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Thanks for the absolute knowledge on thisObama will not endorse anyone. He won’t promote any candidate until one has been chosen.
Thanks for the absolute knowledge on thisObama will not endorse anyone. He won’t promote any candidate until one has been chosen.
Tim's probably right - it happens so seldomly, i feel duty-bound to point it out - endorsing would be actually doing something, a clear violation of Obama's "look good doing nothing" modus operandi.Thanks for the absolute knowledge on this
Just a guess on my part . We do know that Cadillac doesn’t like Warren and he didn’t want to run without support from Obama. Should be more interesting than BloombergTim's probably right - it happens so seldomly, i feel duty-bound to point it out - endorsing would be actually doing something, a clear violation of Obama's "look good doing nothing" modus operandi.
Hardly anybody outside the state of MA even knows who this person is. I follow politics somewhat closely, and I had forgotten that he existed.Patrick’s formula is fairly simple, it seems to me: use name recognition to do well in New Hampshire, then use that to steal the southern black vote from Biden, starting with South Carolina.
Its a long shot.
He seems like a decent guy, but that was a boring video and I didn't finish it.
What is it with MA politicians? We even export guys to other states to become pols , de Blasio, Bloomberg & SchiffHardly anybody outside the state of MA even knows who this person is. I follow politics somewhat closely, and I had forgotten that he existed.
When we start counting actual votes Mayor Pete will be gone quickly. He has all the money and press support and no grass roots. ABP. ANY BUT PROGRESSIVES. Too bad the country is mostly progressive.Honestly - the same way he overcame zero name-recognition 9 months ago.
I trust that he, and his team, will be working very hard to get his message out. Its not an overnight process though - it will take time and work. And, I think the first part of the equation was similar to Obama - Pete had to first show he could win the white vote, before anyone else was going to waste time and figure out if he is the right candidate for them.
What's his message?Honestly - the same way he overcame zero name-recognition 9 months ago.
I trust that he, and his team, will be working very hard to get his message out. Its not an overnight process though - it will take time and work. And, I think the first part of the equation was similar to Obama - Pete had to first show he could win the white vote, before anyone else was going to waste time and figure out if he is the right candidate for them.
He has plenty of grass roots support - at both the most recent gatherings of candidates in Iowa - Polk County Steak Fry, and Liberty and Justice Dinner - Buttigieg had the highest level of support in attendance.When we start counting actual votes Mayor Pete will be gone quickly. He has all the money and press support and no grass roots. ABP. ANY BUT PROGRESSIVES. Too bad the country is mostly progressive.
He has a plan to make some plans. SWEET.
Agreed, once Biden and Warren start going after him, he is done. Plus black votes will not come easy for PeteWhen we start counting actual votes Mayor Pete will be gone quickly. He has all the money and press support and no grass roots. ABP. ANY BUT PROGRESSIVES. Too bad the country is mostly progressive.
Going after him with what?Agreed, once Biden and Warren start going after him, he is done. Plus black votes will not come easy for Pete
I don’t understand your assertion - also, you may need to define your definition of electable. After 2016 I think we all need to reconsider what we consider electable.It's just amazing that money doesn't matter now with being electable. And individual donors don't matter either. What happened?
Bernie has the most money, when he didn't it was an issue. Now it doesn't matter.I don’t understand your assertion - also, you may need to define your definition of electable. After 2016 I think we all need to reconsider what we consider electable.
Ah - I get it now. I honestly don’t remember him not having money being a big issue - and I was and am a big Bernie fan.Bernie has the most money, when he didn't it was an issue. Now it doesn't matter.
It was against Hillary. I haven't even donated yet or really paid attention. But I don't have too. I am about policies. No one will ever convince me that giving healthcare to everyone or taxing the rich more is bad. Especially when I know the numbers.Ah - I get it now. I honestly don’t remember him not having money being a big issue - and I was and am a big Bernie fan.
Go look at the old thread, he is too far left too. Main stream media got smart though, they quit bashing him and now ignore him. Neither will work. His policies will matter and get attention.Ah - I get it now. I honestly don’t remember him not having money being a big issue - and I was and am a big Bernie fan.
Definitely remember the calls of him being too far left - which became funny when Hillary began co-opting his positions. Either way - I feel he should be proud of how he’s altered the landscape and pushed issues to the forefront. I also feel like he probably missed his best chance.Go look at the old thread, he is too far left too. Main stream media got smart though, they quit bashing him and now ignore him. Neither will work. His policies will matter and get attention.
I get it.Definitely remember the calls of him being too far left - which became funny when Hillary began co-opting his positions. Either way - I feel he should be proud of how he’s altered the landscape and pushed issues to the forefront. I also feel like he probably missed his best chance.
Probably just thinks he's a dreamboat or something.Did I mention my niece was Betos press secretary. Still couldn't go there.
Des Moines Register/CNN pollSelzer is releasing a new Iowa poll tonight - so it should provide good fodder for the Sunday talkshows no matter how it turns out.
Its Iowa. He's New York, and late to the game.Wow, surprised at Bloomberg’s unfavorability.
Wow - that's a great poll for Pete. Hopefully the other early states begin to take notice.Des Moines Register/CNN poll
Buttigieg 25%
Warren 16%
Biden 15%
Sanders 15%
Klobuchar 6%
Booker 3%
Gabbard 3%
Harris 3%
Steyer 3%
Yang 3%
Bloomberg 2%
Yes - he now has 4 polls - but needs to meet the donor threshold - 200,000 unique donors.Did you say one more poll for Steyer for Dec.? This should do it.Helps Yang, also.Everyone higher is already in.
I was listening to Al Sharpton about this today- I am not a fan of Sharpton but he has a good handle on the black vote IMO.Quinnipiac University Poll - South Carolina:
Biden: 33%
Warren: 13%
Sanders: 11%
Buttigieg: 6%
Steyer: 5%
Yang: 4%
Harris: 3%
Booker: 2%
This continues to be Biden's firewall. I think the only way Buttigieg can make up ground here is to roll up his sleeves and spend quality time in South Carolina. He needs to get to know the people on a personal level - and vice versa.
Yeah, I think they’re sort of stripping blacks of their own agency when they chalk it up to homophobia. The systemic racism and division in South Bend which hasn’t improved after 7 years of Mayor Pete is probably the most clearcut reason why he gets 0% black support in South Carolina.I was listening to Al Sharpton about this today- I am not a fan of Sharpton but he has a good handle on the black vote IMO.
He thinks that the anti-gay thing may be a little overstated. He admitted that with older blacks, it's certainly part of it, but a bigger part is that Buttigieg is blamed for supporting white police against blacks in South Bend, and that this feeling has carried over down south. Fair or unfair, Sharpton claims that this is the impression.
Can you expound? That's exactly what those numbers say to me.while Buttigieg’s are 22/16/60. So I don’t think it’s a deal where they just haven’t heard enough about him yet.
Mayor Pete's 22/38 favorability, if you extrapolate it out, is basically 57% favorability among AAs. That 38% cross-section has an opinion. By comparison, Biden and Sanders are at 89.6% and 84.7% favorability. It could of course change dramatically given more presence and name recognition in SC, but that's where it's at right now. It stands to reason that black people see stuff like this and find it repellent. It's clear the wishywashy 'uniter' stuff didn't work in South Bend and I think they see that.Can you expound? That's exactly what those numbers say to me.
The news covers him like he's in a distant 4th. But I think he's the only one that would beat Trump. He's the one Trump's afraid of. But for some reason the Dem establishment acts like he doesn't exist. Would rather lose with one of their corporate candidates than win with a progressive.4,000,000 individual donors for the guy that has no shot. Keep it hush.
Sorry4,000,000 individual donors for the guy that has no shot. Keep it hush.
I just added the 16% 'unfavorables' to get a percentage% of support. So 22% people out of 38% (22% favorable vs. 16% unfavorable) for 57(really 58)% favorability. I was basically thinking of them as an individual person rather than a %, which could be flawed in itself, but I just think of it as 22% favorable, 16% unfavorable, with an additional 60% undecided (and therefore moot). So out of the total 38% who expressed an opinion, 22% had a favorable one for 58% favorability.Thx for explaining.. Where are you getting the 22/38 vs 22/16 you quoted?
I don't know that you can accurately project off those numbers. 1st because they're so low (higher, of course if you use 38 vs 16). 2nd because numbers that low suggest, to me anyway, those people are the most engaged in the process and not necessarily reflective of the broader voting population. Clearly not an easy path for him, regardless, but 60% not familiar seems like an opportunity.