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I don’t recall the op ever admitting a mistake.@squistion
Please change the title to "LGBQTR+ are now protected from being fired from all non-religious jobs and I'm sorry for posting falsehoods."
TIA
I don’t recall the op ever admitting a mistake.@squistion
Please change the title to "LGBQTR+ are now protected from being fired from all non-religious jobs and I'm sorry for posting falsehoods."
TIA
Maybe because the op didn't feel he made oneI don’t recall the op ever admitting a mistake.
What in the hell are you talking about? Holy wrong in every way possible batman.There is no protection for LGBT+ folks, so even if they actually say "I am firing you for being queer after seeing you got married" there is no recourse as there is zero employment discrimination protection for LGBT+ people.
https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2021/06/14/whitmer-bars-public-money-from-funding-widely-discredited-gay-conversion-therapy
Whitmer bars public money from funding widely discredited gay ‘conversion therapy’
Gov. Gretchen Whitmer signed an executive directive Monday prohibiting the use of state and federal funds for a widely discredited practice that purports to be able to change minors’ sexual orientation or gender identity.
The directive orders the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services to “take actions necessary” to ensure public money is not used to fund so-called gay conversion therapy.
Democrats introduced a ban on the practice in 2019 but Republicans blocked its passage.
"Since day one, I have made it clear that hate has no home in Michigan,” Whitmer said in a statement. “My administration is committed to addressing the systemic barriers faced by young LGBTQ+ Michiganders so that our state is a place where they are able to reach their full potential. The actions we take today will serve as a starting point in protecting our LGBTQ+ youth from the damaging practice of conversion therapy and in ensuring that Michigan is a reflection of true inclusion.”
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I should correct this- it APPEARS bad but we don’t know if it was an accident. Doesn’t sound like it but we don’t know.Shocking hit and run at Gay Pride parade in Florida- two persons hit, one dead.
This appears to be a quite horrible hate crime.
Multiple outlets reporting driver *and* victims are members of the local Gay Men’s Chorus. This was an accident. Not helpful for you leap to conclusions and assume the worst.I should correct this- it APPEARS bad but we don’t know if it was an accident. Doesn’t sound like it but we don’t know.
Why is that your automatic reaction? Early reports are that this was an accident, and a horrible, tragic one at that.Shocking hit and run at Gay Pride parade in Florida- two persons hit, one dead.
This appears to be a quite horrible hate crime.
Its the narrative he jumps to like the mayor. It shows why he doesnt understand why people dont trust the MSM.Why is that your automatic reaction? Early reports are that this was an accident, and a horrible, tragic one at that.
Easy there. Now you're jumping to conclusions about "the MSM". The article posted above includes nothing suggesting this was a targeted attack. In fact, it suggests quite the opposite.Its the narrative he jumps to like the mayor. It shows why he doesnt understand why people dont trust the MSM.
I agree. Its tim that jumped.Easy there. Now you're jumping to conclusions about "the MSM". The article posted above includes nothing suggesting this was a targeted attack. In fact, it suggests quite the opposite.
Should probably wait for all the details and facts before rushing to judgement.Shocking hit and run at Gay Pride parade in Florida- two persons hit, one dead.
This appears to be a quite horrible hate crime.
What about the gays who want conversion therapy but can`t afford it? Are they on their own? If a person wants it why is it considered damaging?https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2021/06/14/whitmer-bars-public-money-from-funding-widely-discredited-gay-conversion-therapy
Whitmer bars public money from funding widely discredited gay ‘conversion therapy’
Gov. Gretchen Whitmer signed an executive directive Monday prohibiting the use of state and federal funds for a widely discredited practice that purports to be able to change minors’ sexual orientation or gender identity.
The directive orders the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services to “take actions necessary” to ensure public money is not used to fund so-called gay conversion therapy.
Democrats introduced a ban on the practice in 2019 but Republicans blocked its passage.
"Since day one, I have made it clear that hate has no home in Michigan,” Whitmer said in a statement. “My administration is committed to addressing the systemic barriers faced by young LGBTQ+ Michiganders so that our state is a place where they are able to reach their full potential. The actions we take today will serve as a starting point in protecting our LGBTQ+ youth from the damaging practice of conversion therapy and in ensuring that Michigan is a reflection of true inclusion.”
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The number of "gays" who want conversion therapy are between slim and none - and slim just left town. In every case that I have heard of, it was the parents of the LGBT+ person who wanted their child "converted."What about the gays who want conversion therapy but can`t afford it? Are they on their own? If a person wants it why is it considered damaging?
You know, you always have the option of just waiting a few hours before jumping to a conclusion. In this particular case, the "hate crime" angle had apparently already been debunked before I was even aware that this accident occurred. There's no downside to reserving judgement.Shocking hit and run at Gay Pride parade in Florida- two persons hit, one dead.
This appears to be a quite horrible hate crime.
THISYou know, you always have the option of just waiting a few hours before jumping to a conclusion. In this particular case, the "hate crime" angle had apparently already been debunked before I was even aware that this accident occurred. There's no downside to reserving judgement.
Spending your life waiting for the next thing to be outraged about seems like an unproductive waste of time.You know, you always have the option of just waiting a few hours before jumping to a conclusion. In this particular case, the "hate crime" angle had apparently already been debunked before I was even aware that this accident occurred. There's no downside to reserving judgement.
Intent aside, what makes you think it was a hit and run?Shocking hit and run at Gay Pride parade in Florida- two persons hit, one dead.
This appears to be a quite horrible hate crime.
Oof.Shocking hit and run at Gay Pride parade in Florida- two persons hit, one dead.
This appears to be a quite horrible hate crime.
Tim, you have always been willing to admit when you are wrong.So I got it wrong and I’m glad I did.
Fort Lauderdale Mayor Dean Trantalis, a Democrat, was at the parade and claimed the truck narrowly missed Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) “by inches” and called the incident a “terrorist attack.
“This is a terrorist attack against the LGBT community,” Trantalis told WPLG. “This is exactly what it is. Hardly an accident. It was deliberate, it was premeditated, and it was targeted against a specific person. Luckily they missed that person, but unfortunately, they hit two other people.”
You’re criticizing them, and me, but we don’t deserve it IMO, because we live in a society where hate crimes occur all too often. The assumption.we made was quite reasonable. Thankfully in this instance we were wrong. Save your criticism for our society which produces enough hate that it becomes reasonable to make such assumptions.To be fair the local politicians were already pushing their own narrative.
Sorry but…..bull####You’re criticizing them, and me, but we don’t deserve it IMO, because we live in a society where hate crimes occur all too often. The assumption.we made was quite reasonable. Thankfully in this instance we were wrong. Save your criticism for our society which produces enough hate that it becomes reasonable to make such assumptions.
It isn’t. I wish it was.Sorry but…..bull####
I have no problem jumping to an erroneous conclusion based on assumptions. IMO, what bears criticism is rushing to instantaneously broadcast that erroneous conclusion publicly (which is what you did here) instead of waiting just a little bit to find out more. Heck the video showed the truck prominently displaying a pride flag. This kind of rush to judgment is actually counterproductive and undermines the ability to call attention to legitimate acts of hate.You’re criticizing them, and me, but we don’t deserve it IMO, because we live in a society where hate crimes occur all too often. The assumption.we made was quite reasonable. Thankfully in this instance we were wrong. Save your criticism for our society which produces enough hate that it becomes reasonable to make such assumptions.
.I have no problem jumping to an erroneous conclusion based on assumptions. IMO, what bears criticism is rushing to instantaneously broadcast that erroneous conclusion publicly (which is what you did here) instead of waiting just a little bit to find out more. Heck the video showed the truck prominently displaying a pride flag.
Sure. And I don’t mind your criticism. You’re right, I shouldn’t have posted so quickly, I should have waited. My bad.I have no problem jumping to an erroneous conclusion based on assumptions. IMO, what bears criticism is rushing to instantaneously broadcast that erroneous conclusion publicly (which is what you did here) instead of waiting just a little bit to find out more. Heck the video showed the truck prominently displaying a pride flag.
No, I am criticizing them 1000%. You are another story. I'm not in love with jumping to conclusions, but that happens. You're a poster on a message board, I don't expect perfection out of anyone here.You’re criticizing them, and me, but we don’t deserve it IMO, because we live in a society where hate crimes occur all too often. The assumption.we made was quite reasonable. Thankfully in this instance we were wrong. Save your criticism for our society which produces enough hate that it becomes reasonable to make such assumptions.
You are pushing a narrative. And there are a lot less hate crimes than "normal" crimes or accidents. You ARE pushing a narrative.Sure. And I don’t mind your criticism. You’re right, I shouldn’t have posted so quickly, I should have waited. My bad.
What I mind is the righteous tone of much of the criticism here (not yours) who accuse people of “pushing a narrative” and refuse to acknowledge that actual hate crimes are happening far too often.
With regard to your last sentence- no offense Max, but you seem to like victimhood in leadership very much depending on who the victim is.No, I am criticizing them 1000%. You are another story. I'm not in love with jumping to conclusions, but that happens. You're a poster on a message board, I don't expect perfection out of anyone here.
Not that I expect perfection out of our politicians, but I DO expect them to be factual in statements. To say and I quote... "Hardly an accident. It was deliberate, it was premeditated, and it was targeted against a specific person." and be wrong, they lose a LOT of credibility. To me it shows they see the world through a victim lens and I don't like that in leadership.
Can you explain in more detail what you're saying?With regard to your last sentence- no offense Max, but you seem to like victimhood in leadership very much depending on who the victim is.
Again, it was unfortunately quite reasonable for the mayor to get this wrong.
This is a very odd and irrelevant comparison. There are far more hate crimes now than there were a decade ago, per FBI reporting. THAT is what is relevant ( and highly troubling.)And there are a lot less hate crimes than "normal" crimes or accidents.
Which part? I thought I was pretty clear.Can you explain in more detail what you're saying?
I don't feel like it was a reasonable statement from the Mayor. He claimed this driver was targeting Wasserman Schultz.
Which part? I thought I was pretty clear.
no offense Max, but you seem to like victimhood in leadership very much depending on who the victim is.
He seems to be suggesting that perhaps since than are statistically less hate crimes than "normal" crimes we shouldn't be talking about them at all.This is a very odd and irrelevant comparison. There are far more hate crimes now than there were a decade ago, per FBI reporting. THAT is what is relevant ( and highly troubling.)
No, it's not. It's easier for things that are relatively rare to see significant increases. I mean, for this one to be a hate crime, you'd have to believe that this person signed up to participate in the parade, including documenting the vehicle that would be participating, for the express purpose of hurting/killing LGBT people. Most people who commit hate crimes do like to get away with their crime, just like any other crime, so that's a stretch.This is a very odd and irrelevant comparison. There are far more hate crimes now than there were a decade ago, per FBI reporting. THAT is what is relevant ( and highly troubling.)
No I'm not. I'm suggesting that jumping to the conclusion that it is a hate crime, considering the disparity between the statistics of "normal" crimes versus "hate" crimes, doesn't make any sense.He seems to be suggesting that perhaps since than are statistically less hate crimes than "normal" crimes we shouldn't be talking about them at all.
Once the details you just described are known then sure, you’re correct.No, it's not. It's easier for things that are relatively rare to see significant increases. I mean, for this one to be a hate crime, you'd have to believe that this person signed up to participate in the parade, including documenting the vehicle that would be participating, for the express purpose of hurting/killing LGBT people. Most people who commit hate crimes do like to get away with their crime, just like any other crime, so that's a stretch.
Context is everything. If this had happened to a crowd of people waiting to attend the opera, or a baseball game, no one would immediately jump to the conclusion that it was a hate crime (without knowing any details).No I'm not. I'm suggesting that jumping to the conclusion that it is a hate crime, considering the disparity between the statistics of "normal" crimes versus "hate" crimes, doesn't make any sense.
I thought so. You can do better than that. I don't blanket support everything he says and does.That was a reference to your support for President Trump.
Yep. If somebody drives a truck into a gay pride parade, my initial assumption is always going to be "That's probably a hate crime." But there's literally no downside at all to reserving judgement and letting facts come to light. There's no prize for being the first person on record every time something happens.I have no problem jumping to an erroneous conclusion based on assumptions. IMO, what bears criticism is rushing to instantaneously broadcast that erroneous conclusion publicly (which is what you did here) instead of waiting just a little bit to find out more. Heck the video showed the truck prominently displaying a pride flag. This kind of rush to judgment is actually counterproductive and undermines the ability to call attention to legitimate acts of hate.
Those facts were known. The first article I read about this incident clearly said that the vehicle was waiting in line to participate in the parade. Now, if they were letting everyone and anyone line up to be in the parade I'll admit I'm wrong here. But I suspect you'd have to register to participate and they'd probably want ID, vehicle information, etc...for tracking purposes.Once the details you just described are known then sure, you’re correct.
But if all you know is that there was a gay pride parade and a car hit two marchers and one died, it’s quite reasonable, sadly, to assume hate crime.
BingoYep. If somebody drives a truck into a gay pride parade, my initial assumption is always going to be "That's probably a hate crime." But there's literally no downside at all to reserving judgement and letting facts come to light. There's no prize for being the first person on record every time something happens.
Tim did not say WaPo or NYT reported this. He linked ABC news and they didn't suggest it was a hate crime in the link.When you hold up the Washington Post and the NYT as some sort of gold standard why would anyone be surprised about rushing to be the first to post this type of junk with zero facts?