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That spider chart doesn't look good but his numbers are more than adequate. 36" vert and over 10' broad jump with a sub 7 3-cone drill are pretty solid. Has more than enough to not raise any red flags along with a 4.51 40 time.
By showing the one clear example of a star WR with a bad MockDraftable chart in Antonio Brown, you are showing the exception that proves the rule. If you also showed past top WR superstars like Dez, Calvin, Julio, AJ Green, Fitz, Gordon, Steve Smith, and so on, you would demonstrate pretty clearly that having elite metrics (and subsequently an impressive MockDraftable profile) matters, and matters a lot. Even a slot guy like Julian Edelman shows a lot in his chart. P.S. D.J. Moore looks pretty good.
I think @massraider said it best that it's a tool. I shouldn't have been so dismissive of the chart itself. There's no doubt that some of the top WRs have elite spider charts. But, I honestly didn't look for many. In fact, Brown was the first and only one I looked at. Hopkins is another guy with a poor chart. Or Jordy. And I'm sure there are others.
I think the difference is that Gallup had a lot more pre-draft hype than Smith, and that carries over for a lot of people.
Is there any actual data on how correlated it is?
I think it matters, but you’re also comparing 1st rd picks that have had success. There’s also the devante Parker’s, Patterson’s, DHB, perriman, etc that can also be hand picked as good charts that didn’t pan out. I don’t think it’s to be ignored, but I don’t think it’s an overall indicator. Like the site and how it’s presented.
I agree that it is not an overall indicator, but useful for weeding out players, at least for me. If I miss out on a 6th round pick with poor metrics that becomes Antonio Brown every decade or so, I can live with that.
Maybe I need to go upthread, but I don’t think anyone is comparing Gallup to prime 1st rd talent. The guys you list are top picks in their fantasy drafts, not 2nd rd Guys. He’s in a prime spot to get opportunity because the depth chart kind of sucks. I won’t hate on someone liking him as the best wr in a weak class, but I probably take Moore if given the option. I certainly won’t avoid him because Dallas “will certainly add a prime wr next year.” They were certain to do it this year, and now we have Gallup.
I don't think this is necessarily true. There are several factors for WR that matter, but the primary two are quantity of targets and quality of targets. Dak threw the ball 490 times last year and Ryan threw it 529. I could be wrong, but I expect the upward trend to continue for Dak just as it did Wilson. Outside of one fluke season, Ryan has not been that impressive. Dak could easily surpass him in efficiency. Julio is a known top talent. Dallas' 2019 WR1 that you presume is coming is a total unknown and may never even exist. Like I said, your logic is solid there, but things change fast in the NFL. I'd say there's at least a 30% chance they don't bring in a true WR1 for 2019 and a 99% chance they don't bring in someone as good as Julio. So Julio will still be commanding targets in ATL while this unknown guy will probably not command as many, leaving more for the Dallas WR2 and less for the ATL WR2. I also believe Sanu >> Terrance Williams.
I've seen a study before that shows there's no correlation between combine metrics and WR success. So you are correct, that chart is worthless.
I saw a breakdown of each combine measurement and how it correlated to NFL success. I can't remember which ones, but for RBs some of them had a decent positive correlation (none were overwhelming) and some of them did not. But for WRs, none of them had any correlation to success.
Age is a consideration, for sure.
1000%. His numbers are not so terrible that is would be crazy if he becomes their #1. Stefon Diggs: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/stefon-diggs
I’ll take a late rd flyer on those guys, but I wouldn’t take them ahead of Gallup. I guess I’ll have to look back at character concerns, that’s the first I’ve heard. And dez simply isn’t that talented anymore or he would have a job.
scratch the character part, i'd already edited that part out before you replied, think i'd confused him with somebody else. That said i dont consider any of the above-mentioned receivers to be "likely" wr 1s in fantasy, so if i take one or more it'll be whoever drops farthest (which probably wouldnt be gallup).
Even I'm not pimping him up to be that... come on now.
He’s a 1WR don’t over think this my friend. If he’s available with my 6th pick I’m taking him. If not I’ll go Ridley or DJ Moore.
This is always fun:
Obviously a bad comparison because Hopkins has had way better qbs in his career... you know, in bizarro world anyway. Will say that Hopkins makes his cheddar with his route running (which we won’t see how Gallup really fares on that front until he is against nfl dbs and schemes) and did have a hall of famer opposite of him while he developed.This is always fun:
Michael Gallup: 6'1", 205 lbs -- 4.51 forty, 36" vert, 122" broad, 4.37 twenty yard shuttle
DeAndre Hopkins: 6'1", 214 lbs -- 4.57 forty, 36" vert, 115" broad, 4.50 twenty yard shuttle
I guess it remains to be seen for Gallup.
This.
Skins, Mr. Mayor here...this reminds me somehow of your affection a few years back for Philip Dorsett. You may be right, and your logic is sound and likely works out over the long term. Sometimes, I like to trust my gut. In this case, I'd go Gallup.
I prefer Anthony Miller over Gallup. They are going just a couple picks apart in most drafts.
I traded for lots of early to mid 2nd rd picks in my dynasty leagues and didn't draft Gallup in any of them. In my non-devy leagues he's gone 2.5, 2.6, 2.3, 2.2, and 1.13.
Happy to hear from you Mayor! Hope all is well. Miss you and the gang
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