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QB Josh Allen, BUF (2 Viewers)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Surprised I don't have a star here yet. Month and a half or so ago I moved Barkley, Lock and a 2021 1st that ended up being 1.03 for Allen, Hunt and Slayton in a Superflex FFPC. Made the playoffs but didn't get out of week 14.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Tremblay and Dodds have Allen ranked high again for week 17, and Bloom has him ranked QB #34 so what gives here?
34Josh AllenBUFvs MIA710950.60.20006.0
34Josh AllenBUFvs MIA710950.60.20006.0
zamboni
Footballguy
Guessing Bloom expects him to have an early day of it. Wouldn’t surprise me either if he plays just a few series or maybe a quarter.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
That's how the experts are starting to see this play out. I had thought playing for the #2 seed was something to play for. Perhaps this year it's not necessarily that high of a priority. Therefore, Allen plays half the game or so, then sits. Not good for my team as I may have to play a Dalton or a Brees now. We still have side bets to play for and still playing for total points over 17 weeks.
-OZ-
Footballguy
With Allen, and I think tua, the east is going to be much more fun to watch than it has been in a while.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yep.
The WC seeds can still go just about any way, but I think I'd rather play the Ravens or dolphins right now if they could choose. Over the browns or colts. You're playing the same team the next week either way, and home field doesn't matter all that much this year, although buffalo could be worse conditions than Pittsburgh. You want the higher seed but perhaps rest means more. Pitt looks to be resting players, which for them seems the right play. They need the rest.
I would probably roll Brees but the saints are down a couple key players.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Allen is a different situation because he's already at the pinnacle of his profession. He would be the starting QB for like 28 NFL teams right now. There may be a slight variance in money, but any team is going to give him a max deal. I am comfortable that he seems to like it here, has a good rapport with coaches and teammates, and has become THE guy in the community, much more than someone like a Jack Eichel for comparison. I don't think he's going anywhere.
Daboll, though. None of us know his internal mindset, but having been around my fair share of football coaches over the years, these guys are all incredibly driven for success. They all believe they can win the big one, can be the best, ultra-competitive - that's what makes them great football coaches. If Brian Daboll wants a head coaching shot, his stock might not get higher than this. There are potentially opportunities out there where you can walk into a situation and either hand-pick your QB of the future (Jaguars, Jets) or you've already got one (Chargers etc). I'm not saying you bolt for the first offer, but there's opportunity to "get your guy" and roll the dice on becoming an NFL head coach. I'm as big a Bills fan as any of us here, and I'd leave in a heartbeat for the right opportunity, if I wanted that head coaching shot and felt it was the right situation.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Bump just to make @IvanKaramazov nervous. I'm a Steelers fan living in Buffalo, my dad's a Bills fan. Love me some Bills still. Go Bills!
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
If you're Daboll, it would be incredibly difficult to pass up the Jacksonville or San Diego jobs. The table is already set for any good coach to be tremendously successful quickly in either of those spots. I'd love to keep him of course, but no hard feelings if he moves on.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Urban Meyer is reportedly getting the Jags job. I think Daboll would be a great match for the Chargers though (LA, not SD
). Herbert would be even more scary with Daboll there.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm never not going to call the Chargers "San Diego Chargers" without Herculean efforting. Just won't happen.
As far as staying on topic, I think Tasker hit the Daboll/Allen nail right on the head with his analysis and doesn't need anybody to add anything to it, so...
As far as staying on topic, I think Tasker hit the Daboll/Allen nail right on the head with his analysis and doesn't need anybody to add anything to it, so...
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Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Talking to a buddy that has ties to inside all this said to keep an eye on the Chargers regarding Daboll. The Chargers GM is Tom Telesco who went to St. Francis high school with Daboll and they are still friends.Urban Meyer is reportedly getting the Jags job. I think Daboll would be a great match for the Chargers though (LA, not SD
I think Daboll would flourish there.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Good grief. Allen has really become a very good passer of the football. There is some outstanding QB talent in the NFL these days and this kid is up there.
fredsavage
Footballguy
He has to be 2nd off the board in dynasty and perhaps even redraft at this point.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
The drive right before the first half was money.
The Frankman
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't think people were necessarily wrong about him. They just didn't think it was realistic for him to develop into this, myself included.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed, this pick was met with much skepticism...even those who liked him didn't see him getting to this level this quickly.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
You didn’t think he would develop into a great QB. Doesn’t that still mean you were wrong?
MAC_32
Footballguy
About the outcome? Well, yeah, but I think that's a poor assessment method. Misses are baked into the expectation, so the opportunities for improvement are within the evaluation process. What about the evaluation of this prospect do you think others missed on that could enhance future assessments? I'm not aware of a good answer to that question, but I am willing to listen if anyone has any incite. As is, I think he's an anomaly.
Boston
Footballguy
My guess...I am fully convinced that besides talent the biggest thing for a young QBs development is whether they go to a quality franchise with good coaching...at the time of Allen’s draft Buffalo really wasn’t seen as that type of place and their QB history bears that out...in hindsight we now know they are currently well run and have a very good coach and this has helped Allen develop and flourish.
MAC_32
Footballguy
daveR
Footballguy
(insight) What was there: prototypical NFL QB physically. What was amiss: accuracy. What wasn't disclosed: level of coaching, mental ability. It was my opinion at the time (and still is) that accuracy issues are mechanical and can be fixed.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I do think it’s extremely difficult. The hit rates for 1st round picks are higher than other rounds, but it’s still only like 50% to draft even an average starter.
Any league where the greatest player in league history can be drafted in the last round of the draft is pretty good evidence of how hard it is to consistently draft well.
I’m very sympathetic to the idea that trading down to acquire more picks on a routine basis is one of the better ways to go. With such a low hit rate, the more swings you get the better.
I'm also a big fan of that strategy as well. It's what New England has done well. Understand that you aren't going to get a world beater and your team is probably better off for it anyway. It's hard to remain competitive when you are paying a rb, a lb, a cb, a te etc > $20 million per year anyway. Get a QB yes, but otherwise work the draft
