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https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wgdz/ron-watkins-congressional-campaign-finance-report

Q, or Ron Watkins, is not killing it in his race for Congress.

"Three months later, however, Watkins’ campaign appears dead in the water after his first campaign finance report reveals the former administrator of 8kun, the fringe message board where QAnon flourished, has raised just over $30,000 in donations."  

The link has everything, a photo that really accentuates the high school mustache, a video where he embarrasses himself at a school board meeting, and the amazing back story of his campaign manager. 

 
Who Is Behind QAnon? Linguistic Detectives Find Fingerprints

Using machine learning, separate teams of computer scientists identified the same two men as likely authors of messages that fueled the viral movement.

By David D. Kirkpatrick, NYT, Feb. 19, 2022

“Open your eyes,” the online post began, claiming, “Many in our govt worship Satan.”

That warning, published on a freewheeling online message board in October 2017, was the beginning of the movement now known as QAnon. Paul Furber was its first apostle.

The outlandish claim made perfect sense to Mr. Furber, a South African software developer and tech journalist long fascinated with American politics and conspiracy theories, he said in an interview. He still clung to “Pizzagate,” the debunked online lie that liberal Satanists were trafficking children from a Washington restaurant. He was also among the few who understood an obscure reference in the message to “Operation Mockingbird,” an alleged C.I.A. scheme to manipulate the news media.

As the stream of messages, most signed only “Q,” grew into a sprawling conspiracy theory, the mystery surrounding their authorship became a central fascination for its followers — who was the anonymous Q?

Now two teams of forensic linguists say their analysis of the Q texts shows that Mr. Furber, one of the first online commentators to call attention to the earliest messages, actually played the lead role in writing them.

Sleuths hunting for the writer behind Q have increasingly overlooked Mr. Furber and focused their speculation on another QAnon booster: Ron Watkins, who operated a website where the Q messages began appearing in 2018 and is now running for Congress in Arizona. And the scientists say they found evidence to back up those suspicions as well. Mr. Watkins appears to have taken over from Mr. Furber at the beginning of 2018. Both deny writing as Q.

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The studies provide the first empirical evidence of who invented the toxic QAnon myth, and the scientists who conducted the studies said they hoped that unmasking the creators might weaken its hold over QAnon followers. Some polls indicate that millions of people still believe that Q is a top military insider whose messages have revealed that former President Trump will save the world from a cabal of “deep state” Democratic pedophiles. QAnon has been linked to scores of violent incidents, many of the attackers who stormed the Capitol last year were adherents, and the F.B.I. has labeled the movement a potential terrorist threat.

The forensic analyses have not been previously reported. Two prominent experts in such linguistic detective work who reviewed the findings for The Times called the conclusions credible and persuasive.

In a telephone interview from his home near Johannesburg, Mr. Furber, 55, did not dispute that Q’s writing resembled his own. Instead, he claimed that Q’s posts had influenced him so deeply that they altered his prose.

Q’s messages “took over our lives, literally,” Mr. Furber said. “We all started talking like him.”

Linguistic experts said that was implausible, and the scientists who conducted the studies noted that their analyses included tweets by Mr. Furber from the first days Q emerged.

Mr. Watkins, in a telephone interview, said, “I am not Q.”

But he also praised the posts. “There is probably more good stuff than bad,” he said, listing as examples “fighting for the safety of the country, and for the safety of the children of the country.” His campaign signs in the Republican primary refer to the online name he uses in QAnon circles, CodeMonkeyZ, and he acknowledged that much of the initial support for his campaign came from the movement. Relying mainly on small donors, Mr. Watkins, 34, trails the primary’s front-runners in fund-raising. (Two other Republicans who have expressed support for QAnon were elected in 2020 — Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia and Representative Lauren Boebert of Colorado.)

Did one or both escape the country and was let out?

WHERE IS BO?

WHERE WAS BO YESTERDAY?

What is the difference between commercial and private re: security clearance for departure?

4chan pol

Paul Furber @paul_furber · Mar 15, 2019
Questions the media should be asking:

- What is Tarrant's real background?

- Why did he travel to both NK and Pakistan recently?

- How did he get hold of so many restricted weapons?

- Why does his "manifesto" not ring true for a real 8chan denizen?

67 Nov 03, 2017 5:33:30 PM EDT

Anonymous ID: GVUvg1M7 No. 147816901

Where is John PODESTA?

Where is Tony PODESTA?

Did one or both escape the country and was let out?

WHERE IS BO?

WHERE WAS BO YESTERDAY?

What is the difference between commercial and private re: security clearance for departure?

4chan pol

Paul Furber @paul_furber · Mar 15, 2019
Questions the media should be asking:

- What is Tarrant's real background?

- Why did he travel to both NK and Pakistan recently?

- How did he get hold of so many restricted weapons?

- Why does his "manifesto" not ring true for a real 8chan denizen?

Mar 03, 2019, 6:17:55 PM EST

Q ID: 4c2e92 No. 5488382

Reading the comments on these Tweets further demonstrates the seriousness of media brainwashing in our Country whereby statements are considered fact w/o the need to provide proof.

Control of the Narrative.

If enough people state the same thing w/o providing evidence and/or support does it become FACTUAL to those caught in the loop?

NATIONAL CRISIS.
We all know that @Mike_Pence has the complete authority to SAVE THE REPUBLIC on January 6.

If he takes decisive action as a LEADER on January 6, then VP Pence will surely be the 2024 Presidential front runner and will have HUGE SUPPORT to KAG in 2024!!

Computer scientists use machine learning to compare subtle patterns in texts that a casual reader could not detect. QAnon believers attribute this 2017 message to an anonymous military insider known as Q.

Paul Furber wrote this tweet after a mass shooting in New Zealand. Scientists who studied the Q posts say Mr. Furber played a leading role in writing the earliest, formative messages.

The scientists say that in 2018 a collaborator took control of the writing as Q: Ron Watkins. This message from Q appeared in 2019, and Mr. Watkins wrote this tweet shortly after the 2020 election.

The two analyses — one by Claude-Alain Roten and Lionel Pousaz of OrphAnalytics, a Swiss start-up; the other by the French computational linguists Florian Cafiero and Jean-Baptiste Camps — built on long-established forms of forensic linguistics that can detect telltale variations, revealing the same hand in two texts. In writing the Federalist Papers, for example, James Madison favored “whilst” over “while,” and Alexander Hamilton tended to write “upon” instead of “on.”

Instead of relying on expert opinion, the computer scientists used a mathematical approach known as stylometry. Practitioners say they have replaced the art of the older studies with a new form of science, yielding results that are measurable, consistent and replicable.

Sophisticated software broke down the Q texts into patterns of three-character sequences and tracked the recurrence of each possible combination.

Their technique does not highlight memorable, idiosyncratic word choices the way that earlier forensic linguists often did. But the advocates of stylometry note that they can quantify their software’s error rate.

The Swiss team said its accuracy rate was about 93 percent. The French team said its software correctly identified Mr. Watkins’s writing in 99 percent of tests and Mr. Furber’s in 98 percent.

Machine learning revealed that J.K. Rowling, the creator of Harry Potter, had written the 2013 mystery “Cuckoo’s Calling” under another pen name. The F.B.I. used a form of stylometry to show that Ted Kaczynski was the Unabomber. In recent years, such techniques have helped detectives in the United States and Britain solve murder cases involving a forged suicide note and faked text messages.

The teams studying Q got in touch with each other after the Swiss scientists released an earlier, preliminary study showing that the writing had changed over time. Each team applied different techniques. The Swiss scientists used software to measure similarities in the three-character patterns across multiple texts while comparing the complexity of vocabulary and syntax. The French team used a form of artificial intelligence that learns the patterns of an author’s writing in roughly the same way that facial-recognition software learns human features.

The teams shared text samples, including more than 100,000 words by Q and at least 12,000 words by each of the 13 other writers they analyzed.

Gerald McMenamin of the University of Nevada, Reno, a renowned forensic linguist critical of the machine-learning techniques, said he doubted that software could pick out the telltale individual variations from the quirks of the distinctive voice assumed in the Q messages — full of short sentences, cryptic statements, military jargon and Socratic questions.
Q’s messages “took over our lives, literally,” Paul Furber said. “We all started talking like him.”
To counter the danger that texts spanning different forms or genres might confuse the software, the scientists said, they compared other writing samples that were all of the same type: social media posts, primarily tweets. And the writings by Mr. Furber and Mr. Watkins stood out over all the others in similarity to Q’s.

David Hoover, an English professor at New York University and an expert in author identification, said the scientists seemed to effectively address the potential problem of Q’s distinctive voice. He found the work “quite persuasive,” he said.

“I’d buy it,” said Patrick Juola of Duquesne University, a mathematician who identified Ms. Rowling as the author of “Cuckoo’s Calling.”

“What’s really powerful is the fact that both of the two independent analyses showed the same overall pattern,” Dr. Juola added.

Neither team ruled out the possibility that other writers had contributed to Q’s thousands of messages, especially during what appears to have been a period of collaboration between Mr. Furber and Mr. Watkins around late 2017.

But the scientists relied on other facts to narrow the list of feasible writers to test. That evidence, the scientists said, increased their confidence that they had unmasked the main authors.

Some QAnon followers had begun to suspect as early as mid-2018 that one or more of the commentators who first claimed to stumble onto the Q messages had actually written them. Without prior knowledge, how could anyone have plucked those almost nonsensical postings out of the online torrent? An NBC news report that summer identified Q’s earliest boosters as Mr. Furber (known online as Baruch the Scribe) and three others. The report emphasized that the three others had possible financial motives for stoking the craze because they had solicited donations for Q “research.” (Mr. Furber did not.)

The Swiss team studied writings by those four, as well as by Mr. Watkins and his father, who owns the message board.

In addition to examining those six potential authors, the French scientists added seven more to the mix. They tested tweets by another online Q booster close to the Watkinses as well as by Mr. Trump, his wife, Melania, his son Eric, and three others close to the former president who had publicly encouraged QAnon: Michael T. Flynn, his onetime national security adviser; the political consultant Roger Stone; and Dan Scavino, a Trump White House deputy chief of staff.

“At first most of the text is by Furber,” said Mr. Cafiero, who works at the French National Center for Scientific Research. “But the signature of Ron Watkins increased during the first few months as Paul Furber decreased and then dropped completely.”

Mr. Furber said in an interview that he had inherited his passion for American politics from his parents, who had taught in Canada and traveled around the United States. He visited often while building a career in software development and writing for trade publications.

His fascination with conspiracy theories, he said, began with questions about President John F. Kennedy’s assassination. Then, around 1996, he found a site spinning alternative stories about the suicide of Vincent Foster, the Clinton White House counsel, and other deaths falsely said to be linked to the Clintons. “That sort of kicked off my interest,” he said.

The early Q messages, which the scientists say resemble Mr. Furber’s writing, lay out the core QAnon myths and slogans that later messages repeat. That was also when Mr. Furber and a few other early promoters helped attract the interest of entrepreneurial YouTube creators who amplified the messages.

But at the start of 2018, both studies found, the writing changed conspicuously. Where the 2017 posts were filled with Socratic questions, the later posts were more declarative and expository, with heavy use of exclamation points and words written in all capital letters. Sometimes, Q shared internet memes.

The Q messages had recently jumped from an older message board to the one run by Ron Watkins and owned by his father, Jim — the site known then as 8chan and now as 8kun. Jim Watkins, a former U.S. Army helicopter repairman who had settled in the Philippines, also owned pig and honey farms and dabbled in the online pornography business. Around the 2016 election, he had created a conspiracy-minded pro-Trump website, with his son overseeing the technical side.

The evident change in writing style at the start of 2018 coincided with an unusual exchange between the Q account and Ron Watkins. After a period of confusion, whoever was writing as Q publicly asked Mr. Watkins to confirm that the messages were still coming from the original Q. Mr. Watkins immediately did, and then Q declared all future posts would appear exclusively on Mr. Watkins’s platform.

Mr. Furber began complaining that Q had been “hijacked” and that Mr. Watkins was complicit.

From then on, the scientists said, the messages very closely matched the writing of Ron Watkins alone. “When QAnon started to be successful, one of them took control,” said Mr. Roten of OrphAnalytics.

In a podcast interview in 2020, Fredrick Brennan, who started the message board that the Watkinses now own, asserted without proof that Q was the invention of Mr. Furber. An HBO documentary released last year, “Q: Into the Storm,” built a case that Ron Watkins was behind the messages, and in it Mr. Watkins briefly seemed to admit that he had written as Q. He then smiled, laughed and resumed his denials.

Q has now gone silent, without posting a message since December 2020.

Mr. Furber, in an interview, said he believed that QAnon was “an operation that has run its course.” He said he was still convinced that it was orchestrated by a true insider “to awaken people to this massive secret war against the cabal,” and that “the next phase is coming.”

In an online memoir he posted about the QAnon movement, he writes wistfully about the early days before “the hijacking.” Q’s messages, he says, seemed to validate conspiracy theories he had subscribed to for years — tying the Clintons and George Soros to the Rothschilds and the Illuminati.

“Like a child being taken around his father’s workshop for the first time,” Mr. Furber writes, “we were being given a behind-the-scenes look into the ugly and corrupt world of geopolitics.”

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I find the media's amplification of Q fascinating.  It's a dangerous debunked Trump conspiracy theory, but they sure are quick to highlight it every time it makes a peep. 
Reminds me of all the other cultural, wokeisms etc the right pushes -- I'd be willing to bet there's a heck of a lot more Q followers than folks who refuse to say pregnant woman over menstruating human or whatever ---

 
Reminds me of all the other cultural, wokeisms etc the right pushes -- I'd be willing to bet there's a heck of a lot more Q followers than folks who refuse to say pregnant woman over menstruating human or whatever ---
I think you grossly underestimate the amount of people who refuse to say menstruating person. I think the proper term is now "womb carrier".

 
I find the media's amplification of Q fascinating.  It's a dangerous debunked Trump conspiracy theory, but they sure are quick to highlight it every time it makes a peep. 
I can't speak to "media's amplification" but whether we like it or not, we have representatives in Congress that buy into this stuff.  I can see why it's covered.  It's clearly not "debunked" in their minds :shrug:  

 
I can't speak to "media's amplification" but whether we like it or not, we have representatives in Congress that buy into this stuff.  I can see why it's covered.  It's clearly not "debunked" in their minds :shrug:  
Maybe. I have a strong suspicion that some of those Reps don't actually buy it at all. They just pretend they believe it, as a tool to get votes. It works in their districts. Pols are gonna pol. I'm not saying these Reps are just a symptom and bear no  personal responsibility, but the bigger problem is the people in those districts - both the ones who actually believe such nonsense and the ones who know it's crap but let it fester in their communities anyway, let their friends/family fall into it, etc.

 
"He started to believe that some world leaders were in fact alien lizard-people in disguise..."

Look I can kind of see where some conspiracy theories have at least some kind of plausibility but can any of the Q-Anon folks here explain where in the hell this alien lizard-people thing came from?
 
"He started to believe that some world leaders were in fact alien lizard-people in disguise..."

Look I can kind of see where some conspiracy theories have at least some kind of plausibility but can any of the Q-Anon folks here explain where in the hell this alien lizard-people thing came from?
Seriously. I can get behind a good JFK murder conspiracy, or the fake moon landing, but lizard people running pedophilia rings in a non existent basement of a pizza shop?
 
Tentacles of this "Q" stuff are far reaching. Whoever is making these videos have to be making millions. Apparently, Queen of England was murdered because she was part of a global underground pedophile ring.
 
"He started to believe that some world leaders were in fact alien lizard-people in disguise..."

Look I can kind of see where some conspiracy theories have at least some kind of plausibility but can any of the Q-Anon folks here explain where in the hell this alien lizard-people thing came from?
Alex Jones?
 
"He started to believe that some world leaders were in fact alien lizard-people in disguise..."

Look I can kind of see where some conspiracy theories have at least some kind of plausibility but can any of the Q-Anon folks here explain where in the hell this alien lizard-people thing came from?

They stole it from this movie and just changed the way the aliens looked.
 
Tentacles of this "Q" stuff are far reaching. Whoever is making these videos have to be making millions. Apparently, Queen of England was murdered because she was part of a global underground pedophile ring.
Guess who aint doing any active pedophilia... a 96 year old lady that has hundreds of gossip journos covering her every move.
 
"He started to believe that some world leaders were in fact alien lizard-people in disguise..."

Look I can kind of see where some conspiracy theories have at least some kind of plausibility but can any of the Q-Anon folks here explain where in the hell this alien lizard-people thing came from?
Alex Jones?

No, David Icke. It basically has to do with the Illuminati being sort of 4th dimensional demons that feed on energy. It goes back to sumerian times and civilization origin stories. Aliens or w/e bred w some humans giving them the right to rule. This is why royals were/are so obsessed with keeping their bloodline pure (so they're not literal lizards, but become possessed by reptilian demons).

I got pretty into all that crap way back but was way out of it by the time Pizzagate came along.
 
"He started to believe that some world leaders were in fact alien lizard-people in disguise..."

Look I can kind of see where some conspiracy theories have at least some kind of plausibility but can any of the Q-Anon folks here explain where in the hell this alien lizard-people thing came from?

They stole it from this movie and just changed the way the aliens looked.
Or this one.

 
"He started to believe that some world leaders were in fact alien lizard-people in disguise..."

Look I can kind of see where some conspiracy theories have at least some kind of plausibility but can any of the Q-Anon folks here explain where in the hell this alien lizard-people thing came from?

They stole it from this movie and just changed the way the aliens looked.
Or this one.

classic
 
I normally wouldn't click on this but the headline sucked me in.

In Ohio, Trump mocks Senate candidate J.D. Vance as he rallies for him

"Like most Trump rallies, Saturday’s gathering also featured appearances by a variety of Trump world celebrities. Vincent Fusca — the QAnon figure who many Q followers believe is John F. Kennedy Jr., was in attendance"

:(
Also from that article:

“J.D. is kissing my ***. Of course he wants my support,” Trump told the crowd.

“The entire MAGA movement is for J.D. Vance,” he added.

:lmao:
 
One of the quirks of the new board is that it takes you to the first page of any previously unread thread.

I plowed through the first dozen or so pages. Was it ever discovered who the poster Qanon was? Did he leave voluntarily or did he "have a good season"?
 
One of the quirks of the new board is that it takes you to the first page of any previously unread thread.

I plowed through the first dozen or so pages. Was it ever discovered who the poster Qanon was? Did he leave voluntarily or did he "have a good season"?
I was under the impression that he was swept up in the wave of suspensions that were doled out in the fall of 2020 (I know all about it as I was given 6+ months for "crossing a line" that Jon can't even see in his rear view mirror anymore, but I digress). Not sure if he was permed or just never came back.
 
I was under the impression that he was swept up in the wave of suspensions that were doled out in the fall of 2020 (I know all about it as I was given 6+ months for "crossing a line" that Jon can't even see in his rear view mirror anymore, but I digress). Not sure if he was permed or just never came back.
Wow. Now I feel like I got off easy with "only" 2.5 months for something that is quite timid by 2022 standards.

:suds:
 

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