Yeah was thinking of offering my M. Brown (WR) and some RB depth for him. Owner may be on the verge of dropping anyway. Like offering a 7th round draft pick before a real NFL team dumps a player to waivers and getting nothing back.
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Is this guy really a league-winner? He's played great the last couple of weeks. I've got a couple other good options this week so I've got to make a decision on whether to keep riding with him this week. Thoughts on his prospects vs. MIN?
Asslete
Footballguy
I am riding him...only other option is to trust Miles Sanders can repeat what he did last week.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Certainly can be a league winner
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I don't know. It depends on if people start him or not.
He has had 3 straight good games since returning from injury.
The Vikings are an average run defense and below average without Eric Kendricks in the line up. They have struggled with Mitch running the ball at times too which helps Montgomery as well compared to Nick Foles or other statue QBs.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Thanks. The bit about Kendricks is good info. Hard to believe Montgomery is the same guy who was plodding along 2 months ago. The last 3 opponents were all really bad against RBs. Trying to decide how to weigh the info vs the eye test.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have only seen highlights but Montgomery has looked good in those. Showing some speed!
I don't know what your other options are but I think the match up is fine for Montgomery.
How he is being used in the passing game now makes him a pretty good option.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
He's had a decent floor most of the season with Cohen out. I think the Trubisky run threat certainly helps on the zone read also..
A month ago RB2 wasn't looking so hot for me between his concussion, Carson's foot, and Dobbins' RBBC mess. Now they all seem to be on the rise. Will Fuller's suspension also opened a flex spot for me, but I've still got to sit one.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Over the last 3 weeks Montgomery has been second to only Derrick Henry in fantasy points scored in standard or PPR formats.
Great run for him for sure. Monty and J Rob are 2 guys who have definitely taken advantage over circumstance. Both thrust into 3 down roles out necessity rather than design. I’ll likely be avoiding both at next years price.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Blick
Footballguy
The needle is definitely pointing up. I’m trying to figure out if he’s a sell high or a hold in dynasty. His career certainly didn’t start well. However, I’m in the camp that it was as much do to with poor online play as lack of ability. Over the last half of this season, he’s looked the part. On the negative, Cohen will cut into his work load next year.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
This post of mine today is *not* about beating my chest or saying look at me I was right. And I'm not trying to say anyone was wrong. It was a perfectly reasonable counter-take. Monty really hadn't proven much of anything at that point. And I wasn't right anyway. Yes Montgomery was RB4 from weeks 4 thru 16 in PPR but my premise was that Foles was going to be the one to raise the Bears offense up. That didn't happen. Trubisky eventually came back in and has played much better. I think Montgomery has looked better than he ever has. Has he improved from the time these earlier debates occurred? I don't know. At this point I still don't know what to make of him, or the Bears. I like him, though, and I think I might be putting him in my buy at cost list. I wonder if most Montgomery owners are thinking that selling high (in their minds) is the perfect move right now since he finished the season strong.
If we're just looking at rushing stats, he was RB4 just behind Robinson and just ahead of Kamara but well behind Cook and Henry. He had 7 rushing TDs in that time which also isn't bad. There shouldn't have ever been any doubt about his passing game involvement, though. He had 50 targets in that span and 39 catches. He has been involved as a receiver forever and losing Cohen helped that even more. I do wonder if that dynamic will continue next year or not.
I'm trying to do something like Pittman for Monty or Gabriel Davis and Pittman for Monty and a draft pick. Any other buyers out there? Sellers?
Blick
Footballguy
There is no way I’d trade Monty straight up for Pittman. I think Monty will stay in the RB2 discussion even with Cohen back.
jm192
Footballguy
I'm a Montgomery owner. I wouldn't consider Pittman/Gabriel Davis, certainly not Montgomery AND a pick.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah ok so I guess I like Pittman more than consensus. It also serves as a reminder of how hard it is to move WRs right now. This one in particular is SF, so let me ask if Taysom Hill is something that would change this. So, Taysom vs Monty who you got?
Blick
Footballguy
That’s a negative unless you think Hill will be the starter in NO once Brees retires. I do not.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I didn't either until they rolled him out there instead of Winston. A homer made a convincing argument awhile back regarding their salaries (Winston and Hill). It kind of seems they want Hill to be the guy. Not sure I can find a buyer who thinks so.
*Looks up Brees owner status*
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Truebluey
Footballguy
I'm glad you resurrected it. Good call. In redraft I was so wrong on Monty all year it's not funny. In Week 3 I traded away Kareem Hunt to get Golladay, and I got Monty as a throw in. I never started him, so on his bye week I traded him and Fuller for Michael Thomas. Then of course he had 4 straight weeks of between 20-30 ppr points. Ooof.
I never watch Bears games, so my question is - did he look better over that span? Did something change in his running? Or did the Bears O-line just finally get it together?
Looks like he'll be a round 3 RB next year in redraft and I don't know whether he'll be a buy high or low at that spot.
fightingillini
Footballguy
If you are a subscriber, I would highly recommend watching Waldman's video in his Gut Check. He does a great breakdown of Montgomery's improvement in his vision, footwork, and decision making. The Bears OL improved but they are still a below average unit. I also think Trubisky helped out a lot since Trubisky can keep it once in a while on the read option. But let's not kid ourselves, Montgomery's success was a lot to do with the cake schedule from Week 12 on.
That said, Montgomery still isn't an elite talent. But I think he's a solid RB2 next year with top 10 upside, and Round 3 is probably the right draft spot for him.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Oh I would do that trade so hard. High ankle sprains are no joke. MT will bounce back.
Yep. I think he has absolutely looked better and I kind of liked his game before. And there is no question that Trubisky has looked better, too. And the cake schedule and all of it. And I agree he isn't elite. He is getting elite volume, though, and has the physical tools to maintain that. I think there is room for this offense to grow next year. As a Bears homer I would want them to focus on other areas in the draft anyway. I'm actually a huge Cohen non-fan so I would like to see them get some better depth but they're not losing any games because of Monty. I'm not in love with the rookie RB crop so a target like Monty might be more in my range with my WR depth and lack of high draft picks on squads where I want to make a play for a RB. I only have a couple of them.
Looking forward to the GB game.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
David Montgomery just tweeted "playing in chicago has been fun and I met some great people along the way!!"
Boone22
Footballguy
He followed it up with this....
David Montgomery
@MontgomerDavid
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1m
Y’all took that completely wrong! It was not intended in the purpose of football! HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BALL! I love Chicago and I’m ready to be here for a long time and win a lot of games
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He knew what he was doing and well done 
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
JetMaxx
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JamboTaylor
Footballguy
So was his late season surge a sign of things to come?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
With the return of Cohen and the QB mess I dont think I can trust him as more than a #3RB next yr. He'll probably get drafted as a #2RB which is too high for me
Biabreakable
Footballguy
We don't know yet.
Tarik Cohen returning to health is likely going to take premium opportunities away from Montgomery and without the bulk of those I think DM numbers dip in a significant way.
I don't trust Nagy to not mess things up.
We know that Montgomery is capable of being a 3 down RB now which was something we were not sure about going into last season.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lazor called a very different style offense down the stretch, with the QB under center a lot. Nagy is taking the reins back. Everyone talks about the cake schedule but the OC was a bigger factor IMO.
Besides Tarik being back for third down duty, they have a very capable third RB (Damien Williams) and invested a 6th rounder in Herbert. Montgomery needs volume to be a top 20 back. I don't see a lot of paths to that, presuming Tarik is the same guy he was 2017-19 (53, 71, 79 receptions.)
I expect them to move on to Fields early - they have a late bye this year, so looking at possibly entry points the Detroit (H) - LV (A) games seem like good first starts. Think about how the season might play out for Nagy/Pace, who are fighting for their jobs: they'll get blown by the Rams WK 1, have a potential shootout game versus the Bengals, and travel to the Browns. At 0-3 or 1-2 the pressure will be on.
Fields will be taking off instead of checking down, and he'll vulture some TDs. Robinson has never played with a QB and Mooney will see more accurate deep balls than he will from Dalton. I could see the offense beginning to click under the rookie, but I don't think it will be because of Montgomery.
ratbast
Footballguy
Monty is still the rb we saw last year, probably better.
i see all the negative talk and “bust” potential but the team should be better than last year. Cohen is what he is, he’s a 3rd down back for passing downs. Is he still fast? Williams knows Nagys offense, but he’s not as good.
When all is said and done, If Montgomery is playing like he did last year, he’s going to get bell cow carries. What worries me most is the young Fields vulturing goal line tds.
i see all the negative talk and “bust” potential but the team should be better than last year. Cohen is what he is, he’s a 3rd down back for passing downs. Is he still fast? Williams knows Nagys offense, but he’s not as good.
When all is said and done, If Montgomery is playing like he did last year, he’s going to get bell cow carries. What worries me most is the young Fields vulturing goal line tds.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
From the narratives I've heard this offseason it's not that he won't get the carries that concern most, it's the soft schedule he had in the second half of the year.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yet they don’t make that same argument for Taylor.Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
I've just come across this in the past few weeks (I didn't own Taylor anywhere so I guess I just didn't notice it) and I agree with this.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Can, but we've all seen how a soft schedule can enhance player performance. I'm not saying he won't do it again but I do have my doubts. I'd grab him at the right price if needed.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
You make some interesting points I didnt fully consider yet.BobbyLayne said:
IIRC Lazor only called plays for a few games near the end of the season but Nagy took play calling back in the final game. In any case Montgomery had good games with Nagy play calling last season so I dont think that had a big impact on Montgomerys touches but maybe that deserves a closer look.
I missed that the Bears signed Damien William's. I think Montgomery is a better RB than William's especially the trait of elusiveness and change of direction ability but William's is a very good RB and perhaps has better speed than Montgomery and William's is a great blocker. He might play some.
But the biggest point you bring up in my view is fields and how him playing may change dump off opportunities to RB no matter who is out there.
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I've read/heard this a lot but not sure it's 100% accurate. He did beat up on some bad defenses (as he should have) but he also ran well against the Saints and Packers. He was terrible against the Bucs and Colts (as almost everyone was) and mediocre against the Rams but he salvaged those games with solid receiving numbers. And that's the part that concerns me: I don't think we can count on anything close to the same receiving volume with Cohen back and Williams (also a good receiving back) in the picture. Montgomery actually ran the second most routes of any RB in the NFL (second only to McKissic) and it's very difficult to see that repeating. Granted, Montgomery has some juicy matchups again this season, but he seems like more of a floor play than a ceiling play.Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
