Dr. Octopus
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Everyone liked that signing I believe.It's not fair that in this whole thread nobody is giving crowder his due. From page one on not a single person.
Everyone liked that signing I believe.It's not fair that in this whole thread nobody is giving crowder his due. From page one on not a single person.
I was making a terrible joke. Mostly because of how bad the rest of the team is, and how crowder shouldn't be the WR1 anywhere.Everyone liked that signing I believe.
The best "jet" on the field will probably be "jet" McKinnon. Expect a bounce back game from San Fran who will be looking to prove the AZ game was a fluke against a way over matched jets line. I don't trust Gase to find a way to move darnold around in the pocket enough so that he isn't getting hit on every pass attempt.San Fran is missing Deebo and might be missing Kittle and Aiyuk. That doesn't leave them with great options in the passing game. Taking your helicopter team (no wings) and flying cross country to go face eight in the box when the Jets are relatively effective against running offenses doesn't sound like the greatest thing.
I still wouldn't bet the Jets. Give me San Fran.
Well technically, I did pimp Becton after Sunday's game:Apologies for lashing out a bit yesterday - but I was having a really bad day and the constant pessimism (while well deserved) got to me more than it should have.
Just to clarify my position a little. I know this team is in perpetual rebuild mode so no one wants to face that reality that we're in the middle of one again, but I think what Douglass is doing is the smart move (rolling cap space over). He took over a team that Mac and the prior idiot had run into the ground this team had such little talent on the roster mostly because it threw away draft picks for years. He wants to build through the draft, and that's how good teams operate, Bad teams throw money around in free agency and the Jets were one of those bad teams. How did that work out?
There was no way he was going to be able to rebuild this roster in one full offseason (don't forget Mac handled free agency and the draft last offseason). The top priority was to rebuild the o-line and he did all he could to address it - it was not going to be a finished project in Year 1. Sure most of the pieces he brought in are stop gap players but protecting Sam was the most pressing issue in order to assess his progress. While everyone was ####ting on the Mims pick yesterday, no one called out the home run he seemed to hit with Becton. Obviously he has a long way to go still but he looked great on Sunday. With no true offseason, the line as a whole was not going to come together in Week 1, lets give it some time to gel. The Bills have a great front seven and the line had some leaks but it was not the disaster of the last several seasons up front.
As far as weapons around Sam, it's easy to say he should have kept Robbie Anderson around now but I don't remember anyone that was crying after they let him walk. Breshad Perriman is so much more physically gifted than Anderson, and it was inaccurate to say that up until the last four games of last season he had done nothing in his career. Injuries killed his time in Baltimore but he showed signs of life in Cleveland in 2018, and was spectacular to close out 2019. And yes of course he was only afforded that opportunity because Evans and Godwin were out, but guess what, the Jets do not have Evans or Godwin. I'm not giving up on him after one week where their idiot coach failed to use him correctly (which of course may not be a one week issue see. L'Veon Bell). I think starting this week we will see Perriman look as good as Robbie Anderson ever did. With that said, Perriman is also a stop gap type acquisition and I don't think Douglass is counting on him to be the log term savior of this offense.
As far as Mims go I stand by calling him "the next Hill" as lazy analysis (but the way I said it was lashing out and not constructive so sorry @rockaction and @Kiddnets). The comparison starts and ends with big second round WR. They are two different individuals and despite the black cloud that surrounds all Jet fans there is no connection between the two. Sure it's disappointing that he's been banged up this offseason and is starting on the IR, but these things happen sometimes. Odell Beckham Jr. also started his career that way. Maybe Mims is the next Beckham ( or the next Hill). I think he is a talented player that we have to give a chance. Bottom line is that was another attempt to surround Darnold with talent, and was done the right way, through the draft. If it doesn't work out we have two first round picks next year and two the year after to bring in talent. Once again it will take time to build this roster properly.
I loved Darnold and still have hope but I'm starting to get tired of the excuses. Yes, Gase's play-calling is horrific and yes Darnold does not have Evans, Godwin and OJ Howard lining up with him but Herndon, Perriman, Crowder and hopefully Mims is not a terrible group of receivers. Top QBs elevate the players around them as well. Look at the progress Josh Allen is showing and let's not pretend that the Bills are loaded with skill players.
Sunday was a disaster and it crushed me so I get the frustration but I still believe in Douglass and I think he's building this team smartly and the right way.Unfortunately at season's end we likely have to start over with another new HC, but hopefully this time they make a good choice.
I'm not expecting them to win this Sunday but it's a long season, so let's hope to see some progress.
No worries Doc - Jet rage is real and no offense taken.....this banter is like therapy and sometimes you need to just get to the other side.Apologies for lashing out a bit yesterday - but I was having a really bad day and the constant pessimism (while well deserved) got to me more than it should have.
Just to clarify my position a little. I know this team is in perpetual rebuild mode so no one wants to face that reality that we're in the middle of one again, but I think what Douglass is doing is the smart move (rolling cap space over). He took over a team that Mac and the prior idiot had run into the ground this team had such little talent on the roster mostly because it threw away draft picks for years. He wants to build through the draft, and that's how good teams operate, Bad teams throw money around in free agency and the Jets were one of those bad teams. How did that work out?
There was no way he was going to be able to rebuild this roster in one full offseason (don't forget Mac handled free agency and the draft last offseason). The top priority was to rebuild the o-line and he did all he could to address it - it was not going to be a finished project in Year 1. Sure most of the pieces he brought in are stop gap players but protecting Sam was the most pressing issue in order to assess his progress. While everyone was ####ting on the Mims pick yesterday, no one called out the home run he seemed to hit with Becton. Obviously he has a long way to go still but he looked great on Sunday. With no true offseason, the line as a whole was not going to come together in Week 1, lets give it some time to gel. The Bills have a great front seven and the line had some leaks but it was not the disaster of the last several seasons up front.
As far as weapons around Sam, it's easy to say he should have kept Robbie Anderson around now but I don't remember anyone that was crying after they let him walk. Breshad Perriman is so much more physically gifted than Anderson, and it was inaccurate to say that up until the last four games of last season he had done nothing in his career. Injuries killed his time in Baltimore but he showed signs of life in Cleveland in 2018, and was spectacular to close out 2019. And yes of course he was only afforded that opportunity because Evans and Godwin were out, but guess what, the Jets do not have Evans or Godwin. I'm not giving up on him after one week where their idiot coach failed to use him correctly (which of course may not be a one week issue see. L'Veon Bell). I think starting this week we will see Perriman look as good as Robbie Anderson ever did. With that said, Perriman is also a stop gap type acquisition and I don't think Douglass is counting on him to be the log term savior of this offense.
As far as Mims go I stand by calling him "the next Hill" as lazy analysis (but the way I said it was lashing out and not constructive so sorry @rockaction and @Kiddnets). The comparison starts and ends with big second round WR. They are two different individuals and despite the black cloud that surrounds all Jet fans there is no connection between the two. Sure it's disappointing that he's been banged up this offseason and is starting on the IR, but these things happen sometimes. Odell Beckham Jr. also started his career that way. Maybe Mims is the next Beckham ( or the next Hill). I think he is a talented player that we have to give a chance. Bottom line is that was another attempt to surround Darnold with talent, and was done the right way, through the draft. If it doesn't work out we have two first round picks next year and two the year after to bring in talent. Once again it will take time to build this roster properly.
I loved Darnold and still have hope but I'm starting to get tired of the excuses. Yes, Gase's play-calling is horrific and yes Darnold does not have Evans, Godwin and OJ Howard lining up with him but Herndon, Perriman, Crowder and hopefully Mims is not a terrible group of receivers. Top QBs elevate the players around them as well. Look at the progress Josh Allen is showing and let's not pretend that the Bills are loaded with skill players.
Sunday was a disaster and it crushed me so I get the frustration but I still believe in Douglass and I think he's building this team smartly and the right way.Unfortunately at season's end we likely have to start over with another new HC, but hopefully this time they make a good choice.
I'm not expecting them to win this Sunday but it's a long season, so let's hope to see some progress.
Officially out.Just read that Jameson Crowder might be out now....did not practice today.... i
The Jets have lost 3 MLBs already so they’ll be stacking with some scrubs.And Kittle is out this week. Looks like a lot of Dante Pettis and Kendrick Bourne. I have Mostert in two leagues. The Jets are gonna stack the box. Bummer.
True. Mosley, Cashman, and Onwuasor are all out. Williamson is questionable, if I'm reading it right.The Jets have lost 3 MLBs already so they’ll be stacking with some scrubs.
Right now, Mims needs to focus on recovering his hamstring injury to be 100% healthy. Then he can focus on capitalizing a golden opportunity when given a chance to produce on the field with depleted receiving team.Comparing players is lazy to an extent - but being a Jets fan for 40+ yrs you see patterns.....Mims start of his career is not good.....like that you can compare him to OBJ but when was the last time that happened for the Jets? Much easier to point to a bust like Hill - its unfair but when you are talking 4 decent/good 2d rd picks in 25 yrs I tend to be pessimistic. Im going to try to let them play out because it isnt fair - but man Id like to Q to show something and Mims when hes healthy
being in a perpetual rebuild is brutal - in the NFL you have lots of teams that go from bad to good in a year - 3-4 yr plans are rare.....we are going on 10 yrs....and the owner thinks all is well....im tired of the bar being progress.....and not even getting that. Look no further than the Giants - they knew Mcadoo was a bad coach in under 2 yrs and he didnt even make the 2d season.....they need to realize that any true rebuild cant move fwd with Gase.....which im not sure they realize at all.....frustrating.
I bet you cant say Chowdah!!It's not fair that in this whole thread nobody is giving crowder his due. From page one on not a single person.
The Tanenhill argument is pretty solid.Did a quick scan and didn’t see this posted in here. Perhaps just stating the obvious to everyone in here, but man what a fillet.
https://twitter.com/jetsonly1/status/1306624017638592513?s=21
It's 2020 - they're probably offering him an extention
It’s pathetic how unimaginative this offense really is.How does Gase survive this game? Gutless. Some offensive wizard. One yard routes every play. This team is embarrassing.
We saw the quitting last year in the first half.Putting aside the awful play calling and coaching n general - Gase flat out quit.....its the NFL and he was down 24-6 in the 4th and just ran Gore up the middle and was in run out the clock mode.....for a team that pulled the monday night miracle it was insulting......he stares at his sheet all game and has minimal interaction with the players....hes an OC and a poor one at that....he is not a leader of men and not an NFL HC......if CJ had any stones he would send a message that quitting is not acceptable and fire him tonight.......0 chance it happens but it really should!!!!!
how is quitting tolerated? It was clear as day Gase gave up....both O and D were terrible against SF's B team.....We saw the quitting last year in the first half.
I don't know what is worse: watching those 1 yard WR passes on third and long or going for a fg late in the third down by 21? Darnold will be Hackenberg by the middle of the season.
Let's not let G Williams off the hook either. He was great last year, but this year...um. He said that we were almost dominant last week. Now we give up a long rushing td on the first play of the game. Later in the game, it's third and over 30 yards to go and SF runs one for 55 yards. Unreal. It's painful to see how slow we are on both offense and defense.
At this point, how can we not root for Gase to be fired and for Lawrence with the first overall pick?
Yes he does. Which QB at this point doesn't? Rosen for sure. Haskins maybe. He's regressing big time under this coach.how is quitting tolerated? It was clear as day Gase gave up....both O and D were terrible against SF's B team.....
Bart Scott made an interesting comment post game - though I still mis Ray Lucas - Jets timeline does not match Sam's.....its going to take the Jets at least 2-3 yrs to be competitive....Sa would need a 2d contract which would put him at least $20M per yr......Lawrence would allow a reset of 5 yrs of a rookie QB contract....Sam looked terrible again today.....the rookie for SD looks more poised under pressure in his 1st game......Im losing patience
Him getting any carries at all is criminal at this point. Those carries wouldn’t help even if this team wasn’t helpless. Let’s see Adams and Perine and see if we have anything.how did gore get 21 carries? that alone should get you fired.
Ha, I hope you copied that from somewhere otherwise that's a lot of creativity and effort.jet fan? Side effects may include: nausea, vomiting, water weight gain, lower back pain, receding hairline, eczema, seborrhea, psoriasis, itchy chafing clothing, liver spots, blood clots, ringworm, excessive body odor, uneven tire wear, pyorrhea, gonorrhea, diarrhea, halitosis, scoliosis, loss of bladder control, hammertoe, the shanks, low sperm count, warped floors, cluttered drawers, hunchback, heart attack, low resale value on your home, feline leukemia, athlete's foot, head lice, club foot, MS, MD, VD, fleas, anxiety, sleeplessness, drowsiness, poor gas mileage, tooth decay, split ends, parvo, warts, unibrow, lazy eye, fruit flies, chest pains, clogged drains, hemorrhoids.
Perine had 3 carries for 17. You would think that he would get a few more, but not under Gross Negligence Gase.Him getting any carries at all is criminal at this point. Those carries don’t help even is this team wasn’t helpless. Let’s see Adams and Perine and see if we have anything.
Between this and the thread title change, it does make me sad that a casualty of COVID is not seeing the creativity and effort of the NYJ fanbase at games voicing displeasure -- booing, the signage, the expressions, etc. This is not a shy crowd, and wonder if fans were there vociferously showing how much Gase is disappointing them, it would add that much fuel to the fire around his departure.Ha, I hope you copied that from somewhere otherwise that's a lot of creativity and effort.
I don't think a coach has ever been hated this much since the infamous Rich Kotite. I doubt all the frustrations in the world would make a difference in this case though. This ownership is as tone-deaf as there is. They extend coaches and GMs while everyone else is calling for their heads. It's almost as if they don't want to admit that they made a bad hiring, so they give the coaches & GMs a long leash or extend them in an effort to give them more time to prove they were the right hire.Between this and the thread title change, it does make me sad that a casualty of COVID is not seeing the creativity and effort of the NYJ fanbase at games voicing displeasure -- booing, the signage, the expressions, etc. This is not a shy crowd, and wonder if fans were there vociferously showing how much Gase is disappointing them, it would add that much fuel to the fire around his departure.
Who knows.
I do know I miss seeing those uber-passionate outrageous and outspoken fans -- NYJ, NTG, PHI, even the Bills Mafia -- this year.
You obviously make a good point Rage as the Kottite comparison is pretty much apropos as this the most visceral anger I've ever seen for a Jet HC's head in my almost 50 years of fandom. Just spitballing here but hat I'm wondering and which greatly concerns me, which could be an obstacle in Gase getting canned sooner rather than later is didn't Gase have not just a little but alot too do with Douglass getting the GM gig in the first place?I don't think a coach has ever been hated this much since the infamous Rich Kotite. I doubt all the frustrations in the world would make a difference in this case though. This ownership is as tone-deaf as there is. They extend coaches and GMs while everyone else is calling for their heads. It's almost as if they don't want to admit that they made a bad hiring, so they give the coaches & GMs a long leash or extend them in an effort to give them more time to prove they were the right hire.
To make matters even worse, these idiot owners will extend and fire the Coach/GM in different timelines. It's just complete malfeasance.
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Well, at least we'll have Lafreniere in 2 weeks. My friend in NY said that if we won the Draft lottery, that he would buy me a Laf jersey. Last year, he said if we got Panarin and drafted Kakko, that he would send me a KK jersey. It's a beauty. I got a professional version. My Rangers closet is looking better with each draft.You obviously make a good point Rage as the Kottite comparison is pretty much apropos as this the most visceral anger I've ever seen for a Jet HC's head in my almost 50 years of fandom. Just spitballing here but hat I'm wondering and which greatly concerns me, which could be an obstacle in Gase getting canned sooner rather than later is didn't Gase have not just a little but alot too do with Douglass getting the GM gig in the first place?
I believe that is the case and so one would think that Douglass, even as smart and savvy of a guy as he is, might feel an unwarranted but understandable loyalty to Gase to have him at the very least finish out the year no matter who crap ### we are seeing if you get canned middle of the year, it don't get much more embarrassing than that and it might even hurt Gase's chances of ever getting a job again.
To clarify, I'm not saying it's the right move as obviously I don't because frankly I'd rather Greg Williams take over the rest of the season and see how the team does. But it's something too keep in mind as we all clamor for Gase's head and that Douglass got his job due to Gase and so we might have to live with this #### no matter who much we ##### and moan till after the season where Douglass would probably feel he could let Gase go a bit more justifiably and let Gase walk away with whatever dignity he has left.
It could happen even if they don't win those meaningless games. The Johnsons are complete morons.agreed strongly on last few posts.....
the Jets are an official laughingstock and are the joke of every analyst and fan today - I have yet to see or hear one single defender or believer in Gase.....except the owner who hired him. The Jets pride themselves in being a "family" more than an organization......id be absolutely shocked in Gase is fired during the year - its just not done by the Jets - even Kotite who won 3 games in 3 yrs with a more talented team than this got the entire season before he infamously "wasn't fired and didn't quit - stepped down"
CJ has lost any semblance of good will he had with the fans - where he seemed better than Woody he has now proven himself to be just as poor. He made a poor decision by letting Mac stay a few months too late to hurt the organization....made an awful decision on Gase and is now going to stubbornly refuse to address it....he wants so bad to be right and be able to shove it down everyones throat but it just wont happen.....Gase is that bad
My biggest fear is CJ lets Gase ride this out and they find a way to poach a few meaningless wins and they sell "progress" and this clown gets another year.....dont tell me its not possible.
Its literally the Kotite era without a Parcells out there to come to the rescue.
I always thought people were too hard on the Johnsons.....its clear they want to win and I have seen them spend money on players.....but the Bowles/Gase eras have shown they are clueless....they need to divest themselves of anything football related and let JD pick the coach....this awful set up of the GM/HC reporting to the guys who know nothing is destroying the franchise.....It could happen even if they don't win those meaningless games. The Johnsons are complete morons.
Unfortunately I doubt they have the self awareness or desire to admit that it's not working and to change the reporting structure.I always thought people were too hard on the Johnsons.....its clear they want to win and I have seen them spend money on players.....but the Bowles/Gase eras have shown they are clueless....they need to divest themselves of anything football related and let JD pick the coach....this awful set up of the GM/HC reporting to the guys who know nothing is destroying the franchise.....
I was so mad at Belichick for fleeing the Jets....now I just am even more impressed as he saw this mess coming.....Unfortunately I doubt they have the self awareness or desire to admit that it's not working and to change the reporting structure.
Look at the Mets. It took financial ruin to finally get them to sell the team. The Wilpons meddled in every decision. I don't think the Johnsons meddle in all the decisions, but they certainly screw up the big ones like who they hire.
Yes the future of our Rangers is ridiculously promising as I have no doubt that of the 4 NY franchises I've lived and died with the past almost 50 years..the Knicks, Rangers, Mets and Jets, the Rangers by far AINEC, have the best chance for me to attend another parade before it's curtains for me.Well, at least we'll have Lafreniere in 2 weeks. My friend in NY said that if we won the Draft lottery, that he would buy me a Laf jersey. Last year, he said if we got Panarin and drafted Kakko, that he would send me a KK jersey. It's a beauty. I got a professional version. My Rangers closet is looking better with each draft.
The worst part of this early season is seeing guys like Herbert, Allen, Burrow, and other young guys make some "rookie" mistakes but otherwise excel while all we get from Sam is the "rookie" mistakes.I get that every situation is different and that the Jets have a horrible coach and NO weapons right now.....but man is it demoralizing to see Justin Herbert come in cold with exactly 30 seconds of notice in week 2 and nearly lead his team to a win over the the superbowl champs. He looked significantly better than Darnold despite no first team reps and a limited training camp.
Starting to get more and more sure that Sam isn't the guy. (whether his fault or not) I kinda think he might be ruined.