Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Realistically they can't win any of those three games, but we all know the "any given Sunday" caveat. I think 0-9 is pretty likely though.
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2023 New York Jets: Bye Bye (10 Viewers)
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, supposedly there was talk about moving him at last year's trade deadline. His tangible production (in terms of sacks and other big plays, which you would expect from a D lineman taken in the top 3) has been minuscule. Add in the fact that Douglas wasn't the GM that drafted him (freaking Jets....allowing McCags to run the entire offseason and then firing him in May
) and some think they may just want to cut their losses.I have a bad feeling that 2 years from now, we might look back and WISH they had gotten a 2nd rounder for him. But for now, the optics are just so bad i dont see it happening.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I agree that you need some players - but Crowder is $10M next yr....Maye is a FA next yr and Q going into yr 3 where its doubtful....I can see JD not seeing them around for the long haul so cash in on them now....for me I would have to get blown away by an offer.
TLEF316
Footballguy
yeah, certainly not saying its impossible. just dont think I would personally do it.
But i certainly wouldn't hang up the phone without hearing the offer.
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
What a (predictable) disaster this has become. The Gase signing was really amusing for me initially and it seems I should relish it all and feel like this.
Unfortunately, it's just painful to see any fanbase have to put up with such incompetence for so long. I have this weird, awkward... sympathy for Jets fans that make me feel more like this.
Unfortunately, it's just painful to see any fanbase have to put up with such incompetence for so long. I have this weird, awkward... sympathy for Jets fans that make me feel more like this.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
0-16Dr. Octopus said:
they are so far beneath every other team, I just can’t think of another team that they can compete with
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Weird things happen throughout an NFL season. We thought the 2019 Dolphins were the worst team the NFL had ever seen, until they weren't. Even the 1980 Saints, the team that inspired the trope of fans putting paper bags over their heads, managed to win one game (against the Jets!) Jimmy Johnson's first Cowboys team was hapless and lost 15 games but managed to beat a very good Washington Football Team Using Their Previous Name. So who knows, there may be one week where the other team just can't get its act together, or whatever.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I think it would take a first to get him. He's playing much better. PFF has him ranked 29th out of 118 DLmen. Not great, but pretty good. He's ranked 8th against the run. Last year was kind of wash because he got hurt and was started behind the 8-ball and the injury allegedly impacted him all season. He's still really young. I don't think the Jets should trade him unless they got a very good offer.Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Kiddnets
Footballguy
My original post on trading Q for a 2d was what I think he is worth....I dont see JD trading im without getting a 1st which I doubt anyone pays....I dont put it by him though....he got a high 3rd and a 5th for Leo who showed less upside than Q and only had a few games left before FA.
rockaction
Footballguy
Mims is reason enough alone for me to watch a bit out of the corner of my eye.
Crowder is inactive.
Just when we thought we'd be a poor man's Tampa, we're a poor man's everything.
Crowder is inactive.
Just when we thought we'd be a poor man's Tampa, we're a poor man's everything.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The offense looked the best it has all season but that’s a low bar and there was still more bad than good. Sam is either no good or just shell shocked. He showed a little today but also showed why they can’t pick up his fifth year option.
And we have two 6’3” WRs with 4.3 speed and all of their routes are four yards downfield. I’m no offensive genius, but that seems like a misuse of resources to me.
And we have two 6’3” WRs with 4.3 speed and all of their routes are four yards downfield. I’m no offensive genius, but that seems like a misuse of resources to me.
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
I will get labeled a hater despite being previously being one of Sam's biggest defenders, but outside of one great pass, his decision-making still is terrible. He is so slow to go through his progressions these days and then forces passes under duress.
We looked like a team for one half of play. We were making the Bills look pretty bad, but then much to no one's surprise, we got out-coached at halftime. Once again we make no adjustments and the better-coached team wins.
Mims and Perriman started off great, but then we stopped throwing to them for some unknown reason. Perine looked pretty good for the most part.
Huff seems like a player. The defense played hard today, but god our lack of pass rushers was so evident today (more so than most games).
Oh well...on to Kansas City. Only 20.5 underdogs.
rockaction
Footballguy
I thought Mims left with an injury. They didn't even look his way in the second half.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Opening spread is KC -21.5 down to -20.5 now.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
apparently the casuals are staying away while the pros are taking the points.
Will be intrigued what kind of Lev Bell props there might be.
-QG
TLEF316
Footballguy
So Dbag Mehta says they're trying to trade him. Toolbox Cimini says it isn't true.
Any reason why we cant get ONE beat reporter that isn't completely insufferable?
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
The sole topic when I was listening to The Fan this morning was who should be the next Jets coach. I came here expecting to see that Gase was fired. Going to be a reallllly long season,
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Q has been plying well.....with his upside I dont think hes part of the fire sale but rather dangling him to see if they get an offer they cant refuse ala Adams.....if they got a 1st and another day 1 pick maybe...unless a really good offer he will likely stay put.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I do not miss these kind of stories from last year.
Jets should call Lawrence's bluff by threatening to extend Gase for 2 years if the kid insists on staying in school.
-QG
Jets should call Lawrence's bluff by threatening to extend Gase for 2 years if the kid insists on staying in school.
-QG
ChiefD
Footballguy
If I was betting I would bet the Jets to cover.
This is one of those games the Chiefs ALWAYS seem to come out flat. Before you know it the 4th quarter is here and it's a tight game. I expect the Chiefs to win, but 20.5 just seems way high to me.
Fariq
Footballguy
No.
As far as I recall, he had a facemask penalty where he tackled the quarterback from behind and unfortunately grabbed the mask. He had another penalty when he unfortunately landed wrong on a quarterback after a sack. He did not have any penalties where you would think "I guess Williams is doing bounties again."
rockaction
Footballguy
Kiddnets
Footballguy
IMO the comment was just to give a little leverage in case the Jets do something insane like decide to keep Gase.....if that happens then I dont blame him fo going back to school. Assuming they fire Gase right after the season...hire a respected coach....and JD lays out a good plan re lots of picks and FA to focus on learning from mistakes of the past and surround the kid with a solid OL and weapons.....I cant see him not wanting to come here.
Im more concerned they will win a game or 2 and lose out on him....maybe Im crazy but if Sam gets hot with his weapons I can see them beating any of New England, Fins with Tua, and Browns. I could also see SD and Raiders overlooking the Jets and getting beat.....I think they end up with at least 2 wins.....Jax is my main concern as they know how to tank....if the Jets win one I can see them benching Minshaw and just sinking....Lawrence would be begging for NY after staring at a career in Jax.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Only in the sense of "any given Sunday". I suppose if Tua is a disaster I can see the Jets winning that one, but NE is pure recency bias. They're a much better team that the Jets once Cam gets back on track. I suppose the Pats could lie down in Week 17 to keep the Jets from getting Lawrence. It could get comical when Flacco and Hoyer come off the bench in the second quarter of a 10-10 game.
The Browns should destroy the Jets.
Jags are the biggest threat to the top pick imo. Just need to hope they pull another game out somewhere and a hot game from Minshew can make that happen.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Marrone has already said he is looking to make changes over the bye - big speculation he benches Minshaw....if that happens they may lose out.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
They're pretty bad. I think your fear is misplaced. That said, if the Jags bench Minshew they can lose to anybody on any given Sunday. I do worry about the Jets squeaking out a win or two and the Jags holding down the fort in the loss column.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
sheerterror
Footballguy
Minshew makes more plays than Sam. Convince me otherwise.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
which means he's gone by noon today.Mystery Achiever said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Do you know who their backups are? Minshew has his limitations for sure but he's able to move the ball and has the mental fortitude to win games. There's no chance the Jags are better off starting Mike Glennon or Jake Luton in 2020.
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