misspelled "10". I’m forming a posse now. This wrong will be avenged. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 6 hours ago, voiceofunreason said: People always want rankings but the second their man crush is ranked 3 spots low they flip out. PFF has him as their #2 RB, Graham Barfield #2, JJ Zacharisan #2, Player Profiler #3, Yahoo #2, Evan Silva top of his best ball Tier 4 ahead of Guice, Michel, Jones, Freeman... it’s a look at me ranking. I highly dislike Ronald Jones but he’s #7 on my list because I know that I can take him and instantly flip him for value plus he does have a good situation. Also, he has no quantitative argument against Penny. Just wants to squat and ##### about pass blocking and to say his yards after contact should be ignored because of... reasons. Also, your schtick is beyond old. You add nothing to any conversation. Just a petulant child. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
voiceofunreason 1,025 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, Bojang0301 said: PFF has him as their #2 RB, Graham Barfield #2, JJ Zacharisan #2, Player Profiler #3, Yahoo #2, Evan Silva top of his best ball Tier 4 ahead of Guice, Michel, Jones, Freeman... it’s a look at me ranking. I highly dislike Ronald Jones but he’s #7 on my list because I know that I can take him and instantly flip him for value plus he does have a good situation. Also, he has no quantitative argument against Penny. Just wants to squat and ##### about pass blocking and to say his yards after contact should be ignored because of... reasons. Also, your schtick is beyond old. You add nothing to any conversation. Just a petulant child. You’ve made ten posts a day pimping Penny. You like him, we get it. Lighten up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arodin 3,083 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 This year more than most, RBs are so deep that it feels like my favorite players are landing anywhere from 3 to 8 just in RB rankings. Fold in a love affair with a QB or two and it's hard for me to call any spot in the top 12 ridiculous for one of these guys... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pyite76 148 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 0:30 PM, niagararapids said: Also...when is his post-draft version going up...I am guessing today based on the pre-draft one disappearing over the weekend? Pre-draft rankings are listed on the post draft rankings, just in (parentheses). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cockroach 2,591 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I wish the predraft comments were still accessable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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