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5 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

I hope we get the three jailed Americans back from North Korea. I hope the economy does well.  I hope North Korea denuclearizes. You can debate all you want how much that represents Trump being successful, but I want it regardless. Hell, give him the Nobel Peace Prize if it makes you feel better.  I also hope the shady, disgusting, lying criminal ends up impeached and in jail. 

 I hope I can make it across the border. I hope to see my friend, and shake his hand. I hope the Pacific is as blue as it has been in my dreams. 

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26 minutes ago, Reg Lllama of Brixton said:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

 

  • Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.
  • Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
  • In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.
  • In 1989, on NBC, Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”
  • He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”
  • He uses the gang MS-13 to disparage all immigrants. Among many other statements, he has suggested that Obama’s protection of the Dreamers — otherwise law-abiding immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children — contributed to the spread of MS-13.
  • In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time.
  • Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.
  • In June 2017, Trump said 15,000 recent immigrants from Haiti “all have AIDS” and that 40,000 Nigerians, once seeing the United States, would never “go back to their huts” in Africa.
  • He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.
  • Trump called Obama (who was editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review) “a terrible student, terrible.”
  • Trump frequently claimed that Obama did not work hard as president.
  • Trump falsely claimed that President Obama “issued a statement for Kwanzaa but failed to issue one for Christmas.”
  • He often casts heavily black American cities as dystopian war zones. In a 2016 debate with Hillary Clinton, Trump said, “Our inner cities, African Americans, Hispanics are living in hell because it’s so dangerous. You walk down the street, you get shot.” Trump also said to black voters: “You’re living in poverty; your schools are no good; you have no jobs.”
  • He frequently offers false crime statistics to exaggerate urban crime, including about Oakland, Philadelphia and Ferguson, Mo.
  • He is quick to highlight crimes committed by dark-skinned people, sometimes exaggerating or lying about them (such as a claim about growing crime from “radical Islamic terror” in Britain). He is very slow to decry hate crimes committed by whites against dark-skinned people (such as the killing of an Indian man in Kansas last year).
  • He frequently criticizes prominent African-Americans for being unpatriotic, ungrateful and disrespectful.
  • He called Puerto Ricans who criticized his administration’s response to Hurricane Maria “politically motivated ingrates.”
  • He has retweeted white nationalists without apology.
  • He called some of those who marched alongside white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., last August “very fine people.”
  • After David Duke, the former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, endorsed him, Trump was reluctant to disavow Duke even when asked directly on television.
  • Trump hired Steve Bannon as his campaign head and later White House chief strategist. Under Bannon’s leadership, the website Breitbart madewhite nationalism a central theme. It featured a section, for example, on “black crime.”
  • Trump endorsed and campaigned for Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate who spoke positively about slavery and who called for an African-American Muslim member of Congress not to be seated because of his religion.
  • Trump pardoned – and fulsomely praises – Joe Arpaio, the Arizona sheriff sanctioned for racially profiling Latinos and for keeping immigrants in brutal prison conditions.
  • In a White House meeting with a Korean-American intelligence analyst briefing him on Pakistan, Trump wondered aloud why she was not working on North Korea policy.
  • Trump once referred to a Hispanic Miss Universe as “Miss Housekeeping.”
  • At a June 2016 campaign rally, Trump pointed to one attendee and said: “Oh, look at my African-American over here. Look at him.”

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31 minutes ago, Reg Lllama of Brixton said:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

 

  • Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.
  • Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
  • In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.
  • In 1989, on NBC, Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”
  • He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”
  • He uses the gang MS-13 to disparage all immigrants. Among many other statements, he has suggested that Obama’s protection of the Dreamers — otherwise law-abiding immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children — contributed to the spread of MS-13.
  • In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time.
  • Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.
  • In June 2017, Trump said 15,000 recent immigrants from Haiti “all have AIDS” and that 40,000 Nigerians, once seeing the United States, would never “go back to their huts” in Africa.
  • He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.
  • Trump called Obama (who was editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review) “a terrible student, terrible.”
  • Trump frequently claimed that Obama did not work hard as president.
  • Trump falsely claimed that President Obama “issued a statement for Kwanzaa but failed to issue one for Christmas.”
  • He often casts heavily black American cities as dystopian war zones. In a 2016 debate with Hillary Clinton, Trump said, “Our inner cities, African Americans, Hispanics are living in hell because it’s so dangerous. You walk down the street, you get shot.” Trump also said to black voters: “You’re living in poverty; your schools are no good; you have no jobs.”
  • He frequently offers false crime statistics to exaggerate urban crime, including about Oakland, Philadelphia and Ferguson, Mo.
  • He is quick to highlight crimes committed by dark-skinned people, sometimes exaggerating or lying about them (such as a claim about growing crime from “radical Islamic terror” in Britain). He is very slow to decry hate crimes committed by whites against dark-skinned people (such as the killing of an Indian man in Kansas last year).
  • He frequently criticizes prominent African-Americans for being unpatriotic, ungrateful and disrespectful.
  • He called Puerto Ricans who criticized his administration’s response to Hurricane Maria “politically motivated ingrates.”
  • He has retweeted white nationalists without apology.
  • He called some of those who marched alongside white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., last August “very fine people.”
  • After David Duke, the former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, endorsed him, Trump was reluctant to disavow Duke even when asked directly on television.
  • Trump hired Steve Bannon as his campaign head and later White House chief strategist. Under Bannon’s leadership, the website Breitbart madewhite nationalism a central theme. It featured a section, for example, on “black crime.”
  • Trump endorsed and campaigned for Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate who spoke positively about slavery and who called for an African-American Muslim member of Congress not to be seated because of his religion.
  • Trump pardoned – and fulsomely praises – Joe Arpaio, the Arizona sheriff sanctioned for racially profiling Latinos and for keeping immigrants in brutal prison conditions.
  • In a White House meeting with a Korean-American intelligence analyst briefing him on Pakistan, Trump wondered aloud why she was not working on North Korea policy.
  • Trump once referred to a Hispanic Miss Universe as “Miss Housekeeping.”
  • At a June 2016 campaign rally, Trump pointed to one attendee and said: “Oh, look at my African-American over here. Look at him.”

 

2 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

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1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

I am sure Hitler would agree with that....

Agree with what?  That Obama was divisive?  I agree with you 100%

1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

How does a statement like that come across?

Probably depends on how one wants it to come across....as I said before, if you want to be offensive, you'll make it so.  To me?  I think it's a rather sad statement of fact and a reflection of where we're at as a society.

1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

Why bring up racists or some other hideous group but to try to link the poster that group or person.

Are we suppose to pretend that a Venn diagram would NOT have a significant overlap where racist and "people who think Obama was divisive" meet?  That's just naive IMO.  Of course that's not to say that's the only reason one might see him divisive.  That wasn't the claim.

1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

Why not attack the logic of the point instead of some guilt by association.

Your confirmation bias I mentioned before.

1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

It is a poor arguement which only serves to put the poster on the defensive and prove they are not racist. 

Same here....we choose whether or not to be defensive, it's not a forced reaction.  Those confident in their position or find the point obviously false don't fall into this trap of "defense".  They laugh it off and move on because, to them, it's obviously absurd.  

 

1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

Really, how do you respond to such a point?   Ignore it maybe.   But that gets old.   

Seems reasonable to me :shrug: ESPECIALLY if you think it's completely ignorant.  Why even dignify it with a response?

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On 5/4/2018 at 1:09 PM, Cjw_55106 said:

Personally, I couldn't care less if Trump is sincere. Does the summit have a chance to bring about good things? I believe it does, so i'm all for it. 

Some people give waay to much power to the president. 

Would love for this to lead to something substantial; but Trump’s track record makes me (& should make everyone) hesitate.

Remember; he’s the guy who said “I’m not afraid of the NRA,” and promised reform measures.  Nothing has happened, except he has gone to an NRA rally and swore that he’ll protect the “God-given” right to bear arms.

Sounds good, just like his tough talk after Parkland; but I’ll wait until something actually happens before I give him the credit.

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This isn't a summit. It's getting bros together for a beer. There's people who study these things. There's groups who fight for these things. There's organizations like the police who have training on these things. 

And you know what else? There's more races than black and white. Let's hear from the Hispanics who now get called dirty immigrants. Or people from the middle east who now get called terrorists. Or people from Asia who, after the election, I had friends told on the street to wash a stranger's feet. Or the white Nazis holding rallies and praising Trump. Or even someone who is black who lives in the projects. 

The only way this is praiseworthy is if you're used to swallowing Trump's bull####. So he calls it a racial summit. And so you call it a racial summit. After our first bi-racial President, who was a self-made man, and thoughtful and articulate, was angrily called divisive. Get real.

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