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WR DK Metcalf, SEA (3 Viewers)
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Bracie Smathers
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GIF LINK >>>>> GIF LINK  DK Metcalf violent with his hands
Austin Gayle @PFF_AustinGayle
oh my god #OleMiss' DK Metcalf is so violent with his hands both at the LOS and at the top/break point of his routes... DK insults this Bama corner's mother at the LOS, here. Oh, and he takes this to the house. He's faster than people think.
7:43 AM - 24 Feb 2019
Austin Gayle @PFF_AustinGayle
oh my god #OleMiss' DK Metcalf is so violent with his hands both at the LOS and at the top/break point of his routes... DK insults this Bama corner's mother at the LOS, here. Oh, and he takes this to the house. He's faster than people think.
7:43 AM - 24 Feb 2019
Interseptopus
Footballguy
how many of these highlights are against CBs who are NFL starting caliber?
-OZ-
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The link above appears to be against Shyheim Carter. I don't know how high he ranks (he'll return next year) but I'd bet he gets drafted and probably starts at some point.
JohnnyU
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Sure it does, key words are "for me" vs a general statement "This class is wide open". One can have a #1 opinion even though they think someone else could be taken #1.
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Interseptopus
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I think his points do mesh. he says the class is wide open and Metcalf or Jacobs shouldnt be the defacto #1. Then he goes on to give his own personal ranking, which is someone other than Metcalf or Jacobs
ETA: I love Harry, but I worry that he is slow, and the point was made in his thread that his best catches are contested catches
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Ilov80s
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Ilov80s
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Maybe I am exaggerating a bit by wide margin as well. He certainly could fall if he runs really slow or ends up in a bad spot. He's not transcendent like a Saquon or Calvin Johnson.
Interseptopus
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why is this? I'm back and forth. College production is the biggest one for me, but Harry's speed worries me. Hope he runs well this week.
In one league I have the top 3 picks so I can grab both, but in another I have 1.1 and some lower 1sts
He's a popular 1.01 pick over at /r/dynastyFF so it's certainly not unreasonable. I just agree that it's wide open and therefore I don't have anyone at the top by a wide margin. I also don't have any 1.01 picks, so I'm not too worried about it.
Gandalf
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Because Metcalf only really ran one route and that terrifies me at 1.01
Harry made plays and was awesome in the open field. He might not be super fast but can get open. He reminds of Nuk in that way.
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Gandalf
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I like him over Metcalf now too. Let’s hope Metcalf goes to buffalo and Harry to Indy. Oh sorry forget this is the Metcalf thread.
Bracie Smathers
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The GIFs I shared demonstrate solid technique that will transfer to the NFL. Bama DBs are some of the best coached in college.
Here is another GIF up against a different DB from Arkansas. This GIF is one post down from the same thread as above which shows a head/shoulder fake along with adjusting to an under thrown pass.
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Austin Gayle @PFF_AustinGayle 22h22 hours ago
DK (@dkmetcalf14) could sell homes with this head and shoulder fake, let alone this poor ARK cornerback. The pass is terribly underthrown, but he makes a nice adjustment. DK's 2017 tape is special, man. It's well worth the watch in addition to his 2018 tape.
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Both GIFs are from Austin Gayle of PFF so he looks at a lot of tape and knows what to look for.
Gandalf
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
As noted, this is a 'technique' that is learned.
HOF WR Calvin Johnson recently was coaching up prospect WR Hakeem Butler where he was trying to teach him how to use his hands to gain separation.
Watch: Calvin Johnson coaching up WR prospect Hakeem Butler
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Interseptopus
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Yes this is what I see too. if you look at Bracies link above, they are all Go/Fly routes.
Once again, I'm trusting the pedigree. He's a Metcalf. He should be able to learn the routes quickly.
Interseptopus
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
It might make sense for an OC to have a possession WR like AJ Brown do the dirty work and ask Metcalf to do go routes all the time, taking advantage of both their best qualities.
Gandalf
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cloppbeast
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Can't lie, yes.
But it's more like a missing data point rather than a flaw. Much preferable to Harry's inability to get open, which is verifiable.
Gandalf
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Johnny U and BIg Tex made the “Patterson-Treadwell love child” comment on the prev page but I feel like have read that before too.
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JohnnyU
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What about the Patterson Treadwell combination? Patterson has plenty of speed. Metcalf could be very good and he isn't on my do not draft list, but I'm just glad I dont have to decide with the first couple of picks.
Gandalf
Footballguy
I guess that could be an awesome player or a complete disaster. Haha.
Who do you prefer again at WR and why? I am on 1.01 so this is important for me to get right. I’m not sure who I’m taking and I think landing spot will factor in huge.
Ilov80s
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Maybe but I would be very worried if he ran a 4.7. Boldin is such an outlier. He was really slow and his college career was not all that impressive.
If he tests how people expect him to test, the best comp will be somewhere between Calvin and Evan Engram.
Treadwell+Patterson sounds like a total disaster. Neither seem to have any sense of how to play WR.
Gandalf
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'll post the same thing as I did in the 2019 draft picks thread.
I like Brown's size and he knows how to get open. Brown excels as a runner after the catch. He shows quickness, power, elusiveness and run instincts. He has long arms and big hands and a very large receiving radius. I would be tempted to go N'Keal Harry at 1.1, but I like Brown slightly more right now, but wouldn't argue with anyone that wants to take Harry instead. However, I do believe Harry has more red flags than Brown.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
It's a weird comparison outside of their college uniform. Metcalf is a plus athlete with minimal college production. Treadwell was a minus athlete with great college production. They are really polar opposites as prospects.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yes but would you be happy with a fantasy wr2/3 with your 1.1 or 1.2 pick? isnt this essentially what Brandin Cooks does? I'd want more than a Brandin Cooks with a pick this high
Interseptopus
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skinfanjon
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Interseptopus
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I see Calvin Johnson potential in Metcalf on paper. On film I'm not so sure. Comparing him to Harry, because that is what this debate seems to be (Harry vs Metcalf as WR1), Harry I dont see that potential. He isnt as athletic as Metcalf, he cant create himself open like Metcalf can, but he has much better college production than Metcalf.
If we are going to throw out lazy Treadwell comparisons, Harry seems to fit better than Matcalf. I think it's a dumb comparison all together.
I do think Metcalfs ceiling is higher than Harry but I think the risk is higher too.
I'm like you, I need to get this right
Totally awful comparisons. In their best day neither could ever even dream of making this catch.
https://youtu.be/PCoi5mhwCzY?t=53
The correct comparison is Andre Johnson.
skinfanjon
Footballguy
What about their size makes them a comp? Treadwell is slow as hell and much smaller. Only similarity is the jersey. At least Patterson has some speed.
Just lazy, awful comps.
I watched that clip a few weeks ago and thought it was nuts that a guy with just 67 catches has that many impressive highlight catches plus I've seen a few other highlight worthy grabs he has made that did not make that clip.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Patterson is a good athlete thus the love child statement. Not just Treadwell. However, I did say some time ago when his buff picture came out that he could end up as good as Calvin Johnson.
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Cooks is/has been a borderline WR1. He has finishes of WR10, WR15 and WR13 in the past three seasons in PPR. I'd be ####### thrilled if I got that kind of consistency and production with the 1.01 in what is considered to be a complete trashfire* of a draft class
*By trashfire, I mean that there is zero clarity at this time. There's no sure-fire #1 overall, and the combine/draft will likely just muddy things further.
ZWK
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Disagree on the production; Metcalf's half-season in 2018 was much better production than anything that Treadwell did. 13.9 YPT vs. 8.4 YPT for Treadwell. Metcalf was a deep threat which Treadwell (and Patterson) never was, and Metcalf 2018 also managed to have a higher catch rate than Treadwell 2015.FreeBaGeL said:
The main concern with Metcalf's production is small sample size, with him not breaking out until 2018 and then missing half the games. Maybe you could compare him to DeVante Parker.
Gandalf
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cloppbeast
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You can't get a diamond from a copper mine. I'd be happy to get Brandin Cooks if that's the best to be had. I mean, wasn't Seastrunk a 1.01 a few years ago?Dr. Dan said:
And Cooks is definitely not Metcalf's limit. At this point, it's pretty hard to tell how well he can do underneath work. And he's a red zone threat where Cooks is not.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Deep routes: Metcalf > HarryDr. Dan said:
Contested catches: Metcalf = Harry
Short/Intermediate routes: Metcalf would have a hard time trying to not get open as much as Harry does't. "it ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble..."
I'm not really seeing the less risk for Harry.
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If I recall correctly, Boldin had knee surgery like a month or so before the combine that year. He likely runs much better if he was healthy. He ran 4.55 at his pro day I think.Ilov80s said:
I'm not seeing Treadwell comparisons at all. Andre Johnson is likely too optimistic, but closer to the type of player Metcalf could be. Maybe Alshon Jeffery/Josh Gordon level?
I think Metcalf is clearly better than Harry. I really don't see Harry at all, I think he's my #7 WR or so. I'm not sure I'd take him in the 1st round of a rookie draft unless he went to a perfect situation.
That said, I feel like this a great year to trade top rookie picks for veteran players.
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