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Henry Ford said:
I’m glad we could all get back to the real issue.  Telling people who feel marginalized and dismissed what they should be allowed to call themselves. Again. 
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They can and should call themselves whatever the want.  If they want me to call them by a particular term they may need to meet me half way by first not changing it every year or two, and second by shortening it a bit.   How about "Paradigm Busters".  Its potentially sweepingly inclusive enough to gather in all current and future cohorts, it is sort of cool, and it is easy for folks to remember.  I think it even has a bit of heroic panache.

Oh, if it helps we can pretend* that I fit one or more of the current categories so that it is not a label being pushed by outsiders, but by one of their own.

*Or maybe its not pretense.

 
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Henry Ford said:
I don't think I even understand what this is asking.
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I suspect he is saying that a bisexual person will have had sex with a person of the same sex or gender, depending on one's definitions, as him, her, it, or they selves at some point.  It does not, of course, account for celibate bisexuals, virgin bisexuals, or inexperienced bisexuals. 

Say, maybe I am bisexual and I just have not gotten around yet to hitting for the cycle, as it were. 

 
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Ditkaless Wonders said:
They can and should call themselves whatever the want.  If they want me to call them by a particular term they may need to meet me half way by first not changing it every year or two, and second by shortening it a bit.   How about "Paradigm Busters".  Its potentially sweepingly inclusive enough to gather in all current and future cohorts, it is sort of cool, and it is easy for folks to remember.  I think it even has a bit of heroic panache.

Oh, if it helps we can pretend* that I fit one or more of the current categories so that it is not a label being pushed by outsiders, but by one of their own.

*Or maybe its not pretense.
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"Paradigm Busters" has the same number of spoken syllables and significantly more letters than LGBTQ or LGBT+.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I suspect he is saying that a bisexual person will have had sex with a person of the same sex or gender, depending on one's definitions, as him, her, it, or they selves at some point.  It does not, of course, account for celibate bisexuals, virgin bisexuals, or inexperienced bisexuals. 

Say, maybe I am bisexual and I just have not gotten around yet to hitting for the cycle, as it were. 
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Yes, that's what makes that person bisexual.  But it doesn't make them gay.

 
Henry Ford said:
Lesotho's Great, Bring The Quinine is a good mnemonic.
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Seems more demonic than mnemonic, but I'll give it a whirl.  Still, I don't see the resistance  to Paradigm Busters. 

Damn, I am going to have a tough time moving those 10,000 t-shirts I just ordered if this doesn't catch on.

 
Da Guru said:
Not bad options.  Much better than the typical Burger King or Arbys.     Grilled chicken salad at CFA in my go to, and I have always like Panda.    Black pepper chicken, sweet fire chicken with  veggies  makes it somewhat healthy.
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:thumbup:   :thumbup:

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I had CFA today for lunch, as luck would have it.  Our food court has CFA, Panda, and some pita place that kind of blows, so I only have two live options if I want to eat on campus.  
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I know there are not good for you but CFAs nuggets are superior to any fast food chains.  There is nothing I don`t like at Panda.  When the Beijing Beef comes out fresh it is outstanding.

 
Summer Wheat said:
I know there are not good for you but CFAs nuggets are superior to any fast food chains.
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I believe I've said this around here before but Chick-fil-a nuggets would probably be the food I'd pick if I could only eat one food for the rest of my life.*

*Ignoring health, fitness, weight, longevity, etc...

 
AAABatteries said:
I believe I've said this around here before but Chick-fil-a nuggets would probably be the food I'd pick if I could only eat one food for the rest of my life.*

*Ignoring health, fitness, weight, longevity, etc...
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It'd be hard for me to pick anything over pizza, but your pick is a stellar one. :yes:  

 
In a marketing campaign* aimed directly at competitor Chic Fil-A,  D.Q announced a sale on its new Paradigm Buster Parfait.  Also they have an online contest to see who can come up with the raunchiest interpretation of the true words behind their initials.

* Nearly to completely fake news. 

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
They can and should call themselves whatever the want.  If they want me to call them by a particular term they may need to meet me half way by first not changing it every year or two, and second by shortening it a bit.   How about "Paradigm Busters".  Its potentially sweepingly inclusive enough to gather in all current and future cohorts, it is sort of cool, and it is easy for folks to remember.  I think it even has a bit of heroic panache.

Oh, if it helps we can pretend* that I fit one or more of the current categories so that it is not a label being pushed by outsiders, but by one of their own.

*Or maybe its not pretense.
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I don`t care what any persons sexual orientation is.  Why do gays need to have a label?   A simple solution is that they are human beings..people.  Seems like a good PC label. 

 
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squistion said:
:no:

:SMH: I knew something like this would happen...

The Trump admin is set to propose new rules that would roll back health care protections for transgender people, making it easier for doctors, hospitals and insurance companies to deny them coverage by invoking religious reasons, WaPo reports.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/04/24/trump-administration-prepares-rule-that-civil-rights-groups-worry-may-deny-care-transgender-patients/?utm_term=.e128715634aa
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Why would you want to receive treatment from a Dr who objects because of religious beliefs ? Are there religious insurance companies??

 
"I don't care what any person's religion is. But why do Christians need to have a label? A simple solution is that they are just human beings."

 
squistion said:
Kudos to Matthew Easton, valedictorian at Brigham Young University, where homosexuality is condemned, who told his fellow graduates, "I am proud to be a gay son of God... I am not broken."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/04/29/i-am-proud-be-gay-son-god-mormon-valedictorian-comes-out-graduation-speech/?utm_term=.0d364a46ffa4
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Sadly I am too cheap to pay to read the article.  Seems an odd choice of a University for a gay man, but he must have had his reasons.

BTW, another Paradigm Buster.

 
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HellToupee said:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8951952/saudi-execution-gay-confessions-beheading/

Saudi mass execution – Five beheaded victims were gay lovers court docs claim amid fears they were tortured into terror confessions

One of the 37 'terrorists' ruthlessly executed last week is said to have admitted to having sex with four of the others

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So, more extreme than the advice from Mathew 5:30.  That would only have led to their bonny johnnies being hacked off.  (This was one of those times when one has to carefully distinguish between using hacked and whacked.)

 
 
HellToupee said:
Why would you want to receive treatment from a Dr who objects because of religious beliefs ? Are there religious insurance companies??
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1.  If you needed him/her to save your life?

2.  No, but the limitations of one’s health plan could mean that the only specialist covered will not treat you on religious grounds.

Remote?  Yeah.  Possible?  In America, for sure.  

 
HellToupee said:
Says the Canadian 

I trust the Hippocratic Oath
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Not sure what you mean?  It is trite law in Canada that you cannot refuse to treat a patient on religious grounds.  In fact, parents cannot refuse life saving treatment for their child on religious grounds either (example - refusing a blood transfusion). 

 
LINK

Transgender Denver high school student is identified as 'second gunman who killed one classmate and wounded eight', as friends refer to him as a 'tortured soul' who 'didn't get the support he needed'

The second gunman who allegedly opened fire on classmates at a Denver High School appeared in court on Wednesday. 

Alec McKinney has been accused of killing one classmate and injuring eight others alongside his friend Devon Erickson at STEM School Highlands Ranch on Tuesday. 

Authorities described McKinney as a female juvenile named Maya after initially identifying the second gunman as a boy based on appearances. 

But friends of McKinney have confirmed that the teen identified as a male and preferred to be called 'Alec'. 

Alec did not do this because he's trans, but had people supported him in the way that he needed and deserved, he would not have struggled so much that he got pushed over the edge.'  

🙁

 
George Clooney On Brunei LGBTQ Death Penalty Back-Down: “This Is A Huge Step Forward After A Giant Leap Backwards”

Following the Sultan of Brunei’s decision to back down on death penalty laws for those engaging in gay sexual acts, George Clooney, who has been a pivotal part of the global outcry against the country’s acerbic and inhumane legal codes, issued a statement today in response to the country’s reversal.

“This is a huge step forward after a giant leap backwards. It promises that the citizens of Brunei won’t be executed for being gay. It also sends a very crucial message to countries like Indonesia and Malaysia that there is a cost for enacting these laws. And the cost isn’t folks boycotting their hotels. The cost is that corporations and big banks won’t do business with you. The financial institutions stepping up had a huge impact. Having said that, the law to stone their citizens is still in place. Meaning that as soon as the pressure dies down they could simply start the process of carrying out executions. So in reference to the boycott everyone should do what they feel is correct. For my family and me we simply can’t walk away until this draconian law is no longer on the books,” said Clooney

I do t consider this a step forward, the only reason for the change was financial, not humanitarian 

 
Workhorse said:
The Equality Act just passed the House!

:headbang:
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That is all very nice but the Republican controlled Senate still has to pass the bill and the WH has already indicated that Trump won't sign the bill and I imagine will veto it if it gets to his desk

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2019/05/13/exclusive-trump-comes-out-against-equality-act/

EXCLUSIVE: Trump comes out against Equality Act

With a vote on the Equality Act in the U.S. House expected on Friday, a senior administration official indicated exclusively to the Washington Blade that President Trump opposes the bill.

“The Trump administration absolutely opposes discrimination of any kind and supports the equal treatment of all; however, this bill in its current form is filled with poison pills that threaten to undermine parental and conscience rights,” the senior administration official said via email.

More details about Trump’s position on the Equality Act may come soon from the White House, which traditionally issues a Statement of Administration Policy when legislation comes to the floor of either chamber of Congress. [...]

The White House statement is consistent with the Trump administration’s anti-LGBT actions, such as the transgender military ban, withdrawal of guidance to schools assuring transgender kids have access to the restroom consistent with their gender identity and actions taken in the name of “religious freedom” seen to undermine LGBT rights.

UPDATE: A House senior Democratic leadership aide told the Blade after publication of this article Trump’s opposition to the Equality Act doesn’t change anything in terms of plans for a floor vote on Friday.

 
Henry Ford said:
You do?

Enough doctors have refused to treat transgender patients in this country there was a study that addressed it a few years ago. 

60% of transgender patients who cannot find regular care commit suicide. 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
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Damn, just saw this and thought your number was way high - so spent some time reading the study.  It's from data that's about 10 years old now, so keep that in mind. 

The 60% figure is attempting suicide, not committing it.  They wouldn't have responded in the survey if they committed it.  The study had over 6k responders, with less than 600 of them (almost exactly 9%) saying they were refused treatment because of being trans.  But the thing that really drew my attention was that the overall suicide attempt rate of the 6k responders was already 41%.  Overall attempt rate for just "trans men" was 46%.  So yes, it is a higher rate for sure, but we're already looking at a population that has a very high suicide attempt rate on it's own. 

 
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