You ever read the comments from her tweets? There are lots of people who think she is the greatest thing ever. HTH.
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The Commish
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Mile High
Footballguy
No matter how many millions think she is the greatest if less then 30k decides she isn't the greatest for them anymore she is just a 1 and done Congress member.
timschochet
Footballguy
She is certainly well regarded by the progressive wing. More significantly, I’ve noticed that my daughter (in college) and her friends mention AOC in positive tones more than they do any other politician, with the possible exception of Bernie Sanders.
But the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, whole awfully loud, is about 20-25% of the whole. This next year will bear that fact out.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is an even more odd than people fretting over some idealistic
freshman congresswoman while ignoring the idiots in control this very second. There's zero issue if people decided they wanted to bag on both, but there's clearly a priority issue here and your explanation doesn't help that.
Skoo
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure you're one of them.
You might not agree with her politics, but you clearly love having her as a punching bag. Hence your 9,000 posts in this thread.
The Commish
Footballguy
THIS is the sort of perspective necessary here, but instead we have guys like jon_mx taking cues from the echo chamber (using movies and twitter followers blah blah blah) that he supposedly thinks is completely off the rails to guide his narrative.....can't really make this sort of contortionary (I might have just made up a word) feat up.
timschochet
Footballguy
Of course they’re going to ignore the “idiots in control”; they’re getting what they want from them. Tax cut, tough on immigration, and look at all the judges!This is an even more odd than people fretting over some idealistic
I wish they would repeal his tax cuts and allow more immigrants in. Trump is a lame duck IMHO.
Whom am I supposedly echoing? There is not a single right-wing spot i go to to even echo from.THIS is the sort of perspective necessary here, but instead we have guys like jon_mx taking cues from the echo chamber (using movies and twitter followers blah blah blah) that he supposedly thinks is completely off the rails to guide his narrative.....can't really make this sort of contortionary (I might have just made up a word) feat up.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
There's an awful lot of people interested in defending someone who's just an unimportant freshman congress woman. Odd they would spend so much time in this thread protecting someone that is meaningless.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Because she's in Congress, this is a political forum, she's outspoken, and she's an easy target? Just like anyone in Congress that says stupid things ends up being talked about here?
timschochet
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The last page of this thread is pretty much a summation of this thread.
A couple posts criticizing her followed with tons of posts defending her or deflecting from conversation about her to other things and off we go.
Then somebody will make a comment about post count or number of pages and use this as evidence that people are obsessed with her.
A couple posts criticizing her followed with tons of posts defending her or deflecting from conversation about her to other things and off we go.
Then somebody will make a comment about post count or number of pages and use this as evidence that people are obsessed with her.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Do you think people in her district have prepared and eaten more yucca or cauliflower?
The Commish
Footballguy
Actually agree with this too...bizarre from both the attack and defense positions here.
The Commish
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
So if this is the case there sure are a ton of posters here who think Trump is the greatest thing ever, right?
Skoo
Footballguy
Fair point, however my argument would be that what the leader of the free world says and does is about a million times more consequential than a freshman congresswoman.
Mile High
Footballguy
Exactly. She isn't even really popular.
A poll released Thursday shows freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is facing negative reviews from voters.
The Quinnipiac University survey, which also included multiple questions about various issues and figures in the Democratic Party, shows 36 percent of respondents gave Ocasio-Cortez an unfavorable rating while 23 gave her a favorable one. Thirty-eight percent said they didn't know enough about her.
Thirty-six percent of respondents said Ocasio-Cortez is a bad influence on the party while 33 percent of voters said she was a good influence.
The only age group in which she registered positive favorability numbers was among likely voters aged 18-34. Among millennials, she received a 35 percent favorable rating compared to to 23 percent unfavorable.
"All is definitely not A-OK for AOC. Most voters either don't like the firebrand freshman Congresswoman or don't know who she is," Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a statement after the poll was released.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-poll-shows-aoc-in-trouble%3f_amp=true
sho nuff
Footballguy
But he his running foreign policy . He has more power than AOC and is doing more damage.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Is there anybody in this thread who seriously questions whether the President of the United States has more power than a single member of congress?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Cauliflower and I don’t think they grow in the same climates. I think her random top of the head example wasn’t a great example but I agree with her sentiment. Also yucca isn’t just for eating, it’s more often just decorative. I don’t know the exact demographic of the green space she’s referring to.
SaintsInDome2006
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I do kind of think Trump is an exemplar of what can go wrong. I'm leaving Trump as a president and who he is out of this specific point. Some Dems were pretty pleased with Trump's ascendancy because he was such an unlikable person, so they were happy to put him out as the face of the Republican party. But promotion is promotion and he ultimately thrived in that glare. The GOP should also be careful promoting someone who is basically just a frosh from a deep blue district who typically wouldn't have much influence or power.
Cauliflower seems to be a favorite of gluton-free vegan types often used as a flour subsitute. But it is widely available and is probably a food that is eaten quite often by all groups.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I personally think the current ideology being stated by the President is quite radical, like in a Leninist sense.
If you look at the Bloomberg piece the worst or most controversial thing Cortez is says is that capitalism is irredeemable. Ok, then she says some other stuff like corporations control our government. I could point to Churchill who said that democracy is completely unworkable but it's the best system we've got. Or similar statements over the last years about the failings of capitalism. The mark of a socialist or communist is the method to resolve that.
Now, take Trump. Trump - right now - is proposing that the executive branch is not answerable to Congress. He just declared a national emergency because he claims he is not beholden to the appropriations clause of the Constitution. This is a man who daily puts the full weight of the presidency towards negating Congressional power and attacking the free press. Personally the only thing I can think that compares is what Chavez did in Venezuela. If anyone wants to battle me on that, fine, I'm not being hyperbolic. The essence of Maduro's argument right now is that the executive branch in VZ is a separate power base not beholden to the Assembly or the constitutionally appointed courts.
I really don't know what is Cortez's end theory for resolving these well known negative effects of capitalism, but I don't get the sense it is anything nearly as radical as that.
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She was very influentual in the Amazon fiasco. She is setting the agenda for the presidential election. She spews out a lot of divisive rheotic which gets tons of coverage. She is constantly putting out outrageous statements, it is hardly nitpicking.
The Commish
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think there are certainly things worth defending that people seem extra sensitive over. Her tweeting not so much and plenty of her ideas deserve criticism and her shoot from the hip mentality.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Trump is a loony, but he is still bound by all the rules. Trump will lose in court like he usually does. Our Democracy is safe. Trump is no Chavez.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
because it is silly, like many of her statements which she methodically puts out daily to stay in the news.
sho nuff
Footballguy
First 2 links...you see that first name listed there. That should be your hint that she isn’t.
The third is a laughable opinion piece that doesn’t talk about her setting it even shaping the agenda...just that two progressives may seek her followers.
Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did not appear onstage together Monday night when they took their turns at the mic roughly 45 minutes apart during the rally for the Green New Deal, nor did either mention the other by name. But merely being present in the same auditorium at roughly the same time was enough to spark chatter. Sanders, according to the original headline of a Politico article published right before he delivered his speech, is in “hot pursuit” of AOC’s endorsement. So too, according to the report, is Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Because why criticize a guy ignoring congress starting trade wars that hurt our farmers and citizens...and is trying to start a war with Iran when you can just quickly say he is loony and then nitpick AOC over and over and over again
....she is in the headlines with two of the top three Democratic candidates signing up to her plans looking for her endorsement. You are impossible.
sho nuff
Footballguy
According to the headline of an article wants and endorsement. Yet you skip over where he didn’t appear with her or even mention her name.
That part wasn’t important but a headline elsewhere was the key?
sho nuff
Footballguy
In the headlines does not equal setting an agenda for an election Jon...that is a ridiculous stretch. Neither is going for an endorsement. Just completely illogical.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Sorry, redo, I didn't mean to be critical. Deleted my post.
I don't think how we treat public officials should be based on their chances of success in going about wrecking our system which they explicitly state they are going to try to do. - If Cortez said, 'capitalism is irredeemable, therefore we need to begin seizing property to balance inequities' would it make sense to tolerate her simply because the courts would never permit it? Hell no.
Trump has also had mixed results, this book isn't finished being written yet.
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parasaurolophus
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Because she referred to growing cauliflower instead of yucca as an example of colonialism. If she was from AZ you could maybe try to find a way to give her a pass on such a statement.Ilov80s said:
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Like many who go into politics she is a creature that feeds not on food, but on attention. She has a fast metabolism and needs lots of attention or she will starve. Now is she the biggest feeder at the attention buffet, not hardly. She does, however, have an impressive appetite for such a petite young thing.timschochet said:
maybe she is in a growth spurt and needs extra nourishment.
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Ilov80s
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
She was referring to the overarching idea and not a specific garden in Brooklyn. I think this is zero in noteworthiness but it made some great headlines like “Cauliflower is racist.” If what she says is dumb, it is almost always followed be equally as dumb reactions.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The overreaching idea is nothing but more rhetoric designed to push how minorities are oppressed in every way.
It is stupid to bring up. You cant call a place a food desert but then also say that the reason the community garden didnt work is because you had colonialist food. I would bet the number of food items in a gas station convenience store that arent "colonial" is pretty small.
It is especially ridiculous to even use cauliflower as an example.
According to Christine Couvelier, a culinary trendologist (yes, that's the job title, not a word I made up, although somebody surely did) at Metro News, this cruciferous veggie will outdo even kale as a favored recipe and menu ingredient in 2014.
In Mexico, cauliflower has been a market staple for as long as I can remember — since 1987. No hype required, just lovely heads of white florets standing out among the greens in the mercado. When I first started shopping at the Cholula market all those years ago, coliflor was one of the vegetables that were comfortingly familiar, well before even broccoli started showing up on a regular basis.
In fact due to the year round expectation these days of fruits and vegetables there arent very many things that arent regularly grown south of the border. Just look at the produce section labels next time you are at the gas station.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah I know it was a bad example. We’ve covered that. This is really unimportant in the big picture of the world politics right now imo.
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