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8 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

 

To get a table at the Met Gala it costs anywhere from $200,00 to $275,000 and an individual ticket costs $30,000. If @AOC hates the rich so much, why is she attending an event that only the wealthiest, richest people in America can afford to attend?

AOC makes 175K a year.  Can she afford to spend 30K on a ticket to hobnob with the rich?

Designers pay for the table and get celebrities to sit there and wear their clothing.

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Not saying our politicians should live in cardboard boxes. Not even saying they shouldn't be "well off" (its a tough/stressful/important job). But the Met Gala is basically the pinnacle of America's wealthy shoving what they have and how great their lives are in everyone else's faces. Its the very embodiment of completely unnecessary excess and the self-love of the elite.

So yeah.....someone who preaches AOC's message looks like a total hypocrite attending it.  Take the money that was spent to buy your ticket (even if you're not the one that actually wrote the check)  and get you glam'd up and put it to better use.

There's obviously some benefit for someone like AOC having access and contact with "The rich" as it could theoretically help get our society to a better place.  (even though I'm certainly not a socialist, I recognize that the wealth gap in this country is a problem). But that could just as easily (and more effectively) be done in a board room or any one of a million less extravagant events. It doesn't need to be done while everyone is wearing dresses that cost more than my car and sucking down champagne and caviar at the Met gala. 

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49 minutes ago, dozer said:

Designers pay for the table and get celebrities to sit there and wear their clothing.

 

Congress people that work for a district are now celebrities? 

How many other congress were there?  Serious question as I don`t know.

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1 hour ago, BladeRunner said:

 

See, the problem with Socialists/Marxists/Communists is once they start getting in the limelight they LOVE the perks, power, benefits and riches that come with it.  Oh, they're all for messaging when they haven't made it yet, but once they get there they become EXACTLY what they railed against before they became part of the upper echelon.

Throughout history, It's the same story in every country these fools, cretins and grifters have ever existed in.  From Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China and on it's all the same:  Once they get to the top their message is now "Rules for thee, but not for me". 

Put it this way - AOC ain't giving up her perks, benefits, riches and limelight anymore now that she's "made it".  Just like Bernie Sanders isn't.  And Elizabeth Warren isn't.  And Rashida Talib isn't.  And Ilhan Omar isn't.  But you, MOST CERTAINLY, are going to give up yours.  They'll make sure of that.  And you don't even have to be "the rich".  They're going to get yours and as much of it as possible.  Again, same story through time immemorial.

Power corrupts.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely. 

S/M/C never practice what they preach.  Ever.

 

Bad optics for sure.

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9 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

 

Bad optics for sure.

 

It points directly to character and integrity.  Socialists have none. 

They'll convince the lemmings that they need to attend all of these galas and celebrity events to fight for them!!  And the lemmings will believe it.

But make no mistake they're not doing it for the people - they're doing it for themselves to further their own profile, riches and grift.

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2 hours ago, Summer Wheat said:

AOC makes 175K a year. 

 

AOC could have served only one term in Congress and retired.  ( I want to be fair and say her situation in very unique in the size of her platform and it's exponential growth in such a short amount of time)

"Zombie campaigning" means she would just need to go through the public motions of running for office again somewhere and she essentially gets to keep her campaign warchest. She generates small level donations in volume and if she simply stopped buying so much social media adspace, her warchest would grow exponentially if she timed her "retirement"

She would still also have some limited access to using "Leadership PACs" as a circular means to funnel money with other politicians loyal to her. She could spin money with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders pretty much forever.

The idea that AOC is "still working" is not the truth. She already has access to what amounts to generational level wealth at the age of 31. She currently has NOTHING in common with the average working class American.

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1 hour ago, Summer Wheat said:

 

Congress people that work for a district are now celebrities? 

How many other congress were there?  Serious question as I don`t know.

People know her by only her initials, so yeah, she’s a celebrity.

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2 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

 

See, the problem with Socialists/Marxists/Communists is once they start getting in the limelight they LOVE the perks, power, benefits and riches that come with it.  Oh, they're all for messaging when they haven't made it yet, but once they get there they become EXACTLY what they railed against before they became part of the upper echelon.

Throughout history, It's the same story in every country these fools, cretins and grifters have ever existed in.  From Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China and on it's all the same:  Once they get to the top their message is now "Rules for thee, but not for me". 

Put it this way - AOC ain't giving up her perks, benefits, riches and limelight anymore now that she's "made it".  Just like Bernie Sanders isn't.  And Elizabeth Warren isn't.  And Rashida Talib isn't.  And Ilhan Omar isn't.  But you, MOST CERTAINLY, are going to give up yours.  They'll make sure of that.  And you don't even have to be "the rich".  They're going to get yours and as much of it as possible.  Again, same story through time immemorial.

Power corrupts.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely. 

S/M/C never practice what they preach.  Ever.

Where do you get this stuff?!? Calling AOC and Bernie cretins?  :lmao:

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6 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

 

See, the problem with Socialists/Marxists/Communists is once they start getting in the limelight they LOVE the perks, power, benefits and riches that come with it.  Oh, they're all for messaging when they haven't made it yet, but once they get there they become EXACTLY what they railed against before they became part of the upper echelon.

Throughout history, It's the same story in every country these fools, cretins and grifters have ever existed in.  From Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China and on it's all the same:  Once they get to the top their message is now "Rules for thee, but not for me". 

Put it this way - AOC ain't giving up her perks, benefits, riches and limelight anymore now that she's "made it".  Just like Bernie Sanders isn't.  And Elizabeth Warren isn't.  And Rashida Talib isn't.  And Ilhan Omar isn't.  But you, MOST CERTAINLY, are going to give up yours.  They'll make sure of that.  And you don't even have to be "the rich".  They're going to get yours and as much of it as possible.  Again, same story through time immemorial.

Power corrupts.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely. 

S/M/C never practice what they preach.  Ever.

Very convenient of you to conflate Democratic Socialism with Socialism/Marxism/Communism so you ignore contries like Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, Finland,  Norway, Ireland, Croatia, Moldova, Luxembourg, Iceland, Greenland, etc

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3 minutes ago, Navin Johnson said:

Very convenient of you to conflate Democratic Socialism with Socialism/Marxism/Communism so you ignore contries like Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, Finland,  Norway, Ireland, Croatia, Moldova, Luxembourg, Iceland, Greenland, etc

This is a highly uneducated  post.  Are u a recent grad?    Those are generally  market (capitalism) economies.

Democratic socialism is socialism-marxism.

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LOL at the posts in here.  Is there a paint brush large enough in the world to handle all these broad strokes?

She wore a dress that said "Tax the Rich" in big red splash.  In a room full of rich people.  Maybe, and hear me out here, she is using this invite (none of the invitees pay a nickel to go) to make a statement that is actually an uncomfortable one given the forum she is in.

And, suggesting that there is any actual appetite anywhere other than the extreme fringe of the wacko left to implement "social marxism" is pure nonsense.  

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

LOL at the posts in here.  Is there a paint brush large enough in the world to handle all these broad strokes?

She wore a dress that said "Tax the Rich" in big red splash.  In a room full of rich people.  Maybe, and hear me out here, she is using this invite (none of the invitees pay a nickel to go) to make a statement that is actually an uncomfortable one given the forum she is in.

And, suggesting that there is any actual appetite anywhere other than the extreme fringe of the wacko left to implement "social marxism" is pure nonsense.  

 

I rest my case.  Thanks for proving my point.

We have a saying in our country:  If you're going to talk the talk then you also better walk the walk.

 

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2 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

 

I rest my case.  Thanks for proving my point.

We have a saying in our country:  If you're going to talk the talk then you also better walk the walk.

 

Respectfully, your point is not persuasive and lacks even the smallest bit of nuance.

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Respectfully, your point is nonsense.

 

Nonsense?  :lol:

Let me rephrase so you Canadians can understand it better: You might also know THE POINT in your country as "Practice what you preach".

So, in your own words, "Practice What you Preach" is nonsense, eh?

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Nonsense?  :lol:

Let me rephrase so you Canadians can understand it better: You might also know THE POINT in your country as "Practice what you preach".

So, in your own words, "Practice What you Preach" is nonsense, eh?

Your application of it to these circumstances is nonsense.  You don't need to be poor to fight for the poor.  The world is a lot more nuanced than you seem to think it is.

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1 hour ago, Navin Johnson said:

Very convenient of you to conflate Democratic Socialism with Socialism/Marxism/Communism so you ignore contries like Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, Finland,  Norway, Ireland, Croatia, Moldova, Luxembourg, Iceland, Greenland, etc

It's not convenient.  It's uninformed.  Only we've been informed many times and continues to cling to the narrative so we need another word here....

It's very similar to "Jan 6 and BLM protests are exactly the same, but Jan 6 was peaceful and BLM protests weren't".  It's another example of when bad, ill thought out talking points collide.

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Your application of it to these circumstances is nonsense.  You don't need to be poor to fight for the poor.  The world is a lot more nuanced than you seem to think it is.

 

Uhm....Yeah, I know. 

However, you seem to think she's got your best interests in her heart.  It's a little more nuanced than that.  I mean, all you have to do is open your eyes. 

She is not fighting for you, me, the poor or anyone else but herself.

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3 minutes ago, The Commish said:

It's not convenient.  It's uninformed.  Only we've been informed many times and continues to cling to the narrative so we need another word here....

It's very similar to "Jan 6 and BLM protests are exactly the same, but Jan 6 was peaceful and BLM protests weren't".  It's another example of when bad, ill thought out talking points collide.

 

Deflection at it's finest. 

You could have just said "My way is the only way and the right way".  :shrug:

I can only lead you to the truth, I can't make you guys believe it.

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49 minutes ago, zoonation said:

LOL at the posts in here.  Is there a paint brush large enough in the world to handle all these broad strokes?

She wore a dress that said "Tax the Rich" in big red splash.  In a room full of rich people.  Maybe, and hear me out here, she is using this invite (none of the invitees pay a nickel to go) to make a statement that is actually an uncomfortable one given the forum she is in.

And, suggesting that there is any actual appetite anywhere other than the extreme fringe of the wacko left to implement "social marxism" is pure nonsense.  

She is wealthy.     She might not have monetized it yet.   But you don't sell your stock on the way up.     

Very tribal pro blue post.

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22 minutes ago, quick-hands said:

She is wealthy.     She might not have monetized it yet.   But you don't sell your stock on the way up.     

Very tribal pro blue post.

 

Listen, Socialists/Communists/Marxists throughout history have conned their way to the top because people keep making excuses for them, even in the face of their clearly hypocritical behavior.  This was to the detriment of 100+ million people and counting, btw.

You think the celebrity Socialist, getting rich, getting access, getting the limelight and hanging out with the stars is fighting for you?  Really?  All she's doing is increasing her profile and cache and power for MORE profile, cache and power.  This has how it has ALWAYS played out with individuals that push these dangerous ideologies.  All they say is "I'M FIGHTING FOR YOU!!" and the rubes will continue to make excuses despite all evidence to the contrary.

AOC is LOVING her new world.  She doesn't want you, me or anyone else in it.  But we're all going to pay for it one way or another.

Like I've always said, S/M/C don't ever practice what they preach.  They won't be giving up any of what they got - but they'll certainly make sure you give up yours.

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Another note, do you ever notice how SMCs always rail against the people who make just a little bit more than them?

Bernie, Warren and others railed against millionaires until when?   That's right, until they themselves became millionaires.  Now their railing against people who makes hundreds of millions and billions of dollars.

What do you think is going to happen when these SMCs themselves get up to a hundred million dollars or more?  Yep.  You guessed it.  Then trillionaires are going to be the REAL problem.

How long do you think AOC is going to rail against Millionaires now that she's become one (if not, very quickly) and is hobnobbing with them? 

Have you ever known a Socialist in government who doesn't come out rich?  Heck have you ever known ANYONE in Congress who doesn't come out rich?

These politicians aren't fighting for us - they're fighting for themselves.  You think they want to cut that money pie into more pieces if they let you in?  No freaking way.  They'll get theirs and they'll get theirs by taking yours.

Especially SMCs.

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41 minutes ago, quick-hands said:

She is wealthy.     She might not have monetized it yet.   But you don't sell your stock on the way up.     

Very tribal pro blue post.

I think it is hilarious that people think she can’t be wealthy while also being a champion of the poor and middle class.  I mean, the dogmatic thinking displayed in this thread and others is off the charts.  

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1 hour ago, zoonation said:

I think it is hilarious that people think she can’t be wealthy while also being a champion of the poor and middle class.  I mean, the dogmatic thinking displayed in this thread and others is off the charts.  

You continually fail to undetstand even the most basic of posts.  Or you're intentionally misrepresenting to deflect. 

I would suggest you step back and actually read and understand the posts youre responding to before knee-jerking a response of your own.

Making stuff up and arguing against that is what a strawman is. Thats exactly what you're doing here.

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3 hours ago, zoonation said:

LOL at the posts in here.  Is there a paint brush large enough in the world to handle all these broad strokes?

She wore a dress that said "Tax the Rich" in big red splash.  In a room full of rich people.  Maybe, and hear me out here, she is using this invite (none of the invitees pay a nickel to go) to make a statement that is actually an uncomfortable one given the forum she is in.

And, suggesting that there is any actual appetite anywhere other than the extreme fringe of the wacko left to implement "social marxism" is pure nonsense.  

As someone tweeted ...lots of folks (like us) talking about "tax the rich."  So, yeah, she made her point.

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13 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

 

Deflection at it's finest. 

You could have just said "My way is the only way and the right way".  :shrug:

I can only lead you to the truth, I can't make you guys believe it.

yeah, none of that is "mine".  I didn't make any of it up.  It's not opinion.  There is no room for "belief" here.  Perhaps that's the problem?  Words have meaning.  Pointing that out has nothing to do with "my way".  

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51 minutes ago, Rich Conway said:

I suspect AOC truly believes that we have too great a wealth disparity in this country and that we need to tax the wealthy quite a bit more.

I also suspect AOC likes the attention she gets.

I'm not sure why both can't be true.

 

If Cortez were actually a struggling low income woman who somehow got into a Gala with all the wealthy people and wore that dress that would have been a great story.  Of course if that were the case she would have been escorted out very fast.  Should people start wearing "Tax The Rich" to NBA and MLB games now too?

 

"She is simply stunning her in her beautiful Tax the Rich dress," said one entertainment reporter. "What a powerful message for all of us poors.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Sure, people should wear “Tax the Rich” stuff everywhere.

 

My dad always told me "Don`t envy another persons bank account, if you do you will never be happy"  

I make less than 100K a year and probably happier than most of the so called "rich"

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As a newly converted Democrat, this type of thing does bother me. It’s one of the reasons I can’t fully support the party, though a lot of my beliefs align with their goals. 
 

Hypocrisy at its finest, she (and all of them) is becoming rich off the back of my taxes.

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5 minutes ago, pmedina said:

As a newly converted Democrat, this type of thing does bother me. It’s one of the reasons I can’t fully support the party, though a lot of my beliefs align with their goals. 
 

Hypocrisy at its finest, she (and all of them) is becoming rich off the back of my taxes.

I'm confused regarding why this is hypocritical.  Can one not be wealthy and also believe that wealthy people should pay a larger share of the country's tax burden?  Are Warren Buffett and Bill Gates hypocritical when they advocate for higher taxes on the wealthy?

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30 minutes ago, Rich Conway said:

I'm confused regarding why this is hypocritical.  Can one not be wealthy and also believe that wealthy people should pay a larger share of the country's tax burden?  Are Warren Buffett and Bill Gates hypocritical when they advocate for higher taxes on the wealthy?

Probably.  I assume they utilize extensive lawyering/accounting to minimize their tax bills, while advocating for higher taxes on people that can't afford that,

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13 hours ago, zoonation said:

I think it is hilarious that people think she can’t be wealthy while also being a champion of the poor and middle class.  I mean, the dogmatic thinking displayed in this thread and others is off the charts.  

If she's wealthy.   And she cared as much as claims. she would use "her money"     not someone else's.    She would be an example.    Instead she tells others to do what she won't.

Naive.   

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34 minutes ago, Rich Conway said:

I'm confused regarding why this is hypocritical.  Can one not be wealthy and also believe that wealthy people should pay a larger share of the country's tax burden?  Are Warren Buffett and Bill Gates hypocritical when they advocate for higher taxes on the wealthy?

 

If they did it on the way up..no.

After they amassed 1000 times more than they could ever spend.....yes.

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