His track record is terrible. I don't care if it was the Lions, the Redskins, Bears or any other team that he just came from, his reputation was built on Peyton Manning's arm 5 years ago. What coach didn't succeed with a healthy Peyton as the QB? His offenses have done nothing but suck since and players hate him. There is no upside with this hire. He's perfect for this joke of a franchise though so I guess there's that.Bottom line is if Gase came over from a non divisional team or as an offensive coordinator people in here would be drooling.
He's 3-3 against the Patriots.He was the absolute worst candidate they interviewed. His offenses have been bottom 3rd without Manning, he clashed with players at every turn, his Dolphins teams got worse every year and 5 of his 23 wins came against the Jets when they too sucked. What a joke. BB and Brady must be laughing hysterically in between studying Chargers practice film as the rest of the AFCE just keeps recycling each other's trash. Rex, Bowles, Tannenbaum, Gase. JFC.
He went 23-25 with Ryan Tannehill, retired Jay Cutler, Matt Moore, and Brock Osweiler. He was 13-11 with Ryan Tannehill. Sam Darnold will instantly become the best QB he has coached since Manning.His track record is terrible. I don't care if it was the Lions, the Redskins, Bears or any other team that he just came from, his reputation was built on Peyton Manning's arm 5 years ago. What coach didn't succeed with a healthy Peyton as the QB? His offenses have done nothing but suck since and players hate him. There is no upside with this hire. He's perfect for this joke of a franchise though so I guess there's that.
Always excuses. Maccganan gets excuses for his poor record and Gase gets excuses for his. Between the two of them it's good to know the losing to come won't be either of their fault. Where were the excuses for Bowles when he had McClown, Fitzpatrick, Petty, etc... as his QBs with wasted draft picks like Hack, Stewart, Smith, etc... clogging up roster space? Gase is a retread with an oversized reputation as an offensive "genius" yet a terrible offensive record outside of 2 years with arguably the best pure passer in league history. There is no positive spin, it was a terrible hire. I want it to work out because i'm tired of the loser treadmill, but I have zero hope that it will.He went 23-25 with Ryan Tannehill, retired Jay Cutler, Matt Moore, and Brock Osweiler. He was 13-11 with Ryan Tannehill. Sam Darnold will instantly become the best QB he has coached since Manning.
I think most Jets fans (at least here) wanted Mac gone as well.Maccganan gets excuses for his poor record and Gase gets excuses for his.
Manning put up 4600/37 the year before Gase got there. That's not serious decline. Yes he had a historic year with Gates that first year, but IMHO he's living off of that and gets far too much credit for it....Manning was not the same player when Gase was the OC there - he clearly had lost arm strength and was in serious decline - and Manning has praised Gase's offensive genius. Now sure Manning was still wicked smart and was largely responsible for the success but Gase did run that offense - we can't take it away.
...The guy has been in the NFL for a long while and has a pretty decent resume if you don't look at his name and just his experience.
...I'm not ready to say they got this wrong yet.
I'm not being snarky - but did you watch many games? Manning was throwing ducks. His neck injury sapped his arm. He was still super smart and knew how to pick apart defenses and had a great supporting cast but he was not the "best pure passer of all time" at that point. But I will agree that it was obviously more Manning than Gase.Manning put up 4600/37 the year before Gase got there. That's not serious decline. Yes he had a historic year with Gates that first year, but IMHO he's living off of that and gets far too much credit for it.
and I'm talking about his full history in this league - I know you don't want to hear excuses but when the best QB he worked with during your highlighted link was Tannehill - what would you expect? Washed up Cutler, career journeyman Moore, Brock Osweiler ( a guy that the Texans had to pay a second round pick just to get rid of him) no thanks?Manning put up 4600/37 the year before Gase got there. That's not serious decline. Yes he had a historic year with Gates that first year, but IMHO he's living off of that and gets far too much credit for it.
As for his resume outside of riding Peyton's coattails? Just look at this from pro-football reference:
This is not a "pretty decent resume"
I am ready to say they got it wrong. I will happily eat crow if I turn out to be way off, but i'm not going to play gullible fan and blindly give any benefits of the doubt. The Jets don't deserve it and neither does Gase.
This is how I feel about it. I would have been ok with McCarthy too (although he did seem a bit stale), but I definitely wanted a guy with NFL HC experience. Gase got an awful lot out of Tannehill, and once he got hurt, it was a less-than-underwhelming group that led that team. Darnold is already a better QB than anything he had in Miami, so I'm not going to hold his overall W-L record against him. He will have to learn to deal with the media better, but overall, I'm pretty excited.Surprised everyone here wanted McCarthy. He is old, outdated, and hasn't shown anything great on offense in a while... even with the best QB in the league. McCarthy would have been a boring hire.
Not saying Gase is THAT much more exciting, but the guy at least is a young offensive mind that seems to get his teams to overachieve. He instantly steps into twice the talent he had in Miami. He brought a bad team to the playoffs in his first year there and people considered him a COY candidate.
I like the hiring. I think he does good things with a fresh start, talented players, and he refocuses on the things that made him great elsewhere.
I will give you that his physical skills were declining, that's fair enough. My point is that even without Gase he was succeeding at levels comparable to his previous performance when he was at full strength. To give the credit to Gase for figuring out how to succeed with a diminished Manning is ignoring that the offense was really good the year prior without Gase there.I'm not being snarky - but did you watch many games? Manning was throwing ducks. His neck injury sapped his arm. He was still super smart and knew how to pick apart defenses and had a great supporting cast but he was not the "best pure passer of all time" at that point. But I will agree that it was obviously more Manning than Gase.
I dont take this year as serious as its clear Rodgers was changing plays and clearly in mutiny mode...but even though I look at the entire experience as a whole and its no comparisonAdam Gase had a better record this year with Tannehill/Osweiler than McCarthy had with Rodgers.
Gase absolutely did not get any significant amount more out of Tannehill than Philban and Lazor did:Gase got an awful lot out of Tannehill
I would argue Bowels did more with Fitzpatrick and McCown (who each had a real good season), than Gase did with any of his QBs. I don't know enough about Gase to say I hate this hire, but the Jets and my rooting history with this team tell me this wont work out. Jets are just an awful franchise, simple. I hope they asked Gase about his usage of Gore v. Drake and got a solid answer, cause a lot of knowledgable people seemed confused. Gase had a say in his roster, so blaming a bad roster on performance is his fault. After McCagnan screws up this offseason I figure they clean house again in 2020 or 2021. With the Steelers, Cowboys & Giants all visiting the Jets this year, can't wait to see CrapLife stadium 75%-90% filled with opposing fans.Always excuses. Maccganan gets excuses for his poor record and Gase gets excuses for his. Between the two of them it's good to know the losing to come won't be either of their fault. Where were the excuses for Bowles when he had McClown, Fitzpatrick, Petty, etc... as his QBs with wasted draft picks like Hack, Stewart, Smith, etc... clogging up roster space? Gase is a retread with an oversized reputation as an offensive "genius" yet a terrible offensive record outside of 2 years with arguably the best pure passer in league history. There is no positive spin, it was a terrible hire. I want it to work out because i'm tired of the loser treadmill, but I have zero hope that it will.
This is a great point that i've been thinking about. Everyone says that maybe he's learned lessons. What is the humbling moment that makes him reflect on things he did wrong? He doesn't have to go prove himself, he simply gets another job right away so he can feel like the disfunction was all on them. He has no reason, nor has he had the time to change his ways.if he got another OC job somewhere and put in 2 yrs re-establishing himself then Id be ok - how many coaches fail in the 1st stint, immediately get another job and are great? My list of Kotite, Mangini, Herm and Rex were all terrible after - even Bellichick had to re-establish himself before getting another shot. What did Gase do to deserve what is essentially a better job?
Apparently - but he backed out when he was told he could not hire all of his assistants. He wanted his college guys, Mac and Johnson wanted to "force" some guys with professional experience on him.was matt rhule actually considered for this?
If you believe the reports he was actually the first choice but they had concerns about his staff not having any NFL experience so they wanted input on building it. I loved what I heard about Rhule's leadership, program building and organizational philosophy. I'd have been fine with a proven but unexciting guy like McCarthy. Instead we get the worst of all worlds in Gase.was matt rhule actually considered for this?
I know this is a fantasy football message board so we'll have jaded owners of players automatically thinking the coach is an idiot for not using their guy....butThe same genius that criminally under used Drake?
I think there is some merit to your comment. I don't think we would be drooling though. He's coming off of 2 losing seasons, so yeah, there is a perceived stench coming from that.Bottom line is if Gase came over from a non divisional team or as an offensive coordinator people in here would be drooling.
This was reported by several people so strong chance it's true.Apparently - but he backed out when he was told he could not hire all of his assistants. He wanted his college guys, Mac and Johnson wanted to "force" some guys with professional experience on him.
I do not think they will push anyone on Gase because he is an experienced coach and will bring in NFL assistant coaches.This was reported by several people so strong chance it's true.
Would cause me a lot of concern if I was a Jet's fan. Seems crazy to think they could identify Rhule as the coach they wanted but somehow think they were so much more qualified then him to put his staff together that they instead went for option 2. Does not seem like a solid decision making process and it now it would stand to reason those two have heavy influence on Gase's staff which would not give me a great feeling either.
See my above post about Tannehill, Gase didn't do anything to improve his play and it can easily be argued that Tannehill got worse under Gase (TD/INT ratio was worse than under Philban). So even if you want to excuse away the poor overall offensive performances due to the QBs he had to work with and Tannehill's injuries, you can't turn around and try to defend his reputation as a guy who gets the most out of his players when the best QB he did have was at best the same under him as he was the previous regime and at worst better without him.and I'm talking about his full history in this league - I know you don't want to hear excuses but when the best QB he worked with during your highlighted link was Tannehill - what would you expect? Washed up Cutler, career journeyman Moore, Brock Osweiler ( a guy that the Texans had to pay a second round pick just to get rid of him) no thanks?
And I'm far from a gullible blind fan - but I'm also not trying to be a typical jaded Jets fan - I understand why of course (I've lived it for a long time) but it's not always doom and gloom either.
Another way to look at it is that you're not just hiring a head coach, you're hiring a coaching staff.This was reported by several people so strong chance it's true.
Would cause me a lot of concern if I was a Jet's fan. Seems crazy to think they could identify Rhule as the coach they wanted but somehow think they were so much more qualified then him to put his staff together that they instead went for option 2. Does not seem like a solid decision making process and it now it would stand to reason those two have heavy influence on Gase's staff which would not give me a great feeling either.
You already posted the stats, so there's not much arguing with them, but I still feel Tannehill looked a lot better under Gase. iirc, there was never any winning record under Philban, which could mean a lot of garbage time (I admit I don't recall quite that level of detail though - I watched more as a Tannehill owner than anything). I gotta grab onto what Manning said about the guy.See my above post about Tannehill, Gase didn't do anything to improve his play and it can easily be argued that Tannehill got worse under Gase (TD/INT ratio was worse than under Philban). So even if you want to excuse away the poor overall offensive performances due to the QBs he had to work with and Tannehill's injuries, you can't turn around and try to defend his reputation as a guy who gets the most out of his players when the best QB he did have was at best the same under him as he was the previous regime and at worst better without him.
I wish I could be more optimistic, I really do. I think I could have found positives with any of the other candidates, even Caldwell, but this one is just so unbelievably bad that I refuse to let Lucy pull the ball out from under me again. This time Charlie Brown is walking away.
A "prickly" HC and a "nasty" "dirty" DC - that would certainly be a change from the most boring coaching staff in NFL history at least.
we both basically posted the same thing at the same time.Gase and Williams will be one salty duo. Talk about a change from Club Med Bowles.
Thats the Jets.....swing from one side to the other extreme.....Rex to Bowles back to this.....I prefer the more outgoing and inspiring obviously....but hope its not too extreme....dont need the Rex like circus back againA "prickly" HC and a "nasty" "dirty" DC - that would certainly be a change from the most boring coaching staff in NFL history at least.
This is so true. At least it's not a first time head coach again Bowles, Rex, Mangini, etcThats the Jets.....swing from one side to the other extreme.....Rex to Bowles back to this.....I prefer the more outgoing and inspiring obviously....but hope its not too extreme....dont need the Rex like circus back again
That's pretty typical for most teams in most sports.Thats the Jets.....swing from one side to the other extreme.....Rex to Bowles back to this.....I prefer the more outgoing and inspiring obviously....but hope its not too extreme....dont need the Rex like circus back again
The Jets were the last team to keep the Pats out of the AFCC game.8 championship games for the Patriots/5 Super Bowls - 5 new HC of NYJ in same span.....
Lol. Was just gonna post he’s the crazy eyed killer.Gase looks like a serial killer.
His eyes are bugging me out.Lol. Was just gonna post he’s the crazy eyed killer.