JerseyToughGuys 3,149 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Lenny!?!?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregR 5,835 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Argh. I just realized Eagle Eye will reveal plants that can be picked, make animals flash so they stand out when they are too far away to see well otherwise, etc. I've only used it for actual tracking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 I need to master shooting behind me while riding Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 30,398 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 So I got to chapter 2 and went to valentine and got all excited to play and.....nothing. Met some guy who wants to write a book so I took that mission but got killed soon after so that went away. Haven’t found anything else to do. Just driving around in circles. Kind of annoying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,717 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Capella said: So I got to chapter 2 and went to valentine and got all excited to play and.....nothing. Met some guy who wants to write a book so I took that mission but got killed soon after so that went away. Haven’t found anything else to do. Just driving around in circles. Kind of annoying. There's lots of stuff to do in Chapter 2 imo, that's where I am now. And I mean besides just going out into the world and screwing around/hunting/etc. I already went on a big hunt with Hosea, brought Uncle and the girls from camp into town and got into some shenanigans, tracked down a bounty for the Sheriff, and I'm about to see what Javier's up to in the Saloon. Also ran into some smaller side quest type stuff on the road with some Strangers. Just talk to your buddies who have the yellow initials over them on the map 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregR 5,835 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Capella said: So I got to chapter 2 and went to valentine and got all excited to play and.....nothing. Met some guy who wants to write a book so I took that mission but got killed soon after so that went away. Haven’t found anything else to do. Just driving around in circles. Kind of annoying. Do the debt missions for Strauss. That will open the path to a lot of improvements you can work on while doing other missions. Just finished upgrading 2 parts of my satchel so I can carry 50% extra jewelry and materials (meat, skins, etc). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 30,398 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: There's lots of stuff to do in Chapter 2 imo, that's where I am now. And I mean besides just going out into the world and screwing around/hunting/etc. I already went on a big hunt with Hosea, brought Uncle and the girls from camp into town and got into some shenanigans, tracked down a bounty for the Sheriff, and I'm about to see what Javier's up to in the Saloon. Also ran into some smaller side quest type stuff on the road with some Strangers. Just talk to your buddies who have the yellow initials over them on the map Yea i guess I just have to figure it out. I was expecting just to run into stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 30,398 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, GregR said: Do the debt missions for Strauss. That will open the path to a lot of improvements you can work on while doing other missions. Just finished upgrading 2 parts of my satchel so I can carry 50% extra jewelry and materials (meat, skins, etc). I’ll look for Strauss. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregR 5,835 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Capella said: I’ll look for Strauss. Thanks. LS, near the medicine wagon. I think you might have to take the girls to town first before his mission is there. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,717 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Ridiculous: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/9s5hw9/this_canoe_has_water_ingress_where_the_bullet/ 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IvanKaramazov 21,961 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 I skipped the NFL completely yesterday and put about 9 consecutive hours into this game instead. I feel like I could write a dissertation on things I dislike about the controls and some of the game mechanics, but this is clearly a top-tier GOTY contender despite some nitpicking. I've started visiting every house I can when I ride toward my next mission -- I've picked up some little tasks and good loot that way. I encountered a KKK cross-burning in the woods, and also uncovered another Deliverance-type gang. The way they did hunting is also excellent, and I'm frequently getting sidetracked by taking breaks to go hunting. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyToughGuys 3,149 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 the horse mechanics are vastly improved and hilarious. T-bones a stage coach last night (during a mission when I had to chase a guy on horseback). The impact was akin to a motorcycle t-boning a van in GTA. i also ran into a low-hanging branch. Funny results there. i think the problem with the radial wheel setup is you are using it a ton more than you did in prior Rockstar games. Consumables, changing out weapons, maintaining the horse, pulling up treasure maps, etc. you are constantly in the menus (which is good imo, aside from the mechanics). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 9 hours ago, Capella said: So I got to chapter 2 and went to valentine and got all excited to play and.....nothing. Met some guy who wants to write a book so I took that mission but got killed soon after so that went away. Haven’t found anything else to do. Just driving around in circles. Kind of annoying. That mission didn't go away unless there was no autosave. Hit left on the DPad it will show you tasks. That should now be in that list. Maybe you haven't explored enough. But I haven't had any issues trying to find missions or stuff happening 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 7 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said: Ridiculous: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/9s5hw9/this_canoe_has_water_ingress_where_the_bullet/ At the comments. I'm CRAFTING SOME FLEX SEAL PARTNER 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Side question - How many enhanced baths do I have to buy before I get touched. I haven't been able to get any action with any whores...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 30,398 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, belljr said: That mission didn't go away unless there was no autosave. Hit left on the DPad it will show you tasks. That should now be in that list. Maybe you haven't explored enough. But I haven't had any issues trying to find missions or stuff happening Ok. I didn’t know the dpad thing. I was looking at the map. Thanks. Btw I totally suck at video games so sorry for asking the noob questions. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Just now, Capella said: Ok. I didn’t know the dpad thing. I was looking at the map. Thanks. Btw I totally suck at video games so sorry for asking the noob questions. Well circles should show up on the map if that things is "active" - so you need to make sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyToughGuys 3,149 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) I have sizable warrants out in Strawberry and Valentine. Going to play it out as long as I can before buying my peace. (as an aside, I had the Strawberry warrant when I was supposed to start a quest. the jailbreak mission there. I walked up to the jail and all hell breaks loose. I die. I respawn and it resets everything. I have no problem talking to the Sherriff to start the mission. Still not sure how all that works.) Edited October 29, 2018 by JerseyToughGuys 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwb 2,448 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 49 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said: I skipped the NFL completely yesterday and put about 9 consecutive hours into this game instead. I feel like I could write a dissertation on things I dislike about the controls and some of the game mechanics, but this is clearly a top-tier GOTY contender despite some nitpicking. I've started visiting every house I can when I ride toward my next mission -- I've picked up some little tasks and good loot that way. I encountered a KKK cross-burning in the woods, and also uncovered another Deliverance-type gang. The way they did hunting is also excellent, and I'm frequently getting sidetracked by taking breaks to go hunting. This is how I feel. The "slow" chapter one is over (although I didn't mind it that much), and I'm having a blast, despite the clunky control. Now I understand the stellar reviews. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 20 minutes ago, JerseyToughGuys said: I have sizable warrants out in Strawberry and Valentine. Going to play it out as long as I can before buying my peace. (as an aside, I had the Strawberry warrant when I was supposed to start a quest. Hide contents the jailbreak mission there. I walked up to the jail and all hell breaks loose. I die. I respawn and it resets everything. I have no problem talking to the Sherriff to start the mission. Still not sure how all that works.) That mission is something 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,717 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) Still in Chapter 2. Won't say exactly where/who unless someone quotes and asks, I can put it in spoilers. But prowling around backyards in Valentine I was able to spy into someone's back window and discover an illegal operation, which I then was able to rob with my bandit mask. I may have gotten lucky but it went off without a hitch--the proprietor of the legit front room operation didn't recognize me, opened the door for me, and after a 4-on-1 shootout in tight quarters I grabbed a pile of cash, a new revolver, and got the hell out before the law saw me (bandit kerchief will work on civilians I think but not law enforcement if you've been in town before). Rode around in a big circle and came trotting back into town dressed in a different outfit to spend my hard-earned blood money on a sexy new saddle, moseyed along to witness the aftermath of my crime/do-goodery (not sure which). Edited October 29, 2018 by ConnSKINS26 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GROOT 1,216 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Should i finish the original game before i begin ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyToughGuys 3,149 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: Still in Chapter 2. Won't say exactly where/who unless someone quotes and asks, I can put it in spoilers. But prowling around backyards in Valentine I was able to spy into someone's back window and discover an illegal operation, which I then was able to rob with my bandit mask. I may have gotten lucky but it went off without a hitch--the proprietor of the legit front room operation didn't recognize me, opened the door for me, and after a 4-on-1 shootout in tight quarters I grabbed a pile of cash, a new revolver, and got the hell out before the law saw me (bandit kerchief will work on civilians I think but not law enforcement if you've been in town before). Rode around in a big circle and came trotting back into town dressed in a different outfit to spend my hard-earned blood money on a sexy new saddle, moseyed along to witness the aftermath of my crime/do-goodery (not sure which). i ALWAYS forget the bandit mask. ETA: does the bolded work? Edited October 29, 2018 by JerseyToughGuys 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregR 5,835 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, GROOT said: Should i finish the original game before i begin ? Don't need to, RDR2 is a prequel. If you don't mind knowing how the first ends, you could just read this so you're familiar with all the characters you might run into. Though you're not any worse off if you don't, you just won't have the nostalgia. On 10/20/2018 at 6:31 PM, Borden said: Red Dead Redemption Story Recap: What You Need To Know Before Playing RDR2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,717 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, JerseyToughGuys said: i ALWAYS forget the bandit mask. I still haven't figured out how well it works except that it doesn't work with law enforcement who know you. Not totally sure about law enforcement in towns where you haven't been, but I assume the response time is a lot slower out in the wilderness and on farmsteads when witnesses get away, which should give plenty of time to get away before any sheriffs who can "see through" the bandit mask arrive and ID you/put a price on your head. And I'm not sure if changing clothes actually helps but I'm doing it anyway since you can keep 3 outfits on your horse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregR 5,835 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, JerseyToughGuys said: 11 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: Still in Chapter 2. Won't say exactly where/who unless someone quotes and asks, I can put it in spoilers. But prowling around backyards in Valentine I was able to spy into someone's back window and discover an illegal operation, which I then was able to rob with my bandit mask. I may have gotten lucky but it went off without a hitch--the proprietor of the legit front room operation didn't recognize me, opened the door for me, and after a 4-on-1 shootout in tight quarters I grabbed a pile of cash, a new revolver, and got the hell out before the law saw me (bandit kerchief will work on civilians I think but not law enforcement if you've been in town before). Rode around in a big circle and came trotting back into town dressed in a different outfit to spend my hard-earned blood money on a sexy new saddle, moseyed along to witness the aftermath of my crime/do-goodery (not sure which). i ALWAYS forget the bandit mask. ETA: does the bolded work? I always forget the mask too. Just remembered it last night while I was killing canoeists to get a boat to go hunt perfect iguana skins. Good question on changing clothes, would like to know if it helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyToughGuys 3,149 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Has anyone found a fishing pole? I assume it's triggered by a mission. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregR 5,835 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, JerseyToughGuys said: Has anyone found a fishing pole? I assume it's triggered by a mission. Murdered someone when I saw they had one and took it. Though I understand there's a mission, yes, but I haven't gotten to it yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, JerseyToughGuys said: Has anyone found a fishing pole? I assume it's triggered by a mission. It is in a mission - then its usable any time after 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, GregR said: I always forget the mask too. Just remembered it last night while I was killing canoeists to get a boat to go hunt perfect iguana skins. Good question on changing clothes, would like to know if it helps. It never dawned on me toi change clothes. I just checked - I've played for 18 hours and still don't know how all of it works It took me 10 hours to realize my hat is with me on my horse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregR 5,835 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 This review hits the nail on the head as far as, great game but some bad decisions on controls and realism by the developers. https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/10/27/red-dead-redemption-day-1-laborious-gameplay-in-a-stunning-world-2/#4a75dafa4851 I really hope they patch the utterly stupid stuff like not letting you run in camp. I doubt I'm ever going to be lying on my death bed and wishing I'd had more of my time taken up walking through camp in video games that wouldn't let me run instead. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregR 5,835 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 minute ago, belljr said: It never dawned on me toi change clothes. I just checked - I've played for 18 hours and still don't know how all of it works It took me 10 hours to realize my hat is with me on my horse Change clothes at your camp and one of the commands will be to save it on your horse. Then it's just one of the Horse Item commands to switch. Really handy to have cold and warm weather outfits among the 3 your horse can carry. Can also customize your outfits and save the collective group. In the camp clothing change thing, you'd go to custom outfits and then bumper to cycle between them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 30,398 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, GregR said: This review hits the nail on the head as far as, great game but some bad decisions on controls and realism by the developers. https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/10/27/red-dead-redemption-day-1-laborious-gameplay-in-a-stunning-world-2/#4a75dafa4851 I really hope they patch the utterly stupid stuff like not letting you run in camp. I doubt I'm ever going to be lying on my death bed and wishing I'd had more of my time taken up walking through camp in video games that wouldn't let me run instead. I agree with this. I have limited time to play each day. It sucks to spend 10 minutes riding somewhere on a ####ing horse. I don’t need this much realism. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Yeah I've changed clothes but didn't think it through like that. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GROOT 1,216 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 26 minutes ago, GregR said: Don't need to, RDR2 is a prequel. If you don't mind knowing how the first ends, you could just read this so you're familiar with all the characters you might run into. Though you're not any worse off if you don't, you just won't have the nostalgia. Oh i want the nostalgia! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Could someone explain the draw thing. You press rt slowly to aim longer? I feel like I screw this up all the time. Spoiler if need be Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Poke_4_Life 2,106 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said: Still in Chapter 2. Won't say exactly where/who unless someone quotes and asks, I can put it in spoilers. But prowling around backyards in Valentine I was able to spy into someone's back window and discover an illegal operation, which I then was able to rob with my bandit mask. I may have gotten lucky but it went off without a hitch--the proprietor of the legit front room operation didn't recognize me, opened the door for me, and after a 4-on-1 shootout in tight quarters I grabbed a pile of cash, a new revolver, and got the hell out before the law saw me (bandit kerchief will work on civilians I think but not law enforcement if you've been in town before). Rode around in a big circle and came trotting back into town dressed in a different outfit to spend my hard-earned blood money on a sexy new saddle, moseyed along to witness the aftermath of my crime/do-goodery (not sure which). Is there more than one in Valentine? If so I haven't found this one. A clue would be appreciated. I only have two missions left in chapter 2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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JerseyToughGuys 3,149 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, belljr said: Could someone explain the draw thing. You press rt slowly to aim longer? I feel like I screw this up all the time. Spoiler if need be This is in a mission and it took me a few times to get the hang of it. It's just what it says: press RT slowly as you aim. It takes practice. (this was the mission where I t-boned the stage coach while chasing the kid) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyToughGuys 3,149 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 51 minutes ago, Poke_4_Life said: Is there more than one in Valentine? If so I haven't found this one. A clue would be appreciated. I only have two missions left in chapter 2. Where can you see this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JerseyToughGuys said: This is in a mission and it took me a few times to get the hang of it. It's just what it says: press RT slowly as you aim. It takes practice. (this was the mission where I t-boned the stage coach while chasing the kid) I've had it happen 3 or 4 times now and I feel like the other guy outdraws me. Like I'm still "drawing" when he draws and shoots me lol I also don't know how to "lock" targets during dead eye. I thought the tutorial showed it but I must be doing it wrong Edited October 29, 2018 by belljr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwb 2,448 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Capella said: 1 hour ago, GregR said: This review hits the nail on the head as far as, great game but some bad decisions on controls and realism by the developers. https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/10/27/red-dead-redemption-day-1-laborious-gameplay-in-a-stunning-world-2/#4a75dafa4851 I really hope they patch the utterly stupid stuff like not letting you run in camp. I doubt I'm ever going to be lying on my death bed and wishing I'd had more of my time taken up walking through camp in video games that wouldn't let me run instead. I agree with this. I have limited time to play each day. It sucks to spend 10 minutes riding somewhere on a ####ing horse. I don’t need this much realism. It's hard to explain, but I'm kind of appreciating this for this particular game. I like that I need to have my horse nearby, or that I need to remember to take equipment off my horse before setting off on foot. It's refreshing to not have fast travel at my disposal. In other games, I may not appreciate these things. But it works here so far. That said, I do understand the limited time to play thing. This isn't shaping up to be a "pick up and goof around for 30 minutes" game. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Todem 4,895 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Going to NY for a week day after Halloween. Tonight I am putting in a ton of time and also Tuesday night. Halloween is the biggest holiday in my house so these next two nights this will be all I get for the next week....ugh.....I am so addicted to this game. Seriously.....GOAT type air despite some clunky controls. The open world this game brings with very good AI, the scope of the map, the amount of life all around you and dynamic as hell.....simply the new standard for open world games. You have never played an open world game as deep as this one. But the cinematic aspect of this game? You truly feel like you are living in a Western Epic and you are simply creating the script every game session you have. Just totally blown away with this title. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
belljr 11,009 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 29 minutes ago, jwb said: It's hard to explain, but I'm kind of appreciating this for this particular game. I like that I need to have my horse nearby, or that I need to remember to take equipment off my horse before setting off on foot. It's refreshing to not have fast travel at my disposal. In other games, I may not appreciate these things. But it works here so far. That said, I do understand the limited time to play thing. This isn't shaping up to be a "pick up and goof around for 30 minutes" game. I had a mission - ride off. Do what I need to. Get done the mission. My horse is no where. Hes back at the stupid mission start point. So I have to break a wild horse, ride him back to ear shot then get my other horse. So I'm not sure if I can remember to have my horse follow me on all mission here out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IvanKaramazov 21,961 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 hours ago, GregR said: This review hits the nail on the head as far as, great game but some bad decisions on controls and realism by the developers. https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/10/27/red-dead-redemption-day-1-laborious-gameplay-in-a-stunning-world-2/#4a75dafa4851 I really hope they patch the utterly stupid stuff like not letting you run in camp. I doubt I'm ever going to be lying on my death bed and wishing I'd had more of my time taken up walking through camp in video games that wouldn't let me run instead. This is an excellent, spot-on review. RDR2 is going to win a bunch of GOTY awards -- and deservedly so -- but there are lots of places where it really should have prioritized gameplay over realism instead of the other way around. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyToughGuys 3,149 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, belljr said: I've had it happen 3 or 4 times now and I feel like the other guy outdraws me. Like I'm still "drawing" when he draws and shoots me lol I also don't know how to "lock" targets during dead eye. I thought the tutorial showed it but I must be doing it wrong Same here. I figured it was an upgrade to deadeye. It doesn't work the old way, that's for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregR 5,835 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Deadeye seems to auto-place the shots for me, including when I don't want it too. Help file says the right bumper is supposed to decide where to shoot and then trigger to shoot. By the way, a setting that might be worth changing is the auto-lock on width, how far from your aim spot will it search for an auto-lock on. I changed it for mount/vehicles which helps aim in on birds and small animals easier from horseback. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Todem 4,895 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, GregR said: Deadeye seems to auto-place the shots for me, including when I don't want it too. Help file says the right bumper is supposed to decide where to shoot and then trigger to shoot. By the way, a setting that might be worth changing is the auto-lock on width, how far from your aim spot will it search for an auto-lock on. I changed it for mount/vehicles which helps aim in on birds and small animals easier from horseback. Sage advice. I am going to start honing in on customizing my controller settings/sensitivity as I play through the game as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyToughGuys 3,149 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Has anyone been mauled by a predator? So far, I've been killed by the Legendary Bear and a Mountain Lion (I think). Really awesome when it happens I have video clip of the latter. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foosball God 2,932 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 My son got eaten by a Mountain Lion/Bobcat. Killed and skinned one too. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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