Dr. Octopus
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People are praising something the Jets did. That’s unusual.
True, but it's a very low bar. Rich Kotite would be an upgrade over Gase.Going from Gase to Saleh has to be one of the biggest coaching upgrades in recent memory.
Not sure that he completely lives and breathes football. His wife is about to pop out their 7th child. He's giving Rivers and Cromartie a run for their money.Yes - there's still a lot of questions to be answered but I'm please with the hire and I'm pleased that they were able to land their first choice and it was a candidate that was in high demand.
Saleh will give this team instant credibility and he seems to live and breath coaching football. Q will be even more dangerous in a 4-3 scheme as well - they still need that elusive edge rusher of course and some help in the secondary to make this a top defense.
LaFleur as OC is also exciting as look at what the SF offense was able to do - they never lost much even when down to their third string QB and with their best weapon sidelined.
The next step is to decide who will be the QB in 2021 (and beyond) - unfortunately there's no easy answer on that one right now.
I do think it may be more important to build a team before "reaching" for a QB in this draft and if that means one more year with Darnold I could live with that while holding out some hope that Gase was even more detrimental to him than even we thought.Although Wilson is probably a good fit for the offense, I have to think that they will keep Darnold now. Heavy run offense. Lots of movement and throwing outside the pocket. We'll see. If anything, they might be more likely to trade down. Maybe they even draft a pass rusher now.
This x 1000%I do think it may be more important to build a team before "reaching" for a QB in this draft
Flacco needs to hit the road. He has no future with this team. Shouldn't Morgan be ready to be the back-up by now? I'm afraid that we all suspect that he won't be ready next year.I do think it may be more important to build a team before "reaching" for a QB in this draft and if that means one more year with Darnold I could live with that while holding out some hope that Gase was even more detrimental to him than even we thought.
I'd surely at least bring back Flacco but would prefer an even better veteran if we go with Sam in 2021.
I'm back on the Sewell train since he seems the safe play and like you said this should be a run heavy offense. Darnold may be a little more successful with time to throw and with an effective play action and roll out type of offense.
The "most important offseason" in a long time gets off to a good start at least. Go Joe D!!!
I don't think he has a future - I just want some one that can come in and move the team should Sam falter. Like I said I'd prefer an upgrade - and no I'm not willing to count on Morgan.Flacco needs to hit the road. He has no future with this team. Shouldn't Morgan be ready to be the back-up by now? I'm afraid that we all suspect that he won't be ready next year.
Let's find a younger back-up. Besides, I don't think Flacco fits into the Shanahan offenseI don't think he has a future - I just want some one that can come in and move the team should Sam falter. Like I said I'd prefer an upgrade - and no I'm not willing to count on Morgan.
Welcome.Saleh was my favorite coach this offseason. Considering that I love bad teams and I couldn't get behind the jets last year due to Gase being a #####, I officially declare that this year I'm a jets fan!
Definitely, but I have seen 2 knucklehead remarks in the last few minutes.Saleh is being universally praised which I have yet to see with a Jet hire.....
Ridiculous some of these peeps as some love to bash the Jets even when we do things right. What's ironic is this might be the first time in forever or at least since probably when Parcells came here almost 25 years ago, that most of Jet Nation is not #####ing and moaning about a coach we hired.Definitely, but I have seen 2 knucklehead remarks in the last few minutes.
Connor Orr of SI's MMQB column wrote that the Saleh was met with hesitant praise in NY because he is a defensive coordinator instead of an offensive guy. Wrong. Almost every Jets fan I know has been exuberant in praise about this hire.
Get this precious comment from a Giants fan friend of mine. He texted me: This was a dumb hire by the Jets. How could they go with a defensive coordinator? I replied, definitely dumb. How can they not hire a Special Teams coordinator like the Giants did? Sigh. People are dumb.
Now with the Saleh hire, my percentages of what we will do at the draft have shifted.Flacco needs to hit the road. He has no future with this team. Shouldn't Morgan be ready to be the back-up by now? I'm afraid that we all suspect that he won't be ready next year.
Daniel Jeremiah actually has Slater ahead of Sewell. That's interesting.
https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1332507781815930880
Anyway, assuming we don't go QB, then I see us trading down. If you land the second pick and don't get a QB, it's probably best to trade the pick for a bundle if that situation arises.
You/we will need new percentages after free agency. Things will continue to shift.Now with the Saleh hire, my percentages of what we will do at the draft have shifted.
I'm now 55% we trade down and get a haul which is up from 35 a week ago. Darnold is likely staying and Mike Lafleur will hopefully know how to fix him which means we need alot of #### to fortify the rest of the team and so a trade down to get some extra picks is kind of enticing to be honest.
I'm 40% we'll take Sewell and either he or Becton goes to RT and we have the foundation for one of the best lines in the league within the next year or so after Douglas finishes adding too it.
Remaining 5% is if the Jets shockingly take a WR like Smith or one of the two QB's. I really don't think we are going this route as both QB's are simply not that much better than Darnold is and #2 is too soon to take one of those stud WR's.
I can write up some bad reviews if it makes you guys feel more comfortableDefinitely, but I have seen 2 knucklehead remarks in the last few minutes.
Connor Orr of SI's MMQB column wrote that the Saleh was met with hesitant praise in NY because he is a defensive coordinator instead of an offensive guy. Wrong. Almost every Jets fan I know has been exuberant in praise about this hire.
Get this precious comment from a Giants fan friend of mine. He texted me: This was a dumb hire by the Jets. How could they go with a defensive coordinator? I replied, definitely dumb. How can they not hire a Special Teams coordinator like the Giants did? Sigh. People are dumb.
You make some good points and we are pretty much on the same page. I'm warming up to taking instead of Etienne who as you know I love, to instead taking Najee Harris at #34. We need someone like him...a playmaker who we can give the rock to 20 or so times a game. I know everyone says we can find RB's later in the draft and that may be true but when I see what guys like Derrick Henry and Dalvin Cook are doing both of them 2nd round picks, I really think bringing in a Harris with our 2nd round pick could be huge for this team....huge!!You/we will need new percentages after free agency. Things will continue to shift.
Lafleur may help Darnold in a much friendlier QB system, but I don't know about "fix". These guys aren't miracle-makers. Look at Garoppolo. He's not very good, but can function within the system (as long as the running game is performing well). Sam is more talented than Jimmy G, but I don't think he will ever elevate his teammates. Maybe he can be a decent game-manager in that system.
I don't think that Lafleur will suddenly fix his faults, but he will put him in position to minimize his faults unlike Gase who seemed stuck on his scheme. e.g. More one-read throws (Darnold isn't good at making reads). More play-action. Maybe move him around more than keeping him in that pocket.
If they stick with Darnold,then they will need more playmakers that can get their own yards after catch. The running game is important in this offense. It's also going to take more than Perine. It would be nice to get a real RB back there.
Again, the issue with Darnold isn't just his play on the field, it's his cost. I think they can get similar production at a much cheaper rate. He's got one more year at a reasonable rate. Then we're talking $20+ million. Not sure he is worth that, but at this point, whatever. I'm just going to go along with whatever JD and Saleh want to do.
Quiznos, I know it gets lonely on the Bengals board, so just become a Jets fan already. If you're going to root for losing teams, it's better to have company. You can start off with a promising new-hire of Saleh. No promises going forward though, but at least there will be others to share in the misery if/when things go south.I can write up some bad reviews if it makes you guys feel more comfortable
-QG
If they are keeping Darnold, then the timeline shifts, too. Although I wanted a RB before, I couldn't see JD going for one early in the draft if they were rebooting at QB. If they stick with Darnold and shifting towards a more RB heavy offense, then grabbing a RB with their second round pick makes it more reasonable now.You make some good points and we are pretty much on the same page. I'm warming up to taking instead of Etienne who as you know I love, to instead taking Najee Harris at #34. We need someone like him...a playmaker who we can give the rock to 20 or so times a game. I know everyone says we can find RB's later in the draft and that may be true but when I see what guys like Derrick Henry and Dalvin Cook are doing both of them 2nd round picks, I really think bringing in a Harris with our 2nd round pick could be huge for this team....huge!!
I'm starting to wonder if Harris will even be there at 34 as his stock has gone way up. He's definitly be there at 23 but that might be too early too take him or Etienne. You guys convinced me of that a few weeks ago. So 34 would be golden but I'm afraid he's going to be gone same with Etienne.If they are keeping Darnold, then the timeline shifts, too. Although I wanted a RB before, I couldn't see JD going for one early in the draft if they were rebooting at QB. If they stick with Darnold and shifting towards a more RB heavy offense, then grabbing a RB with their second round pick makes it more reasonable now.
It's likely that one is gone, maybe both.I'm starting to wonder if Harris will even be there at 34 as his stock has gone way up. He's definitly be there at 23 but that might be too early too take him or Etienne. You guys convinced me of that a few weeks ago. So 34 would be golden but I'm afraid he's going to be gone same with Etienne.
You got to figure if the Jets trade down from 2 to let's say Atlanta even at 4, the Jets are going to get alot more than a 3rd and 4th rounder. If anything, I'd expect a 2nd rounder this year and probably a 1st and 3rd next year in order for us to move down. And if it's lets say the Panthers at 6, we should get alot more than that.It's likely that one is gone, maybe both.
Maybe they can trade down a few spots in the first and pick up a third or 4th rounder.
Yeah other than draft stuff (to see rumors I'll leave you all to your new NFC West Coordinator turned head coach man. Was just goofin' a little as there really hasn't been much neggin' on Saleh for you guys. It's like Peter King saying something nice about the Bengals - hard to process.Quiznos, I know it gets lonely on the Bengals board, so just become a Jets fan already. If you're going to root for losing teams, it's better to have company. You can start off with a promising new-hire of Saleh. No promises going forward though, but at least there will be others to share in the misery if/when things go south.
They can't take a RB at 23 - need a player at a premiere position there. I'd love Harris at 34 though - but if they miss him there's a few other good backs coming out.I'm starting to wonder if Harris will even be there at 34 as his stock has gone way up. He's definitly be there at 23 but that might be too early too take him or Etienne. You guys convinced me of that a few weeks ago. So 34 would be golden but I'm afraid he's going to be gone same with Etienne.
I agree - Id like to see them get an IOL at that spot or maybe get lucky and Pitts falls for a premiere TE....then RB with the 2d rd pick....dont think both Etienne and Harris would go in the 1st....1 may fall and worth rolling the dice.They can't take a RB at 23 - need a player at a premiere position there. I'd love Harris at 34 though - but if they miss him there's a few other good backs coming out.
Not really. I just dissent from the good vibes. I don't want to. I really wanted an offensive coach to coach the Jets. If you've watched us the past twenty years religiously, you might have the same feeling. We haven't moved the ball effectively since Vinny Testaverde. That's some 1998 stuff. Before anybody chimes in with Pennington, he never had a strong arm and good defenses adjusted even before his injury, hence getting wiped by the Raiders in '02 in the playoffs the year he was remotely effective.@rockaction....you starting the weekend early or something?
They don't really need to pay DEs until they find good ones and if they did that would mean they will have a pass rush in theory.Okay guys,
Count me among the dissent. First, defense. That's not how today's game moves. The Rams have one of the best players on defense ever along the line and at DB and are 9-6 and mediocre. Moreso, we just invested in a 4-3 coach coming from a 3-4 build. That means cap capital and draft capital going into defensive end, the most expensive defensive position there is to maintain, the two DEs. On a team that has no pass rush to speak and whose best linebacker that would fit that scheme hasn't played in two years. So there goes all your draft and cap capital going to a team that had an adequate defense last year in an offense-laden league (anyone watch the Bills lately?) with QBs out the wazoo and rules not to touch them. Ever. So we're fighting into the fire of the dragon to begin with. Our coach's strength vs. league tendencies doesn't add up. And he was a DL coach before coordinator. He hasn't bounced around from the offense and back to defense like some of these guys that have experience on both sides of the ball. That worries me. Shanahan ran that very complex offense hiding all things QB. Saleh had nothing to do with that. So all things constant, wrong hire.
Second, you guys are wrong about running backs. We're likely not taking a running back to fit San Francisco's scheme early. SF spends time and scouting on late-round guys, guys who are thin, low BMI, fast, one cut runners who hit holes fast and hard and run with great speed. Just not great durability. They have an embarrassment of UDFA riches over in Frisco. I highly doubt draft capital goes to a running back. I could see Etienne, but not Harris if that's the way they surprise me and choose to go. Depends how they run in the forty. But all Jets backs will at least be this: One cut and off. That's the type of guy they'll bring in. They probably won't bring in all around backs like Harris at #23. I highly doubt it. Depends what he runs.
Third, Darnold. One of the worst QBs, statistic-wise, in the NFL. Not even close to Tannehill level under Gase. And Tannehill has Henry and Brown and Davis to make him look good now. It's not just Gase. Darnold has some of the worst advanced metrics you'll ever see for a guy starting for three years. So we're stuck with him for another year. And how will we address our QB issue when we're fairly certain that cap room will address the defensive line? I don't see it.
In all, bad hire for the Jets for all that it portends. I know today's not the day we do it, but today is to celebrate a non-Super Bowl coach maybe going 10-6 some years if you're really lucky.
If you have a good OC, does it matter if the HC is a defense guy?Not really. I just dissent from the good vibes. I don't want to. I really wanted an offensive coach to coach the Jets. If you've watched us the past twenty years religiously, you might have the same feeling. We haven't moved the ball effectively since Vinny Testaverde. That's some 1998 stuff. Before anybody chimes in with Pennington, he never had a strong arm and good defenses adjusted even before his injury, hence getting wiped by the Raiders in '02 in the playoffs the year he was remotely effective.
I don't care if we lose, frankly, I'm just tired of losing ugly, which is what I see a lot of with our new DL coach. Lots of money in the defensive line, just like when we had Sheldon Richardson/Muhammad Wilkerson/Leonard Williams and Todd Bowles as head coach. I see 10-6 as our ceiling with that arrangement in today's football. Even the Giants, who dominated the SB with guys like Strahan, Osi, and Justin Tuck (and JPP for the second one, IIRC) had some legendary guys at the position. We're going to spend all our money going from a 3-4 to a 4-3 because now the front has got to be paid. And we have paid tied up in our linebacker Moseley and first-round capital in Williams, who's an interior guy.
All in all, it's not a happy day. I've never been impressed with a guy that jumps up and down on the sidelines as a head coach kind of guy. I mean, Shanahan had his prints all over that team.
That's fair. I think I've listed fairly specific reasons why I'm not happy with the hire. Contrarians just gonna contrary. I've got my reasons.Why do you need your head coach to coordinate your offense?
They're projected to be $70m below the cap. They will be out from under Mosley after next year season.
And the 49ers did a pretty good job going from a 3-4 to 4-3.
I think you're being contrarian just to be so.
They'll keep him as Darnold's security blanket. But you've nailed it. We have made some fundamentally bad decisions in the past. He can be replaced by Berrios, for all I'm concerned. Crowder is better than most give him credit for, as he does make plays downfield unlike your typical quick but not fast slot guy. But he's a) a slot guy b) oft-injured.What they really need to do is cut Jamison Crowder. $11m for THAT?
True.They don't really need to pay DEs until they find good ones and if they did that would mean they will have a pass rush in theory.
Also true. That's one thing about Shanahan having his footprints all over the offense. You don't really know. But if the RB coach comes along with Saleh, one can be a little disposed to thinking it'll be similar to SF.I don't think the team will 100% follow the Niners blueprint - for all we know Saleh would prefer bigger durable RBs
I think it does. Decisions all over the field will be made from a defensive point of view with a defensive guy (I would say most of the time this is true. It is not true all of the time.) Unless the OC has major pull, I don't see offense (especially the passing game) being an emaphasis of the coaches. If we're bringing in SF guys, it sounds like a run and defense team, not the combination I'm really looking forward to watching. Yeah, it's nice to watch Mostert and crew if you have them for fantasy football. It's not so great otherwise.If you have a good OC, does it matter if the HC is a defense guy?
Mosley tolled this year. He's got two left, I believe.They're projected to be $70m below the cap. They will be out from under Mosley after year season.
Overthecap says they can save $5m next year. That may be wrong with his opt out, I'm not sure.Mosley tolled this year. He's got two left, I believe.