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That is nuts to me. That class looked so bad (and mostly was). This year actually a lot of guys in good situations.
I think people are going to want something on top of DJ to move the 1.01. There's more than a 5-year age difference.
It would take DJ and a high first to move Barkley. About the same as Kamara or Fournette.
They do. I had a buddy tell me he rejected DJ + 1.3. I rejected DJ + 2019 1 (projected early) for 1.1 and 2020 2.
Lots of great RB. Being consensus #1 is great and there is a chance he will be the next great back. But I would take a 1.02 and 1.03 in a heartbeat.
He doesn’t have to outproduce the two of them together. It’s not like I have to start an empty spot beside him.
Fair enough. I don't find fault with anyone who would. I just see Barkley as the better bet.
True. But unless you made a trade that payed off well and that you are in a league that starts two RB's.... chances are you don't have much there to start next to him. Is he good enough to carry the weight of production with bottom of the barrel second starter versus two guys likely to both produce?
I generally play in deep dynasty leagues.... so, my thinking may be a bit different than most that don't play so deep.
That's a good point. A lot of trades that work in 12 team or smaller leagues won't work the same in larger leagues.
These general conversations are always tough because each league has it's own twist. I play almost exclusively in PPR leagues, so I see a pretty big gap between him and Chubb/Guice, because I'm not bullish on those guys as pass catchers and I think Barkley catches 60 a year. If we're talking non-PPR, it's not as big of a gap.
What for? That isn't going to happen. They wouldn't even listen to trade offers of multiple picks to move down, so they certainly wouldn't put their marquee player in a RBBC.
You just follow me around to troll don't you? Really pathetic. It is a possibility. People get hyped up over a RB all the time, just to have a HC decide they need someone else to punch it in or so and so is a better 3rd down back. Until Barkley establishes himself and his role, we really don't know.
Not really. I have been posting in threads about rookies and veteran players in this forum for over a decade and even started some recent threads - one for James Washington:
I had to give up Stefon Diggs in addition to DJ in order to get 1.01 and 2.01. Way more than I wanted to spend, but I really wanted Barkley.
I traded DJ, Parker, and 2.02 for the 1.01 around a week ago.
This isn't the FFA you seem lost.
I am just saying you don't know. You have a new head coach whose offensive history is mixed. He coached the last can't missed stud RB Trent Richardson who was supposed to be the best prospect since Andrian Peterson. Don't think Barkley will be that, but Barkley has yet to do anything in the Pros. Maybe Shurmur who just watched his stud RB Delvin Cook go down with an ACL will have second thoughts about over using his RB. You know how many threads are this forum with members #####ing about how a coach mususes their RB. I am just throwing out the possibility that all the experts might not be right. There are a lot of variables which have to happen before this guy rushes for 15,000 yards and 200 TDs as a first ballot hall of famer.
I get it but DJ’s injury was a broken wrist. There’s no reason that should have any long term impact. In the end, I would prefer the next 4 years of DJ over the next 8 years of a guy whose best case projection is DJ.
I’m not trolling you, so don’t get offended. Zero percent chance this happens. Yes, zero. You keep saying “we don’t know.” We do know, because a team doesn’t pass on a potential franchise QB when their aging star is 37 years old, in order to draft a RB at #2 overall in order to throw him into a RBBC with Wayne Gallman and Jonathan Stewart. That’s just nonsensical, and for as dumb as some NFL coaches can be, none are that dumb.
Really, DJ's best case projection for his next 4 years is his 2016. He's only been in the league 3 years but only has one good (extremely good) year. That's not meant to be a knock on him but there's no guarantee he matches that year going forward. Frankly I highly doubt he does. I have him and probably wouldn't give him in that league straight for Barkley, though it's tempting, because I'm slightly risk averse there and plan to compete the next few years.
There is a long list of highly touted RB's taken top 5, most of them disappointed to some degree. Curtis Ennis, Alonzo Highsmith, Ki-Jana Carter, Brent Fullwoid, Blair Thomas, Curtis Dickey, Cadillac Williams, Darren McFaddin, Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, Regie Bush. The hype versus performance does not always pan out. This is a great RB class. I could see 3, 4, or maybe even 5 of them putting up top 10 RB1 numbers. To me though the hype around Barkley is extremely high, and unless he becomes a megastar, this is the time to sell high. Even if Barkley is a top 3 guy, if you can get two top 10 guys for him it seems to me that is the way to go unless you already a couple other really good RBs.
You’ve changed the narrative. Barkley may very well disappoint, but it won’t be because he’s ceding goalline carries to Stewart, 3rd down work to Gallman, or enough workload to even remotely be considered part of a RBBC.
Rookie year:1000/12 and 26 receptions.
It was not a narrative, it was and still is a possibility. Don't get me wrong, he is in an awesome position.
He literally has as much chance of being in a RBBC as Zeke now that they’ve got Austin and Scarborough.
True but player values can swing a lot based on performance. Gurley went from RB1 to RB8 to RB1 from 2016 to 17 to now. So much of their value will come down to how they do on the field this year and I have more faith in DJ.
I assume you simply mean there isn't another player you'd bet on having a better season. I'd bet someone in the NFL has a better season at some point.
At some point, sure, but probably not soon though.
In terms of fantasy points, Gurley did it last year and Bell the year before. We certainly don’t need to go back to LT.
Good point- was hyperbole on my part. The one thing DJ has that those 2 don't is that he has never been anything but the best. Bell and Gurley had seasons where they got the ball a lot and averaged like a lot less points. Once DJ was given the job part way through his rookie year, he has never been anything but the highest scoring RB in fantasy. That might be irrelevant since things are always so fluid in terms of coaches QBs, offenses, injuries, etc. but it is just my philosophy that I will always prefer an All Pro player with 4-6 years left than a 21 year old that has never played a down.Concept Coop said:
That's not how it works.Chadstroma said:
Even in a bad case for Barkley, rookie RBs with his kind of pedigree tend to hold their value pretty well, especially if they get volume. Remember Trent Richardson averaged 3.6ypc as a rookie and all it did was boost him to the #1 overall dynasty player entering year two.Ilov80s said:
Trent didn't hold that ranking very long- draft pedigree and lots of touches can only sustain a player for so long. As for value, you are right. However, their value only matters if I plan on selling. I would rather just take 4-6 years of an elite player and not worry about how much I could sell him for.
This is why I did it. The facts are; Barkley went 1.02 in the real NFL draft, he has high character, and he's a receiving threat out of the backfield, all of these things bring his floor to a level where I'm comfortable taking the risk. Did Gurley's value drop much after a ####ty second season? Not really, he was still going late 1st - early 2nd in most startups.fruity pebbles said:
