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Stormy Daniels scandal thread (1 Viewer)
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The Indestructible
Footballguy
If the model is one of the 3 new clients that Avenatti will be representing, Avenatti will jump at the chance to sue for this.They made Stedman (independent reporter/blogger) take it down under threat of suit.
I think SLAPP suit 'em right back might be handy here but hey.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The "brokerage fee" aspect is an interesting twist and sounds like the sort of thing Cohen may have meant in his conversation with Trump about McDougal.
Zow
Footballguy
So unprofessional.Buckle up buttercup?Avenatti is just relentless in his taunting of Rudy. At some point this trolling will get to Rudy and he will say something that will make matters even worse, which is probably what Aventatti is hoping for.
Michael Avenatti @MichaelAvenatti 3h3 hours ago
Rudy - America is still waiting for an answer to my question below. BTW, great job on @NewDay. Whatever you do, don’t stop giving interviews. So much winning... #FightClub #BuckleUpButtercup #Basta
Michael Avenatti @MichaelAvenatti Jul 29
.@RudyGiuliani - Are you denying that there were other hush payments made to as yet unnamed women in connection with the 2016 campaign? Asking for some friends... You better buckle up buttercup because Mr. Trump’s stupidity and disloyalty is about to catch up to him (and you).
NFL2DF
Footballguy
Because they need something to cry about.
Did they care when Bill Clinton paid off women he allegedly raped? Nope
Did they care when John Edwards used actual campaign funds to pay off the woman he knocked up while on the campaign trail (and paid an aide to pretend it was his kid)? Nope
Did they care about the Congressional Sexual Harassment/Assault Slush Fund that dozens of members of Congress (on both sides) have used to pay off women? Nope
Since Russia collusion blew up in their face they are desperate for SOMETHING to bring Trump down.
The best they have is an NDA/settlement with someone Trump had consensual sex with 10 years ago.
And that is worth 75 pages here
NFL2DF
Footballguy
Almost as comical as the party of "bang who ever or whatever you want" and "abortions are a human right" clutch their pearls in desperation that THIS will be what finally brings Trump down.
Do you honestly not see the absurdity in this?
Ignoramus
Footballguy
:excellentposting:Because they need something to cry about.
Did they care when Bill Clinton paid off women he allegedly raped? Nope
Did they care when John Edwards used actual campaign funds to pay off the woman he knocked up while on the campaign trail (and paid an aide to pretend it was his kid)? Nope
Did they care about the Congressional Sexual Harassment/Assault Slush Fund that dozens of members of Congress (on both sides) have used to pay off women? Nope
Since Russia collusion blew up in their face they are desperate for SOMETHING to bring Trump down.
The best they have is an NDA/settlement with someone Trump had consensual sex with 10 years ago.
And that is worth 75 pages here
Butthurt libruls
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I'm not sure who "they" is but Edwards got prosecuted for that and convicted of some of the charges.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
It also, you know, ended Edwards' political career. So some people must have cared.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Other than cruel insults directed at posters' families, this post right here has a legit argument for the worst in the history of the forum. It effectively makes the exact opposite case that it intends to make, by citing three huge stories that had enormous legal and political consequences and wrongly suggesting people didn't care. Then it throws in a hilariously poorly timed dismissal of the Russia collusion story and aBecause they need something to cry about.
Did they care when Bill Clinton paid off women he allegedly raped? Nope
Did they care when John Edwards used actual campaign funds to pay off the woman he knocked up while on the campaign trail (and paid an aide to pretend it was his kid)? Nope
Did they care about the Congressional Sexual Harassment/Assault Slush Fund that dozens of members of Congress (on both sides) have used to pay off women? Nope
Since Russia collusion blew up in their face they are desperate for SOMETHING to bring Trump down.
The best they have is an NDA/settlement with someone Trump had consensual sex with 10 years ago.
And that is worth 75 pages here
for good measure. A work of art, really.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Made a fortune as a physic. You would think he would have seen all of that coming.
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The Indestructible
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
I am beginning to believe more and more that he might do that...
Michael Avenatti @MichaelAvenatti 31m31 minutes ago
People ask me why I think I can prevail against Mr. Trump. I tell them it’s because (1) I’ve bought groceries before and (2) I know you don’t need an ID to buy groceries. #Basta #FightClub
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
The same people that believe Rudy also believe Trump. They might not be the best at assessing credibility.
Question that's been bugging me since this story first broke: Why was it so important for Trump to pay off Stormy? By the time the payments went through, Trump had already been accused by a dozen women of actions that were much worse than anything that happened with Stormy. Plus, "Trump as cheating horn dog" was already pretty much baked in to his public image. Why would the revelation of a consensual affair have had much of an impact on the results of the election?
The best theory I can come up with: Cohen was the "cleanup crew". Trump tells him to tie up any loose ends and make sure no big surprises emerge before the election. The individual cases were mostly unremarkable, though perhaps the volume of cases was much greater than we have been led to believe (Bannon suggested it may have been upwards of 100).
They probably just viewed this as "playing it safe". Most of the stories probably wouldn't have come out regardless, particularly not before the election, but this way they could be sure. In retrospect, of course, it would have been far safer to take their chances on the women keeping quiet and not breaking campaign finance laws.
The best theory I can come up with: Cohen was the "cleanup crew". Trump tells him to tie up any loose ends and make sure no big surprises emerge before the election. The individual cases were mostly unremarkable, though perhaps the volume of cases was much greater than we have been led to believe (Bannon suggested it may have been upwards of 100).
They probably just viewed this as "playing it safe". Most of the stories probably wouldn't have come out regardless, particularly not before the election, but this way they could be sure. In retrospect, of course, it would have been far safer to take their chances on the women keeping quiet and not breaking campaign finance laws.
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The Indestructible
Footballguy
Curious to see how this case plays out now. Cohen's plea should give Avenatti additional support to invalidate the NDA as unenforceable for illegality. I'm not really sure what motivation Cohen/Essential Consultants should/would have to defend the case now. I guess normal parties would agree to a consent judgment on the invalidity of the NDA. That would mean the release of the DVD and whatever else Stormy has. But that would also mean that there would be no need to depose Trump.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Behind aaaalllllll of this is Trump still trying to enforce that damned NDA. Just drop it already and Avenatti doesn’t have a case.
I guess Avenatti has to move to reactivate the suit somehow but Cohen is still sort of in limbo giving evidence, he won’t be done until the Feds are done with him. I’d doubt the judge would let anything go forward until that is resolved.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
Avenatti tweeted this yesterday:
The interests in this case are all so opposed.
Zow
Footballguy
This will all make for a great law school hypo/illustrative case study in like 20 years.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
I'm not sure Avenatti could have gotten better news. The general rule is that illegal contracts are void, so yes, I'd say that he has a really great argument that the NDA is void. With that having been said, I've never had a case where the legality of a contract was at issue (my clients tend to be on the up and up and enter into boring agreements like trademark licenses and distributorship agreements), so I don't know if there are exceptions to the general rule or a particular way of applying it that could save it.
More importantly, it just doesn't make sense now for Cohen to argue that the NDA wasn't illegal and should be enforced. First, why does Cohen care at this point? Second, it would seem inconsistent with his plea. So, we may have the odd situation where Trump has to argue that he is the third-party beneficiary of an NDA that isn't illegal. That is hard enough position to begin with, made even harder if two of the actual parties to the contract take the position that it is illegal. So, it seems like an impossible position given everything else, but hey, who knows at this point.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Hmmm....
SWC
Bromigo
whoa brohans i bet he knows where a lot of bodies are buried by team trump take that to the bank brochachos
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Apologizing in advance for inarticulate use of legal terminology... how broad is this immunity shield? Because if it's for everything Pecker knows about anyone the Enquirer has published a story about, I anticipate Pecker's cooperation could lead to criminal convictions of about 1.2 million rich white people.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Orange Adolph needs to be gone but, damn, I'm gonna miss the jokes.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I would assume it's for anything that might come up in connection with his cooperation in the SNDY investigation.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Sajudin NDA about alleged story of Trump having an illegitimate child released.
- Pretty interesting fine print here.
- CNN.
- Pretty interesting fine print here.
- CNN.
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The Indestructible
Footballguy
Weird contractual arrangement. No compensation originally and then they amend a month later to provide for $30K?
Koya
Footballguy
Could this be due to the fact that without compensation / consideration, there would not be a binding agreement? So, if the story was never published, there could be nothing that bound him to silence? Perhaps after the first agreement the gentleman spoke with an atty and they went back to get the 30k, which then could enforce the provisions of the one million dollar penalty should he not keep silent?
Lawyerguys?
The Indestructible
Footballguy
Lawyer here, and that’s why it is so weird. AMI would have drafted the original agreement. I’d just expect the catch and kill process to be a little cleaner
The Indestructible
Footballguy
Ok, forget what I said. The version of the contract I saw looked to have blurry pages, but it was just slow to load on my phone. The original did provide for payment.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Kind of an interesting Avenatti tweet Squiz just posted.
EC LLC being a separate entity is now a weakness for Trump as he can not control the termination of the agreement.
EC LLC being a separate entity is now a weakness for Trump as he can not control the termination of the agreement.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Actually it’s still odd. I think what the original said was that Sajudin would get nothing *unless AMI published the story, and then he would get 30K.
The amendment, signed just a month later, said they would just pay him 30K.
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
In normal circumstances, I would assume this was drafted to get him to agree to hold off until they called Donald and asked what he could do for them if they bought the option and didn’t publish.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Not always. Sometimes they came to the Enquirer to sell the story and AMI bought their silence.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
Ok. Makes sense now. Interesting how different the contracts are re Stormy, Mcdougal, and the doorman.
