Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah that's a good thought. Coach might be telling Minshew to get the ball out fast. That's not Charks game really. Oh well. A couple more games where they aren't targeting him and it'll be safe to say he's toast.
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WR D.J. Chark, CAR (2 Viewers)
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rockaction
Footballguy
Chark, Bryan Edwards, Josh Reynolds, and Chase Claypool lead the league in yards per target. Chark is fourth with just slightly over fifteen yards per target. He's 7 for 7 this year on targets/catches. Need to feed, and not just because I roster him.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think he will be toast in dynasty on the back end of days like Sunday and the week prior. He'll have better days even if the Jags usage of him trends downward. But why should it? That would be silly.
Milkman
Footballguy
The problem is there is no urgency to get him the ball. If he's your playmaker then you got to unleash the dragon in those spots so to speak. Lol
rockaction
Footballguy
I agree with you, but I've seen teams have lots less success while not getting their main playmakers the ball. The NFL is...the NFL. The Jags have bounced at least twenty-seven points back-to-back weeks, so one can't really say they're doing it totally wrong. Sub-optimally, maybe, but not totally wrong. Offense is not their problem.
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Milkman
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Nothing like reaffirming that they're doing the right thing by having just enough success, I know.
rockaction
Footballguy
At this rate he'll only have 56 targets on the year. That would be borderline criminal.
Milkman
Footballguy
It doesn't make sense either. He's a proven vet. They are turning to a rookie in a season we didn't have an offseason really? That's the trend we are seeing now though. 2 games is a small sample so let's see what happens Thursday but I'm not expecting much after what I've seen.
rockaction
Footballguy
A little overstated, I think. One good year does not elevate one to proven vet status. Even if one were so lucky as to have three years like that, "proven vet" is usually reserved for those on the downside of their skill sets. Chark is dynamic and a third-year breakout guy, just rounding into his peak. Use him, Gruden.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
agree with rockaction on the vet comment, but you called it, this seems to be a trend and same for some other teams, notably Slayton and Ruggs at a cost to their vet counterparts. I think there is some pattern here in that the "vets" for these three teams, including Chark, aren't exactly elite. I can put Miami in this mix too with Williams, though he's technically not a rookie. i'm still optimistic that when we look back at the season, in total Chark will eventually end up at the top. Preseason just ended (two games, right?), let's go!
Milkman
Footballguy
He's more proven than any other receiving option on the team. He has a 1k season being the man under his belt. If proven vet is overstated "ok" but teams don't normally regulate players of that stature to 4th on the target pecking order for rookies and undrafted players like Cole. As much as I like Cole.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Toast? I get the targets have been a huge issue and he's not going to be as reliable as we hoped but a 109/1 through 2 games is a long way from toast. He just might be more Marvin Jones than Julio Jones.
Milkman
Footballguy
Well I did say a couple more games.
So yes a couple more games of 3 targets a game and yes his trade value tanks in dynasty and he's toast. I just didn't put it in the context I was thinking in my head.
If he goes out there Thursday and puts up 2-41-0 on 3 targets and then 1-15-0 on 3 targets the following Sunday what could we reasonably expect is his trade value when he's got 15 Targets in 4 games?
I would call that a rapidly depreciating asset.
Or toast.
Whichever you prefer.
Only 2 games so far. So to early to call it now. So let's hope they show some urgency getting him the ball downfield Thursday night.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
The overreactions are pretty crazy this year. Chark, Jeudy, etc. Lots of threads filled with people proclaiming the end of a player on two weeks of numbers.
Chark, for example, had 5 games last year with 5 or fewer targets. He's had two games with 3 and 4 targets this year. We're talking about a target or two off of his worst games last season. Settle down people.
Chark, for example, had 5 games last year with 5 or fewer targets. He's had two games with 3 and 4 targets this year. We're talking about a target or two off of his worst games last season. Settle down people.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Through 2 weeks Chark is #2 in the NFL in Defense-Adjusted Yards above Average (DYAR), at 78 yds.
He is #1 in defense-adjusted value over average, at 115% (that is an insane rating btw). (https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/wr/2020)
This week he goes against the Miami secondary who are #28 in allowing QB success (59.6% success rate) and #30 allowing success to opposing WRs (65.9%). Also to note, Miami are #2 against TEs (33.3% success rate). (https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/33934/nfl-analytics-positional-success-rates-allowed-through-week-2)
Just sayin'
He is #1 in defense-adjusted value over average, at 115% (that is an insane rating btw). (https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/wr/2020)
This week he goes against the Miami secondary who are #28 in allowing QB success (59.6% success rate) and #30 allowing success to opposing WRs (65.9%). Also to note, Miami are #2 against TEs (33.3% success rate). (https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/33934/nfl-analytics-positional-success-rates-allowed-through-week-2)
Just sayin'
Milkman
Footballguy
Watched the entire game. Minshew threw to other guys (some complete/some incomplete) before Chark uncovered or flat out missed Chark open at least 10 times in the game. With the last time costing the jags the game. At the 3:44 mark in the 4th it's 2nd and 9. Chark runs a short inside curl route and is wide open by 6 yards in every direction for what would have been a first down. Right in front of Minshew. All he had to do is catch turn around fall forward. First down. Instead Minshew threw it incomplete to Chris Thompson. Who was covered anyway. They went 3 and out and lost the game.
Last time I'll bring this game up.
Keeping it
Last time I'll bring this game up.
Keeping it
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rockaction
Footballguy
Truebluey
Footballguy
GJ Milkman. Despite Minshew's competitive spirit, he is still learning as an NFL QB. Chark gets open a LOT, so hopefully the coaching staff will help him learn to lean on his #1 WR Star.Watched the entire game. Minshew threw to other guys (some complete/some incomplete) before Chark uncovered or flat out missed Chark open at least 10 times in the game. With the last time costing the jags the game. At the 3:44 markin the 4th it's 2nd and 9. Chark runs a short inside curl route and is wide open by 6 yards in every direction for what would have been a first down. Right in front of Minshew. All he had to do is catch turn around fall forward. First down. Instead Minshew threw it incomplete to Chris Thompson. Who was covered anyway. They went 3 and out and lost the game.
Last time I'll bring this game up.
Keeping it
For Thursday night's game, he might be a game time decision:
For the Thursday Night Game: #Dolphins CB Byron Jones (groin/Achilles) is out, while S Clayton Fejedelem (pec) is doubtful. For the #Jaguars, C Brandon Linder (knee) is out, while WR DJ Chark (chest/back) is questionable. - Ian Rapoport
rockaction
Footballguy
Chark took a wallop when he gained that first down later on in the game. The hit reverberated all over the field and he came right off. Hope it's not broken ribs. Then redraft would be toast.
creepythinman
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That is a good thing IMO. It won't be difficult to adjust to get Chark the ball. I would be more worried if you said he was never open.Watched the entire game. Minshew threw to other guys (some complete/some incomplete) before Chark uncovered or flat out missed Chark open at least 10 times in the game. With the last time costing the jags the game. At the 3:44 mark in the 4th it's 2nd and 9. Chark runs a short inside curl route and is wide open by 6 yards in every direction for what would have been a first down. Right in front of Minshew. All he had to do is catch turn around fall forward. First down. Instead Minshew threw it incomplete to Chris Thompson. Who was covered anyway. They went 3 and out and lost the game.
Last time I'll bring this game up.
Keeping it
Milkman
Footballguy
Not sure I agree with that. What I saw was an offense built around Shenault/Cole/Eifert(redzone)/RB. With Chark being an accessory. He's not taking the next step into FF WR1 territory as an accessory.
If they're not going to push the ball down the field, using Chark's size/speed/high pointing abilities he's no more than a WR3.
I mean he can run 25 yards down the field wide open all he wants if Minshew has the ball out quick on a 3 step drop to Shenault for a 6 yard gain then Gruden is clapping and cheering Minshews decision on and nothings changing.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
It's a young team with a developing OL, QB, etc. Give it time and the offense can open things up. Plus. I like them but this team probably isn't really as good as they have looked so far. There will be more games where they need to sling it.
Milkman
Footballguy
Hey bro love/respect your posts in here and maybe you're right. That's just what I'm seeing through 2 weeks.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was really excited to see him go up against the Dolphins defense. We may still get to see it, but this doesn't sound very good for his chances of an explosive night.
Milkman
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/FantasyProsNFL/status/1309087192741011456?s=20
Looks like he'll play barring a setback.
Looks like he'll play barring a setback.
rockaction
Footballguy
Awesome.
Talk about stones. Love it. Chark attack commences tonight!
(Maybe.)
Admit it, tho. You traded for Hunt.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep, Hunt was the key piece after being stuck without Saquon. Getting Chark in there too was a big bonus.
pantherclub
Footballguy
What a wild fantasy year already. GodalmightyTZMarkie said:
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
You start with confidence when he comes back. Minshew was already allergic to him. Now he's banged up. I guess he sucks.
Shenault for President.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I'm guessing you missed the 2019 season then.
I'm certainly not saying hes the second coming, but to write him off as a "bust" is a bit of a naive guess at this point. The only issue here is the lack of targets, which he has literally caught every single one this year.
To me this reeks of a "he's been dealing with some type of minor injury the first few weeks" sort of thing, and they held him out tonight because they might feel like they don't need him to win. Giving him the extra week may help him rest-of-season.
I drafted him as a WR3 in several spots this year, and I was stoked to do it.
He has had a slow start, but here's a newsflash, thats going on all across the league. I'm not concerned at all, and hopefully this extra week gets him right.
TZM
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Milkman
Footballguy
Sorry I just thought this was to funny to pass up.
Good luck boys I won't ruin the thread for you. He's on my bench till he gets more than 7-8 targets in a game. Which looks like after Gruden leaves.
I love the threads positivity!
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Truebluey
Footballguy
I'm glad they ruled him out actually. He's my WR1 this year, and he's looked great, but I have Parker (playing tonight) and CeeDee Lamb to fill in. I hate game time decisions where they activate him but then never really play him. Or worse, I sit him and he goes off for 30 points (cough, Chris Godwin).TZMarkie said:
Interesting. I had Chark over Marvin Jones and now with him out Slayton is over Jones for me. He's another guy that needs to prove he can do it this year.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Lifting weights and posting about Chark all the while slapping a keyboard like a caveman doesn't always mix well.
TZM
rockaction
Footballguy
Very disappointing to see. Sounds like broken ribs or a bone bruise or something. He did take a wallop against Tennessee over the middle. Let's hope his play isn't affected by this, physically or mentally. Never sounded good from the beginning.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Minshew's strength as a passer is making smart reads and throwing to open players. Chark drawing coverage helps players get open. Minshew doesn't really have the physical tools to force throws into tight windows or throw his player open consistently.
