The Frankman
Footballguy
Mistakes are mistakes. Even if we tolerate them, the coaching staff won't and Callaway is feeling the weight of those errors.
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Antonio Callaway - WR Dolphins now (2 Viewers)
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He hasnt been good. The talent shines which is exciting and i know hes a rookie but hes run the wrong routes many many times, dropped a handful of catchable balls and has been flat out inefficient.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Angry I chose him over Ridley a couple of weeks ago but what can you do? Probably jettison him for a QB bye week replacement tonight.
shadrap
Footballguy
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Yeah, but they don't have any quality replacements. Something to examine over the off-season, for sure.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
There is kind of a lazy quality to his game. Still trying to figure out what went wrong on his long catch last Sunday when he was easily caught from behind. I thought he pulled a hammy or something the way he was running but i havent seen any mention of an injury. Maybe tired, not sure.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I have to laugh a little at people questioning a raw 21 year old rookie thrust into a starting lineup with a rookie QB who's still learning too and then wondering why he has stuff to learn about the offense and running routes. My god people, trust the talent and let him develop a little before you start doubting him.
trader jake
Footballguy
Agreed. He's been in position to make a slew of plays and just hasn't performed well enough yet. Something has to give soon though...either he has to capitalize on his opportunities or those targets will decrease.
Fair point. I'm just not sure the Browns organization will be as keen on giving a talented wideout as much rope after the Josh Gordon experience. It's a new regime, but most of these guys cut their teeth in Green Bay and that group didn't put up with much off-the-field non-sense there.
4th&inches
Footballguy
contemplating dropping this guy for Coutee.
He has the talent, but just not sure we'll be able to trust him as anything more than a low WR3/ flex until he can be more consistent.
He has the talent, but just not sure we'll be able to trust him as anything more than a low WR3/ flex until he can be more consistent.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
To be clear, I think there's a huge difference between behavioral issues and things like running the wrong route or dropping a pass as a rookie that's trying to learn quickly and play fast. If he ends up with drug problems or legal trouble, sure, that should be an issue. But for people to start to write him off because he's learning the ropes of being a WR in the NFL, I'd say that's nonsense.trader jake said:
In a redraft, he's still a high upside flier, but one who has a starting job (at least for now). In dynasty, he's a perfect guy to have on the bench.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Good comp..I think I'd rather have Coutee.4th&inches said:
I understand why all you guys are so down on him but realize that he is a Rob rookie who didn't play last year. Additionally he is now with a new quarterback. He is physically the most talented receiver on the Browns and I expect game script to lead to many high scoring games as the Cleveland's defense has been mediocre to date.
I think in any 12-team or big league he is a must own. I realize it bye weeks are coming up and he may be hard to trust but I suspect he is the type of receiver who could be a League winner as he finds his game over the course of the season and probably blows up with a great schedule over the last half of the season.
I think in any 12-team or big league he is a must own. I realize it bye weeks are coming up and he may be hard to trust but I suspect he is the type of receiver who could be a League winner as he finds his game over the course of the season and probably blows up with a great schedule over the last half of the season.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Starting him over Lesean McCoy and Derrick Henry in one league.
Dropped Mike Williams to pick him up and start him over Philip Lindsay and Calvin Ridley in another.
I just can't shake the image of him getting overthrown on two wide open deep balls the past two-weeks. Those are 10+ point plays by themselves right there. Feel like this is the week he finally connects on one of those and goes off big league. If this game was in Baltimore, it would be a different story.
It's my FLEX spot and I started Eric Ebron in both leagues, so I'm taking a shot at a home run. He's going to see more targets than all those guys, imo.
Dropped Mike Williams to pick him up and start him over Philip Lindsay and Calvin Ridley in another.
I just can't shake the image of him getting overthrown on two wide open deep balls the past two-weeks. Those are 10+ point plays by themselves right there. Feel like this is the week he finally connects on one of those and goes off big league. If this game was in Baltimore, it would be a different story.
It's my FLEX spot and I started Eric Ebron in both leagues, so I'm taking a shot at a home run. He's going to see more targets than all those guys, imo.
He's sitting in waivers right now. After last week's drops, think this is the time to nab him. Don't think his value will be lower.
And look at this schedule:
* LAC
* @TB
* @PIT
* KC
* @ ATL
The above pass D's are ALL at the bottom. LAC has some talent in the secondary, but hasn't performed well so far. Other than that, TB/PIT/KC/ATL are all miserable.
Baker and Calloway are going to be hooking up deep here. After this stretch, everyone will be kicking themselves for dropping him.
And look at this schedule:
* LAC
* @TB
* @PIT
* KC
* @ ATL
The above pass D's are ALL at the bottom. LAC has some talent in the secondary, but hasn't performed well so far. Other than that, TB/PIT/KC/ATL are all miserable.
Baker and Calloway are going to be hooking up deep here. After this stretch, everyone will be kicking themselves for dropping him.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Tough matchup this week.
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Anybody still hanging in with Antonio? I think he would be difficult to start, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a breakout game. They will have to score points to keep up with LAC most likely and they are running out of other options at WR.
smashblvd
Footballguy
Picked up Coutee to stash on my bench and had to drop Callaway, Kirk, or Sutton -- moving forward with Kirk and Sutton.
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Still holding but it's getting difficult
The Frankman
Footballguy
If Willies can't play then the only other WR on the roster besides Landry and Callaway is Rod Streater and someone called "Damion Ratley". I think you almost have to give Callaway 70% usage at that point. Still holding but not starting him this week, my flexes are Coutee vs. Buffalo and Lamar Miller.
EDIT: Just for future refence, we may see a Damion Ratley page coming soon. Holy schnikes.
EDIT: Just for future refence, we may see a Damion Ratley page coming soon. Holy schnikes.
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
If he can get going against LAC the next 4 after that are glorious matchups. @TB, @Pitt, KC, Atl
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I'm starting him this week. The others Browns WRs are all banged up and I'd expect to see Heyward all over Landry. Callaway should get plenty of looks against a defense that can be beaten deep.
They'll try to run too, but I'd expect Callaway and Njoku to see more action unless they use Duke out of the backfield.
They'll try to run too, but I'd expect Callaway and Njoku to see more action unless they use Duke out of the backfield.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Thank you for this. I really want to myself and I agree with your logic. Would be over Jordy or Godwin in my case.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Just threw Callaway in the lineup over Jordy.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Personally, I'd start him fairly easily over Jordy. Jordy might have a nice game, but the same could be said for Cooper, or Cook, or Bryant in the passing game. Callaway has only Landry and Njoku really to compete with, and I expect Landry will have an elite CB to deal with.
Godwin would be tempting just because of his matchup. No idea which way I'd go on that one, but again, he'll have more competition for catches in Evans, Jackson, Brate, and potentially Howard too.
It's all a crapshoot anyways, but my gut tells me that Callaway is going to have a nice matchup this week assuming Heyward follows Landry. Any way to know this?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Old Mother Hubbard. Should be in peoples lineups this weekend.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
This offense will still perform, and I think Calloway is mid-low end flex that might be useful but I don't see the consistency in targets -- for him or anyone else on the team -- to really be dependable in terms of his floor.
Some guy dropped Jeffrey for Calloway after week 2. His loss, my gain.
Some guy dropped Jeffrey for Calloway after week 2. His loss, my gain.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Callaway is getting a lot of deep balls thrown his direction.
Go to the link to see the top ten leaders in the entire league for air yards per target.
Now all he needs to do is start catching those deep targets.
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Now all he needs to do is start catching those deep targets.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Targets and air yards and all those predictive stats seem to like him. However, when I watch him he looks like a mess. What do we do?
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
He looks like he plays really fast but his body moves faster than his mind right now. He's thinking out there instead of reacting. Once things slow down and he gets more comfortable, things could get interesting.
He doesn't look like a mess to me, he looks like a raw 21 year old rookie.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right that is what I see. I think I am just looking at it from a redraft perspective and you are likely on a dynasty view.
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Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Part of the problem the past few weeks is that the Browns defense has been decent. As in, they've been in most of these games, resulting in conservative play-calling.
If game flow has them playing from behind, I can see him having a big game. With that said, that could be this week against the San Diego, Super Chargers!
Yes, I know they're not in San Diego anymore. Something else I noticed last week, was that they threw him a screen pass and he got a first down off it (iirc). Screen passes are eventually going to open things up downfield but more importantly they're high % receptions and he has the wheels to bust a big play off one.
I feel like in a bout of "fantasy karma" this could he the week he goes off. He seems like the kind of guy that RIGHT when everyone else has given up on him, he houses a long touchdown and becomes a waiver wire darling again.
I think this could he the week but I've been saying that for a few weeks. If San Diego gets a lead, pass- pass- pass-
Double cover Jarvis Landry. Now who's open? Njoku and Callaway. Maybe Duke Johnson but let's not get crazy here...
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Are you sure heyward travels to the slot? Landry is still playing mostly from the slot and most of these shadow corners don’t travel to the slot which means he will either play one side or shadow Calloway but I don’t know if Calloway is considered someone they need to shadow.
Here's what Silva says about slot receivers vs LAC:
Slot receivers to face the Bolts included Jordy Nelson (4/43/1) - Seth Roberts (4/41/0) - Cooper Kupp (4/71/1) in the last three weeks, while PFF has charged Chargers slot CB Desmond King with 17-of-19 targets allowed (90%) for 145 yards and a touchdown. Slot man Landry is entrenched as Mayfield’s go-to guy. . …
I go with Ellie on this and say Heyward probably plays a side with no particular attention paid to Callaway.
Slot receivers to face the Bolts included Jordy Nelson (4/43/1) - Seth Roberts (4/41/0) - Cooper Kupp (4/71/1) in the last three weeks, while PFF has charged Chargers slot CB Desmond King with 17-of-19 targets allowed (90%) for 145 yards and a touchdown. Slot man Landry is entrenched as Mayfield’s go-to guy. . …
I go with Ellie on this and say Heyward probably plays a side with no particular attention paid to Callaway.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Good point. Opponents can put their cb1 on the speedster and double Landry in the middle. Damn Gordon.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
What I saw is that on fly patterns the DBs are muscling him to the sidelines where his sole route responsibility is to force the route more towards the hash away from the sideline so has room to adjust and give the QB more field to work with/throw to because the ball will be thrown to the sideline.
The other issue is hands. He looked good on that deep ball that TT threw where it looked like he overthrew him where Callaway was able to catch up with the ball and make a fantastic catch but the ball was from Ty and it had a high arc and was falling/dropping when he made the reception. Baker throws with higher velocity and the trajectory of his balls are lower and I think the spin rate must be different because Callaway is not the only Cleveland receiver who has been dropping balls after the team made the switch to Baker. Callaway has been getting a lot of deep balls thrown his way so his drops have been more glaring but he does drop more than the others.
Bottom line, he needs to improve his route running and he's got to improve catching the ball once it gets to him. With Rashard Higgins injured and now Willies out the Browns don't have a ton of options so hopefully he starts to improve.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
From what I saw, I'm relatively sure that Heyward followed Cooper everywhere last week, including the slot. Heyward came into the league as a slot corner, after all. Im not sure where to find out if he's serves as a true shadow CB who follows the #1 everywhere. None of those guys Silva listed are the team's #1 WR.
So, slot receivers may have success against the Chargers when Heyward is outside matching up against a team's #1 WR.
Man, imagine if Gordon was still with the browns getting Calloways targets plus a few more cuz he’s josh Gordon...wr1 and Baker would be a qb1 easily.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Starting with confidence. If he doesn't produce this week, it's off to the glue factory...
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The Frankman
Footballguy
TWO. OF. TEN.
I don't know if he wears a visor or what but he's having a horrible time tracking balls in the air. It's mind-numbingly frustrating because he's losing huge chunk gains every which way possible.
