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Yet Gase sent him back in the game vs Denver.....Just to make it even more difficult to evaluate our "franchise" QB - lets hold him out multiple weeks.
Yet Gase sent him back in the game vs Denver.....Just to make it even more difficult to evaluate our "franchise" QB - lets hold him out multiple weeks.
Probably increases his trade value to not be playing.Just to make it even more difficult to evaluate our "franchise" QB - lets hold him out multiple weeks.
Thx for not flaming and yes tho most in here and in Jet Nation would take Lawrence, it's not a crazy idea to say screw that we have so many holes to plug, let's just get a haul above all hauls.Im not going to flame you - its not a crazy take at all......jets reset a decade of solid teams with the 4 1st rd draft pick yr. A bounty of picks is enticing.....key for me anyway is to have sam show big improvement down the stretch when he has some of his weapons back.....then agree to a reasonable extension in the offseason. If those both happen then I wouldnt completely lose my mind if they passed on Lawrence.
Your not insinuating that being a bit cautious with Sam isn't the prudent move are you?Just to make it even more difficult to evaluate our "franchise" QB - lets hold him out multiple weeks.
That's what I'm talking about. Join me on "Let's not give up on Sam Island"...there are still plenty of girls to choose from...lolI can get behind this. I'm in the "Sam hasn't had a fair chance at all" camp.
In retrospect probably a dumb move by a dumb dumb head coach. Same as putting Becton back in....ugggg this team...smh!!!Yet Gase sent him back in the game vs Denver.....
No, it's more frustration over the situation. It just makes the decision on whether to pick up his 5th year option even more difficult.Your not insinuating that being a bit cautious with Sam isn't the prudent move are you?
I get it and hear you and yet only thing that we can do is hope for and cross our fingers about is that when Sam comes back Game 7, he'll also be joined by Mims and Perriman so he could have 3 NFL caliber receivers to throw the rock to.No, it's more frustration over the situation. It just makes the decision on whether to pick up his 5th year option even more difficult.
It is pretty funny what he does with the titles. This latest one with Gore is an exemplary effort by the good doctor!
Honestly I'm at the point where I hope they don't fire him until the end of the season so that he can't get off the sinking ship he played a huge part in creating. The only downside of not firing him now is the slim chance they bring him back in 2021.I was just listening to Tony Pauline's podcast and he believes that the reason that the Jets haven't canned Gase yet is because Chris Johnson wants to save face. Hmm, that's what I was speculating above somewhere. Typical for the Johnsons.
Pauline says that he's talked to players and that Gase has lost the locker room and still expects Gase to be fired during the season. When he asked a player about Gase still being there, the player said that it's because management likes him. Sounds like a good reason. Grr
Honestly I'm at the point where I hope they don't fire him until the end of the season so that he can't get off the sinking ship he played a huge part in creating. The only downside of not firing him now is the slim chance they bring him back in 2021.
Logic would dictate that it's only a slim chance, BUT this is the Jets team that we're talking about. They have a history of keeping coaches/gms longer than they should and of making bad personnel decisions. We should all be scared.Honestly I'm at the point where I hope they don't fire him until the end of the season so that he can't get off the sinking ship he played a huge part in creating. The only downside of not firing him now is the slim chance they bring him back in 2021.
With the Johnsons, it's not unlikely as it seems.Could you imagine that...the Jets bringing Gase back after what looks like an epically horrific year? I mean I guess it's possible as the ineptitude of this franchise knows no bounds.
Just the fact that you bring this up and and this is even a possibility has given me agida and it's only 10:00 in the morning...argggg!
Think about this for a moment. As an almost 50 year fan of the Mets, Jets, Knicks and Rangers look at what myself and my other compadres who also root for these teams have had to deal with over the years. I'm just going to look at the last 20 years of each franchise for ####s and giggles:Both NY teams primary problem is incompetent ownership. In this case, I really don't get Johnson's logic in trying to save face because he's doing the opposite everyday he keeps Gase. I was hoping for Jets fans' sake that the controversy around Woody Johnson's racist comments from a couple/few months ago would force the Johnson's to sell the team like what happened with the Clippers owner, but that's obviously not going to happen. Jets fans are stuck with this. I honestly wouldn't spend any money on either NY team until they make major changes starting with either selling the team (no real chance of that) or ownership completely changing their approach and just getting out of the way. Either way, I don't want to give those trust fund morons my money.
Think about this for a moment. As an almost 50 year fan of the Mets, Jets, Knicks and Rangers look at what myself and my other compadres who also root for these teams have had to deal with over the years. I'm just going to look at the last 20 years of each franchise for ####s and giggles:
The Jets have had Leon Hess and since than the Johnsons. It actually wasn't terrible under Hess but certainly not good. Under the Johnson's however, it's been a dumpster fire for the most part tho there was a semblance of success from 2000 thru 2010 in spite of themselves. Since 2011 tho, the Jets have turned into a clown show...total embarrassment and one of the worst teams in the league by far.
The Mets have had pretty much since the 1980's, the Wilpons. Once again, there have been a few good years since 2000 but overall under the Wilpons, its also been a dumpster fire with consistant ineptitude symbolizing the franchise. Finally tho there is hope for us in Metland as the Wilpons are gone and now Steve Cohen is in which should be mean he'll spend money to bring in solid players and hire competent people to run the baseball operations. We'll see but I'm hopeful for first time in a longtime.
The Knicks have been a dumpster fire as well for the past 20 years with I believe just one or two playoff playoff appearances in the past two decades. James Dolan might be the worst owner in all of sports despite his desire to hire the best people to run the team. He has failed miserably in that regard and the Knicks remain a joke and embarrassment.
The Rangers are an anomaly. You still have the worst owner in all of sports Dolan owning them yet somehow, someway, he has hired the right people to run the franchise and he stays out of the way unlike what he does with the Knicks and over the past 20 years, the Rangers have been one of the most successful teams in the NHL. Now they are on the cusp after a very quick rebuild of being one of the top teams in the league and should compete for Stanley Cups for the rest of the decade beginning next year.
Anyways, it's bizarro world that somehow Dolan hasn't f'd up the Rangers but I'll take it as at least I have one team that is competently run and that has hope for a parade I can attend again before I kick the bucket.
Bottom line: Ownership matters and as one can readily see, fans like moi of the teams I mentioned have been totally f'd for decades due to the incompetency of these owners. For us Jet fans, I don't see things changing unless and this is a big if but, if Douglass can get enough autonomy to implement all the changes he wants to do including hiring a new coach, I do think there is a modicum of some hope as I'm a firm believer that Douglass absolutely knows WTF he's doing. He just needs to be able to do it.
What are you talking about? Do you follow hockey?The rangers have been one of the best teams in hockey? Okay. They haven't been a contender in the last 20 years
I hate to disagree with you but I've said it a bunch of times before and I'll say it again...Gase is here for the rest of the season no matter the record. I'd say there's a 95% chance I'll be right and it's not because Douglass can't fire him...he won't is the reason!.I'm pretty confident Gase's last game will be week 9 against New England. They're gonna lose 2 more division games, get humiliated by Kansas City week 8 (watch Bell go for like 150 total yards and 2 TD's) and then New England will destroy them on Monday night. And with the bye after that, that will be it.
I think....I guess.....I hope?
"Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane". - Ellis Boyd ReddingI'm pretty confident Gase's last game will be week 9 against New England. They're gonna lose 2 more division games, get humiliated by Kansas City week 8 (watch Bell go for like 150 total yards and 2 TD's) and then New England will destroy them on Monday night. And with the bye after that, that will be it.
I think....I guess.....I hope?
From the way Douglass handled the Jamal situation, it's not surprising in the least that he sent Bell packing. Douglass seems to be a guy who doesn't want malcontents in the locker room even in an 0-5 locker room. Douglass from what it sounds like, thought Bell was going to be problem going forward and didn't want a guy like him publicly disrespecting the team.Pretty much everyone agrees that the Johnsons are the primary source of this franchise's problems, but after the way Bell was handled I think it's fair to start questioning Douglas. Either he has no real power and influence so he couldn't fire Gase and/or can't convince Johnson to let him despite the HUGE amount of evidence saying Gase needs to go, or he's as delusional as the Johnsons and doesn't think it's a necessary move to help the team. Reports that Gase has lost the locker room don't even need to be verified IMO considering it's really obvious.
Bell, on the other hand, even though he's temperamental wasn't the problem. Plus, they're paying Bell either way so it's not like they saved money by cutting him. Keeping Gase and getting rid of Bell will only make the players hate Gase even more, not that it's needed since based on the way they play they already don't respect him. Gase has done way, way more than enough to prove he doesn't deserve this job. WTF is Douglas waiting for? If he wanted to fire Gase, which would be the only reasonable move at this point, then he obviously he no real influence over the Johnsons. If he actually thought that Bell was the problem and Gase deserves more time to turn things around, then Douglas is part of the problem too. Either way, Douglas doesn't walk away from this looking good at all IMO.
Douglas does not have the authority to fire Gase. We all know that.Pretty much everyone agrees that the Johnsons are the primary source of this franchise's problems, but after the way Bell was handled I think it's fair to start questioning Douglas. Either he has no real power and influence so he couldn't fire Gase and/or can't convince Johnson to let him despite the HUGE amount of evidence saying Gase needs to go, or he's as delusional as the Johnsons and doesn't think it's a necessary move to help the team. Reports that Gase has lost the locker room don't even need to be verified IMO considering it's really obvious.
Bell, on the other hand, even though he's temperamental wasn't the problem. Plus, they're paying Bell either way so it's not like they saved money by cutting him. Keeping Gase and getting rid of Bell will only make the players hate Gase even more, not that it's needed since based on the way they play they already don't respect him. Gase has done way, way more than enough to prove he doesn't deserve this job. WTF is Douglas waiting for? If he wanted to fire Gase, which would be the only reasonable move at this point, then he obviously he no real influence over the Johnsons. If he actually thought that Bell was the problem and Gase deserves more time to turn things around, then Douglas is part of the problem too. Either way, Douglas doesn't walk away from this looking good at all IMO.
What crap did Bell pull? Liking posts on social media? This just shows once again what a weirdo Gase is.To be honest, I'm not too upset about this as Bell seemed like he wanted out as well. I don't blame Douglass one bit for wanting Bell gone after the crap he pulled again.
Adams was a million times worse. I remember when people defended Adams with hey, it was just business.What crap did Bell pull? Liking posts on social media? This just shows once again what a weirdo Gase is.
Douglas did Bell a favor by releasing him.
His press conference when asked why he did not use Bell properly is just a microcosm of his time here. I can't imagine how this guy could have been impressive in an interview.Adams was a million times worse. I remember when people defended Adams with hey, it was just business.
This felt more like Gase couldn't have anyone in his locker room that wasn't willing to go along with his idiocy.
The answer is Johnson. The same way that Idzik, Bowles, and Maccagnan were somehow impressive.His press conference when asked why he did not use Bell properly is just a microcosm of his time here. I can't imagine how this guy could have been impressive in an interview.
Well to be fair, Mac talked a good game and I was a believer at first, but good point. I can't believe they didn't fall asleep during the Bowles interview.The answer is Johnson. The same way that Idzik, Bowles, and Maccagnan were somehow impressive.
Go to the LINK for the full read.Jets trade Sam Darnold to Colts
Indianapolis Colts get: QB Sam Darnold
New York Jets get: 2021 second-round pick, 2022 third-round pick (conditional)
That wouldn't happen unless the Jets secured the top pick. I'll let you know in January.NFL trade deadline offers: 13 proposals for players who could get dealt in 2020, including Sam Darnold, Dwayne Haskins, Zach Ertz
Go to the LINK for the full read.
Pretty good article, reasonable suggested trades. I saw Rivers Sunday, the Colts need a QB so it makes sense from their side. Haven't really followed Sam. How do the Jet fans feel about the 'proposed' trade?
Adam Gase, is that you?I figure Gore has about 10 more years left.
Those aren't rumors. They're speculative articles.Sam Darnold trade rumors are in full swing now...
I know this is crazy but in lieu of the horrific injury to Dak and the leadership to take you to the promised land for Trevor Lawrence, why not trade Darnold to Dallas, not sure exactly what you could get but my thinking is that Dallas is good enough to where they won't be able to Draft a young QB and then develop them, that offense is built to win now and Dak is going to be gone a long time. Maybe Darnold couldn't help them as much this year but they have a cheap QB to teach him the playbook, he has a lot of game experience and then you can stock pile losses with Joe Flacco and get Trevor plus stock pile draft picks...follow my logic here?
McCarthy is going to want to keep himself working and there's no way he can sit back with Dak gone for 18+ months and Dalton as his main QB and just shrug his shoulders. He needs a reality check of where he is at, they need another arm to keep developing. That's just my overreaction today and would be interested in your thoughts, cheers Jets Fans.
I didn't open the conversation up wide enough and just focused on Dallas but I have felt like Darnold would be turned over as a Jet to another team and maybe actually get his career turned around since before the season even started. It sounds like the Jets are going to be involved in a lot of trade rumors for a while. If they keep Darnold, his value on Draft Day after Trevor is gone will be somewhat high. This isn't Josh Rosen by any stretch and I still think he can be a successful NFL QB with the right team. Look what happened to Tannehill once he landed on a competently run NFL Team which Miami was surely not when he left.Done.
I don’t think they’ll trade Sam in-season nor would Dallas want to trade for him in-season - but I like the thoughts and it surely makes sense.
I don't think they move him until the offseason, if at all. They need to know they have a top pick locked up before they can consider it.I didn't open the conversation up wide enough and just focused on Dallas but I have felt like Darnold would be turned over as a Jet to another team and maybe actually get his career turned around since before the season even started. It sounds like the Jets are going to be involved in a lot of trade rumors for a while. If they keep Darnold, his value on Draft Day after Trevor is gone will be somewhat high. This isn't Josh Rosen by any stretch and I still think he can be a successful NFL QB with the right team. Look what happened to Tannehill once he landed on a competently run NFL Team which Miami was surely not when he left.