Have you ever tried to break up with a Wookie? Bad idea.Since some of the individual SW movie threads end up discussing the overall SW Universe, as well as other SW movies not in the OP, I thought I’d start an overall Star Wars Universe thread to capture general SW thoughts, rumors, opinions, rants and Wookiee love.
NerdSince some of the individual SW movie threads end up discussing the overall SW Universe, as well as other SW movies not in the OP, I thought I’d start an overall Star Wars Universe thread to capture general SW thoughts, rumors, opinions, rants and Wookiee love.
I have a vested interest in the SW Universe continuing to do well, since it pays the bills, besides the fact that I grew up loving it. Star Wars, as well as Jurassic Park, are the reason I do what I do for a living. So, yes, I’m still very interested in Star Wars , but I’m very interested to hear people's takes on these movies cuz, at the end of the day, it’s all about being entertained by fun movies (and killer special effects, of course!)15 years ago, Star Wars was all I could think about. 10 years ago, still loved Star Wars but didn't expect anything new for years to come if ever. 5 years ago, I was excited for new material and a new direction. This past year I find myself not caring as much. Maybe I've grown up but I doubt it's that. I just can't invest the time I once did in this universe anymore. So much of what I loved is already gone.
Yep. This is the first time in my life that I haven't been excited about a SW movie coming out. I haven't bothered to get Last Jedi on bluray yet, which is also a first.15 years ago, Star Wars was all I could think about. 10 years ago, still loved Star Wars but didn't expect anything new for years to come if ever. 5 years ago, I was excited for new material and a new direction. This past year I find myself not caring as much. Maybe I've grown up but I doubt it's that. I just can't invest the time I once did in this universe anymore. So much of what I loved is already gone.
The last Jedi wore on me. I saw it twice in theaters. Once with my friends and second time with my kids. I was so angry after the first viewing. It wasn't that they were trying new stuff it's just that they were doing it poorly. It made me cringe the whole time.I have a vested interest in the SW Universe continuing to do well, since it pays the bills, besides the fact that I grew up loving it. Star Wars, as well as Jurassic Park, are the reason I do what I do for a living. So, yes, I’m still very interested in Star Wars , but I’m very interested to hear people's takes on these movies cuz, at the end of the day, it’s all about being entertained by fun movies (and killer special effects, of course!)
Think of it like the first order ships having the braking system of a 747, and the Milenium Falcon having the braking system of a Ford Escort.I was a Star Wars nerd for decades.
But then I experienced an unresolved conflict so great that I can no longer appreciate any of the movies in the series, even the original.
The issue is in The Force Awakens, Solo comes out of hyperspace as close as he can to the planet so that he doesn't get detected by radar, but slowing down meant flying through trees and #### until if finally drags to a stop on the snow.
Then at the very beginning of the next movie, The Last Jedi, the first order ships come out of hyperspace and stop on a dime.
TreasonI used to be super into Star Wars. Back when my income was disposable I even collected those expensive lightsaber replicas. Now, I still enjoy the movies and all but I’ve kind of grown up a little. I now consider movies from my childhood like Ghostbusters and Karate Kid to be more enjoyable.
I enjoyed the Last Jedi as I have all the Star Wars films. It had it's flaws but it was still a fun SW flick. You missed out by not seeing Solo in the theater. I watched it twice to make up for it for you.The last Jedi wore on me. I saw it twice in theaters. Once with my friends and second time with my kids. I was so angry after the first viewing. It wasn't that they were trying new stuff it's just that they were doing it poorly. It made me cringe the whole time.
The second time was my kids first Star Wars movie. They enjoyed it and I'm happy for that but a part of me felt sad knowing that I wasn't ever going to be excited for a Star Wars movie ever again.
Solo looked pretty cool but it's the first movie I haven't seen in the theater. While all the others I saw first day or opening weekend, Solo I don't really have as a priority to see. I'll catch it on Blu Ray.
The spark is gone. Even the prequels left me feeling satisfied and wanting more Star Wars. Last Jedi just kind of left me apathetic to the whole thing.
Did the First Order come out of hyper space in the atmosphere of a planet?I was a Star Wars nerd for decades.
But then I experienced an unresolved conflict so great that I can no longer appreciate any of the movies in the series, even the original.
The issue is in The Force Awakens, Solo comes out of hyperspace as close as he can to the planet so that he doesn't get detected by radar, but slowing down meant flying through trees and #### until if finally drags to a stop on the snow.
Then at the very beginning of the next movie, The Last Jedi, the first order ships come out of hyperspace and stop on a dime.
I hate apologetics.Did the First Order come out of hyper space in the atmosphere of a planet?
I ask because it was far from the first time in the Star Wars movies where ships came out of hyper space. Every time it appeared to be a hard stop, although it really wasn't that but no need to get into that. The only exception that I recall was Han Solo doing it in The Force Awakens so it doesn't seem too far of a reach to think coming out of hyper space in the atmosphere of a planet may make a material difference.I hate apologetics.
Totally agree. I was on the "strong dislike" side of the fence for Last Jedi, but Solo proved to be a very good, entertaining and fun movie with that original "Star Wars Feel".Last Jedi was God awful, and it almost killed my love for SW.
Mostly out of habit, I went and saw Solo in the theater. Glad I did. Great movie that really captures the spirit of a great character. People that allowed Last Jedi to run them off are missing out.
Sure, but when you consider the prequels, is that really that high of a bar to set?I really have a hard time wrapping my head around the hate for Last Jedi which was probably top-4 in the franchise.
Well, no. But that also calls into question how someone that sat through TPM could consider TLJ their breaking point with the franchise.Sure, but when you consider the prequels, is that really that high of a bar to set?
Because it had a plot.Well, no. But that also calls into question how someone that sat through TPM could consider TLJ their breaking point with the franchise.
And Darth Maul...and the best lightsaber duel of all time. Hell that duel was 100x better than TLJ.Because it had a plot.
I hate apologetics.I ask because it was far from the first time in the Star Wars movies where ships came out of hyper space. Every time it appeared to be a hard stop, although it really wasn't that but no need to get into that. The only exception that I recall was Han Solo doing it in The Force Awakens so it doesn't seem too far of a reach to think coming out of hyper space in the atmosphere of a planet may make a material difference.I hate apologetics.
In a universe where dudes fight with light swords (that seemingly have nothing containing the beams) and move objects with their magic mind powers, having a difference based upon theoretical physics wouldn't be a big deal. Particularly not a deal breaker.
Agree. All had their flaws. The good parts in last Jedi were really good. Pretty much just hated the casino stuff and space leiaI really have a hard time wrapping my head around the hate for Last Jedi which was probably top-4 in the franchise.
I appreciate it but that response feels like a Dodge.I hate apologetics.
I’d watch the entire World Cup before I’d sit through Last Jedi again.I really have a hard time wrapping my head around the hate for Last Jedi which was probably top-4 in the franchise.
Yes, this is the first and greatest unresolved conflict in the SW universe.I was a Star Wars nerd for decades.
But then I experienced an unresolved conflict so great that I can no longer appreciate any of the movies in the series, even the original.
The issue is in The Force Awakens, Solo comes out of hyperspace as close as he can to the planet so that he doesn't get detected by radar, but slowing down meant flying through trees and #### until if finally drags to a stop on the snow.
Then at the very beginning of the next movie, The Last Jedi, the first order ships come out of hyperspace and stop on a dime.
I appreciate your honesty, and for getting the chance to be attached to something you love and get paid for it. Normally, I'd keep my SW thoughts more or less to myself, but since this appears to be an attempt at some 'market research', I will gladly offer my perspective, and apologize in advance for it. If you want to skip my testimony, jump down to the last paragraph.I have a vested interest in the SW Universe continuing to do well, since it pays the bills, besides the fact that I grew up loving it. Star Wars, as well as Jurassic Park, are the reason I do what I do for a living. So, yes, I’m still very interested in Star Wars , but I’m very interested to hear people's takes on these movies cuz, at the end of the day, it’s all about being entertained by fun movies (and killer special effects, of course!)
And any scene with Rose, by far the worst character ever in Star WarsAgree. All had their flaws. The good parts in last Jedi were really good. Pretty much just hated the casino stuff and space leia
This. Definitely this. Starting with the prequels, and it continues with the sequels, it feels like I need to bring a notebook and highlighter for the opening scroll. Instead of some simple language and brief introduction from the scroll, you now get a multitude of new names and places and complex situations you are being thrown into. Then they try to cram in so many different storylines, and different characters, it is just so compressed.So, after all that rambling, here's what I want to offer as someone who has spent not only his own but a ton more of his parents money on this franchise and despite being burned/heartbroken by this franchise multiple times over the last 40 years, every time hoping it will redeem itself with its next offering: FIX THE STORYTELLING. I know it's supposed to be fantasy, but it seems like the special effects and selling toys are what drives the franchise now more than the story. I also understand that at its core it's supposed to a serial, but what made the old serials that supposedly inspired it compelling was their brevity. They would tell a small chapter of a larger story, and would go 15-20 minutes, just enough to enjoy seeing the character(s) in action and trigger speculation about what was to come next but not too much as to start bogging down the part of the story you were seeing. I think this is why I've stuck with the Gotham TV show. They have so far stayed true to the essence of what that universe and characters are, and pack so much plot and action into 1 hour that it's always hard to believe they get so much done in just 1 hour. That's probably also why the Clone Wars series was well-received; it fit the format. With these movies, however, it almost seems the opposite, in that they have 2+ hours to work with, but still don't do all that much in all that time. Yes, the plot usually jumps from place to place to show other characters and plot lines coming together, but that doesn't always equate to adequate storytelling. The special effects of episode IV sold a lot of toys, but sadly that seemed to eclipse the greatness of Han shooting first or the rescue of Princess Leia and escaping the Death Star, to the point where the effects became the driving force of the franchise instead of just a prop for telling the story.
Both sound great. Might do that today.I’d watch the entire World Cup before I’d sit through Last Jedi again.
This reminds me of another item that needs to be fixed, and that's the hype train. Maybe it was because I didn't pay much attention to the news in '77, but it seems like there wasn't a lot of hype leading up to the release of episode IV, outside of the typical commercials with a few clips, which still didn't help make any sense other than it had special effects. Putting "Episode IV: A NEW HOPE" into the crawl when it was in theaters was the beginning of the hype train, and everything that has come out since seems to be accompanied by a media blitz, including some really stupid 'details' like the discussion of Lando's sexuality in the runup to the release of Solo. All that story really did was put the movie in the public eye yet again. I understand that it's more difficult now to stay OUT of the news than try to get into it, but a story like that is level, and that shouldn't happen BEFORE the thing even comes out.Is Solo still out in any theaters? I may go try to finally see it this weekend, but I'd much rather go see Ant-Man & the Wasp to be honest.
The media blitz may not have been huge but there were lines around the block for Episode IV.This reminds me of another item that needs to be fixed, and that's the hype train. Maybe it was because I didn't pay much attention to the news in '77, but it seems like there wasn't a lot of hype leading up to the release of episode IV, outside of the typical commercials with a few clips, which still didn't help make any sense other than it had special effects. Putting "Episode IV: A NEW HOPE" into the crawl when it was in theaters was the beginning of the hype train, and everything that has come out since seems to be accompanied by a media blitz, including some really stupid 'details' like the discussion of Lando's sexuality in the runup to the release of Solo. All that story really did was put the movie in the public eye yet again. I understand that it's more difficult now to stay OUT of the news than try to get into it, but a story like that is level, and that shouldn't happen BEFORE the thing even comes out.
That's the thing I didn't understand. It seemed like there was a lot of hype about it, but I can't recall much talk about it. I remember wanting to see it, but not crazy about wanting to see it, and I don't remember hearing or seeing anything that would have prompted lines around the corner.The media blitz may not have been huge but there were lines around the block for Episode IV.
Yeah I don't think there were lines around the corner opening night.That's the thing I didn't understand. It seemed like there was a lot of hype about it, but I can't recall much talk about it. I remember wanting to see it, but not crazy about wanting to see it, and I don't remember hearing or seeing anything that would have prompted lines around the corner.
Yeah Google the week by week box office for star wars. it goes up from opening weekendYeah I don't think there were lines around the corner opening night.
I stand corrected, as it appears to have opened on a Wednesday night, but by 2 days later, Memorial Day weekend, between initial reviews and the fact that it started in a smaller number of theaters, lines started forming pretty quickly.Yeah I don't think there were lines around the corner opening night.
I saw it 7 times in the theater during its first run, and TBH, on that last viewing, I felt something die, because for the first time, the opening crawl said EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE. I can still hear the murmur ripple across the audience in that theater. I didn't mind that it implied that there was going to be a sequel, but wtf start with the 4th part of a story?
In a galaxy far far away............It was a long time ago, of course.
Seemed like it happened before Empire came out; regardless, I definitely felt a disturbance in the force.A lot of fans alive at that time remember it this way for some reason, but you're misremembering--this didn't happen during its first run--the title was changed to "EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE" on the opening crawl for the 1981 re-release, because coming up with the idea that Vader was actually Luke's father while going over the ESB script got Lucas interested in the idea of Anakin's backstory. It doesn't invalidate your feelings about it or anything, just thought it was interesting that so many people have this false memory. It was a long time ago, of course.
Star Wars was thought to be a gamble when it first opened and Fox wasn't expecting it to be a hit. They only booked showings for it at Mann's Chinese Theater for only two weeks. They brought it back to the theater a month later and it was so huge by then that they had Darth Vader, C3PO and R2D2 imprint their hands (feet? tracks?) in concrete at the front of the theater. Even Lucas was worried it would bomb, he thought Close Encounters was going to be the bigger movie and Spielberg thought Star Wars would be bigger, so they famously traded 2.5% of the rights, which of course made Spielberg boatloads.That's the thing I didn't understand. It seemed like there was a lot of hype about it, but I can't recall much talk about it. I remember wanting to see it, but not crazy about wanting to see it, and I don't remember hearing or seeing anything that would have prompted lines around the corner.
Edit: I think one of the other famous stories, if I recall correctly, was that Lucas was so worried it was going to bomb that he booked a trip and went to Hawaii with his wife so he wouldn't be there when it opened if it did indeed bomb. The first time he knew it was a hit was on the evening news when Walter Kronkite reported about Star Wars mania sweeping the nation. There were people that were watching it, coming out of the theater and immediately getting back in line to watch it again.
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My original post was aI appreciate it but that response feels like a Dodge.
Nice knowing you Lando. I look forward to his cinematic death from Space Aids or whatever they concoct for him.