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WR D.J. Moore, CHI (1 Viewer)
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Blick
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zamboni
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It’s strange how things evolve. With his RAC ability, Moore was supposed to really eat this year with Robby expected to be the field stretcher he was with the Jets.
Yet it’s turned out to be basically the opposite - perhaps due to Rhule and Teddy’s familiarity with Robby.
IMO it’s a testament to Moore’s ability that even in this uneven year for him, he’s only about 80 yards shy of his yardage total from last year. Receptions are way down due to Robby siphoning targets and Moore’s own drop issues.
As for next year, I also hope they bring in someone else, but unless they decide to go QB in the first round, it’ll be another year of Teddy (who they did give a pretty big contract to).
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crushedspirit
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x10000000
Teddy has missed him countless times this year when he had nobody around him at all. I would buy DJ on the cheap and pray Bridge goes away.
How is he going to come cheap after he just finished top 10 in yards as a 23 year old?
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Maybe not that cheap, but I doubt many see him as a top-10 fantasy receiver. He finished as a WR2 in most 10 team standard scoring formats. I think with better QB play he can really take off.
I think he may come at a discount in some leagues, just because of perceptions that he fell well short of the preseason hype that he would ascend as a top 5-type dynasty WR this year. That didn't happen, but the trajectory still seems there. Anderson's proximity in production plays in too, as he was widely regarded as more of a role player before this season. It all depends on your trading partners of course, but Moore was a subject of persistent frustration all season, even though his numbers we better than perceived.
DropKick
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I remember preseason talk calling for regression for Moore due to a change in coaching/offensive philosophy.
The frustration was more for what could have been... Settling for a good game when a missed opportunity cost you a great one. A little up and down, but relative to his peers, he was solid. I don't see much of a discount at his age or track record. In fact, his value could jump if they go QB in the draft.
DropKick
Footballguy
I considered the absence of CMC but it is hard to gauge the impact. Does McCaffrey force teams to defend them differently, improve the offense, extend drives and provide more opportunities? One would think that, after a injury plagued season, they would reduce CMC's touches some (he had huge volumes).
Looking back at this past season, it is interesting to note that the Panthers had three receivers in the top 25 or so.
Blick
Footballguy
I don’t see how them taking a WR hits his value. Anderson’s contract is up after this year. I doubt Moore is going anywhere.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
It may have been more of a Teddy issue but DJ was overlooked many times for Samuel.....him leaving opens up a lot of targets and lessens the impact of CMC IMO....DJ is definitely there to stay but Id rather not have him competing with a new WR for catches....invest in OL as Sam has shown to be very shaky when under pressure.
Blick
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In fact, I think there is a good chance he sees a boost in targets with Darnold. Darnold sure peppered Crowder with targets in the slot.
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The Frankman
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Leroy Hoard
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TDs have to follow sooner or later.
Hartliner
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So now how do we evaluate the CMC, Jaycee Horn injuries impacting DJ? Here's my 3 thoughts.
First, more targets have to go elsewhere, DJ has some routes near the line of scrimmage at times. He should see more usage. That's Good.
Secondly, I mention Jaycee Horn injury because it does downgrade Panthers D. A DST where a Rookie QB and Brandon Cooks were having way more success than I expected. I think the Panther's DST might be overinflated due to their soft early schedule and even if the DST was not inflated, the loss of Horn might make the Panthers secondary even more suceptible to the opponent's passing game in the future. Leading to Panther's gamescript where they might get into more shootout type of games? That's Good.
And lastly I was concerned, maybe the targets aren't as efficient on the CMC less retooled offense? - watching the game, Moore got a lot of his yards in the first half then, CMC injury really kind of put a shock on the team and things were not as smooth. Which makes sense, it basically made them have to change the gameplan and thats adversity. What was encouraging though, was in the second half they made a big shot to Moore and it was only slightly off, in the future they will connect and they might need to since shoot outs are more likely with the weakened DST.
TLDR: Moore got better
First, more targets have to go elsewhere, DJ has some routes near the line of scrimmage at times. He should see more usage. That's Good.
Secondly, I mention Jaycee Horn injury because it does downgrade Panthers D. A DST where a Rookie QB and Brandon Cooks were having way more success than I expected. I think the Panther's DST might be overinflated due to their soft early schedule and even if the DST was not inflated, the loss of Horn might make the Panthers secondary even more suceptible to the opponent's passing game in the future. Leading to Panther's gamescript where they might get into more shootout type of games? That's Good.
And lastly I was concerned, maybe the targets aren't as efficient on the CMC less retooled offense? - watching the game, Moore got a lot of his yards in the first half then, CMC injury really kind of put a shock on the team and things were not as smooth. Which makes sense, it basically made them have to change the gameplan and thats adversity. What was encouraging though, was in the second half they made a big shot to Moore and it was only slightly off, in the future they will connect and they might need to since shoot outs are more likely with the weakened DST.
TLDR: Moore got better
The Frankman
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well, now I am only slightly less bummed to have missed Kupp by 1 pick. "settling" for Moore has been tremendous so far. 16.3, 22.4, 23.2 & 34.5 with 3 TDs.
I can't complain at all about that sort of consistency. Seems like every year the WR I pick to be my #2 ends up my #1. Last year Ridley was my 4th round WR2. This year I picked Ridley 3.01 and Moore 4.12. Weird.
Moore is my new mancrush though.
I can't complain at all about that sort of consistency. Seems like every year the WR I pick to be my #2 ends up my #1. Last year Ridley was my 4th round WR2. This year I picked Ridley 3.01 and Moore 4.12. Weird.
Moore is my new mancrush though.
Timmay
Footballguy
Well, now I am only slightly less bummed to have missed Kupp by 1 pick. "settling" for Moore has been tremendous so far. 16.3, 22.4, 23.2 & 34.5 with 3 TDs.
I can't complain at all about that sort of consistency. Seems like every year the WR I pick to be my #2 ends up my #1. Last year Ridley was my 4th round WR2. This year I picked Ridley 3.01 and Moore 4.12. Weird.
Moore is my new mancrush though.
I would like to reiterate the bolded. I am with you on this. He looks so fluid out there and should continue to see higher usage with no CMC.
Going into the season I thought my WR's of Kupp and Moore were going to be the downfall of my team, now it is looking like the strength.
Hot Sauce Guy
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I knew he would be a target monster, but seeing him get the touchdowns puts him over the top as a locked and loaded WR1 this year.
I have CMC as well, so I’m certainly hoping he keeps this up after McCaffrey comes back
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
That's funny. Last year I actually picked Moore as my WR1 (after getting Kamara and AJones in the first two rounds). That wouldn't have worked out very well for me, except that a few weeks in I packaged him and Swift for AJ Brown.Well, now I am only slightly less bummed to have missed Kupp by 1 pick. "settling" for Moore has been tremendous so far. 16.3, 22.4, 23.2 & 34.5 with 3 TDs.
I can't complain at all about that sort of consistency. Seems like every year the WR I pick to be my #2 ends up my #1. Last year Ridley was my 4th round WR2. This year I picked Ridley 3.01 and Moore 4.12. Weird.
Moore is my new mancrush though.
This year, drafted him as my WR2 and have been very happy. I guess that so far he's outperformed my WR1 (Metcalf) but I don't necessarily see that lasting all season.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
He was definitely due for some positive regression in that department
Based on the first half of that Houston game (which, granted, Houston) they had a really nice thing going where they would use the threat of play-action to CMC to open up opportunities for Moore down the field.
I think the bigger threat to Moore's production is if the coaches remember that Anderson is still on the roster
Amused to Death
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After a sub-par week one from Derrick Henry, I was ready to sell him due to my top WRs being D.J. Moore and Mike Williams. Didn't think I would be able to compete and was ready for re-build season.
My plans have changed.
Timmay
Footballguy
Rough last 4 weeks after great first 4 weeks, he has the targets but Darnold is sucking. He had a pretty could have been TD this past week, but couldn't hold onto the ball when he hit the ground. Do you think it will get better when CMC comes back? Any correlation with Darnold being bad because CMC isn't back there? I don't watch enough Panthers game to know.
I think having CMC back can only help. Probably a lot of correlation to Darnold's struggles(Darnold is a bad QB in general) as dump offs to CMC extend drives often. Darnold had a quote early this season, saying the difference between Carolina and NY was he always felt he had to make a big play in NY, and with CMC, checking down can be the big play.
Pigskin Fanatic
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i been watching R Anderson and it's the same. targets are there in the stat lines, but hardly any catches. in the three games i watched, the ball seems to be getting to the receivers, all receivers, but the amount of obvious dropsies for all CAR receivers is very apparent. From my untrained eyes the problem really isn't Darnold, though it does look like the timing just isn't there with any receiver for Darnold. Moore looked like he was the guy to start the season, but it's painful watching this team's passing game.
I don't know how getting CMC back would fix this, it would just force Darnold to pass to CMC 90% of the time. so status quo? I feel like Moore still has a chance to be a regular WR2/3 type though. he's getting good looks. if i had him, I'd keep using him as my WR3/4 I think. with anderson, not so much.
TheWinz
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After 4 weeks only 2 WR's were top 4 in targets, receptions, yards, and fantasy points. Kupp is one, and Moore is the other. Moore's targets have dropped from 43 to 38 if you separate his first 4 from his last 4. To me, the small decline is nothing to worry about, because his target share has actually increased. The largest decline has been his catch percentage. First 4 was 70% (30/43), and the second 4 dropped (pun intended) to 53% (20/38). My guess is he will improve on his catch %, but probably not too much. A few TD's in the last 4 games and I doubt people would've seen the drop in catch %.Timmay said:
Sure, it would be nice to have someone else throwing to him, but just remember, Darnold has been the starter all season, and Darnold knows who to throw the ball to. I will only worry if the targets disappear. He will be fine ROS, and I will start him with confidence every week.
TheWinz
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Drake Hater
Footballguy
DJ Moore and a healthy CMC make Darnold look better than he is.
The Frankman
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neal cassady
Footballguy
I am this week. Luckily I have Godwin, Diontae and Pittman, along with Lockett. Really thought he’d turned a corner, and was going to be a WR 1, but their qb situation (Darnold) is brutal. Maybe the new qb jumpstarts the offense, but I’ll need to see it for a week or two.
zoonation
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
One last time mainly because I have little better in the way of choices. Hoping the new QB and CM's presence help somehow.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Cam coming back? 
