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Mile High
Footballguy
I would be surprised if the Senate bill passes since it needs 7 Democrats to vote for it.
timschochet
Footballguy
Economists around the world are extremely worried about this shutdown. Combined with Trump’s trade war they think that it’s going to lead to an economic slowdown...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Henry Ford
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The General
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Lutherman2112
Footballguy
McConnell, by not putting a bill to a floor vote, is providing cover for Trump. If the Senate votes and passes a bill, Trump would then use his veto.
The shutdown would be then be all his.
The Commish
Footballguy
It already is in the eyes of America sans his loyalist supporters
McConnell, by not putting a bill to a floor vote, is providing cover for Trump. If the Senate votes and passes a bill, Trump would then use his veto.
The shutdown would be then be all his.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
I agree. But a veto would be the albatross around Trump's neck.It already is in the eyes of America sans his loyalist supporters
But its the job of Congress to do the right thing for the American Public. If Trump does veto it, the Congress still has the power to override the veto. Which then gives everyone cover..IMO
Trump gets to still say he did not Cave, and both Dems and Reps can say they did what's right for the American Public. And lets be real.. there will be something else within a day or so that would move the needle.
sho nuff
Footballguy
But that is why it won't happen...McConnel doesn't care about doing the right thing. He cares about catering still to Trump and his base. If he allows a vote and a veto override, he hurts Trump and the consequences he doesn't want.
The Commish
Footballguy
They don't have the balls to do the right thing in lieu of keeping their jobs. But if that ever happened, I'm not sure it'd matter. He'd simply say "loyalists, I tried and got rejected" and they'd lap it up.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I don't think that's right. I think the job of Congress is protect the POTUS at all costs, only if he/she is a member of their party of course, and nuts to the American people.
Mile High
Footballguy
Trump plan to reopen govt., build border wall undercut by Supreme Court
with the Supreme Court refusing, at least during this term, to consider an administration appeal of lower court rulings allowing continued temporary protections for the immigrant youths, Trump may have lost his main negotiating point. Instead, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program established by then-President Barack Obama in 2012 lives on with or without approval by Congress.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1PG235
with the Supreme Court refusing, at least during this term, to consider an administration appeal of lower court rulings allowing continued temporary protections for the immigrant youths, Trump may have lost his main negotiating point. Instead, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program established by then-President Barack Obama in 2012 lives on with or without approval by Congress.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1PG235
timschochet
Footballguy
The Supreme Court just closed its docket, and DACA wasn’t on it. Which means the case won’t be heard at the very earliest until a year from now, no decision probably for 18 months.
Which makes Trump’s 3 year offer absolutely meaningless.
Which makes Trump’s 3 year offer absolutely meaningless.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
That's been the stance of Republican leadership for decades now. Their drive to enhance their own power and their money has completely eclipsed their ability to do the right thing.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
And then even if he wins, a six month wind-down like he wanted. 24 months.
So he's offering a handshake promise from a known liar on another year of DACA (which he may well not be around to enforce anyway) if the wall gets built? Big offer.
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Mile High
Footballguy
Plus I had posted an article early that said most of then could be covered by work visas until mid to late 2021.
Henry Ford
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Eh I'm guessing major banks losing interests and judgment collection might just get someone's attention.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
One whole month - remarkable.
Evidently, neither do the Democrats.
The public isn't happy with anyone at the moment. A majority of Americans disapprove of the way Trump (61%), Republicans in Congress (60%) and Democrats in Congress (53%) are handling negotiations over the shutdown, according to Pew Research.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/politics/congress-shutdown-latest-house-senate/index.html
Banger
Footballguy
another huge announcement? Can't wait. It's like the boy who cried wolf...how long will it be until people just start ignoring his big announcements?
If he wanted to make a deal he could...he loves the shutdown and not paying people. The problem is he's got white supremacy nuts like Miller in his ear so any deal coming from him isn't going to work because he's a zealot and as radical as anyone on immigration. If he's really going to make a deal he has to move toward the middle which he hasn't come close to yet and has shown no desire to.
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jamny
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Banger
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Big League Chew
Footballguy
Does this shutdown hurt or help interest rates? Considering refinancing
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Heard from an air traffic controller in my social circle today.
He is not doing well and has indicated that addition stress of not being paid is having a touch of an effect on him and everyone he knows at work.
Not a big fan of hearing that.
He is not doing well and has indicated that addition stress of not being paid is having a touch of an effect on him and everyone he knows at work.
Not a big fan of hearing that.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Come on, the guy plasters the Rasmussen poll at the top of his Twitter feed every time his approval rating hits 49%, and he just crowed about a recent poll showing an increase in Hispanic approval -- despite the fact that the very same poll showed a decrease in approval among whites and several other categories that make up Trump's core support.
Trump is a guy who says "I don't care about polls" and then obsessively talks about polls.
Banger
Footballguy
tell him to suck it up...we're making America great here and there will have to be sacrifices for addressing problems that don't exist...
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I don't want to quote his actual social media post here, but one of our friends went over to check on him as a result of the post. And at least what he said indicated that he was not alone in feeling that way.
Not really okay with that being a spreading mindset among ATC.
Banger
Footballguy
I agree totally and was making a bad joke at just how ridiculous the situation is....I just hope that it gets resolved soon and it doesn't actually get anyone killed.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Food/water/medication inspection, ATC, that sort of thing scare the heck out of me in these shutdowns.
Juxtatarot
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Dedfin
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Some fun and edifying pods about shutdowns in history:
http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/whistlestop.html
Dickerson talks about Gingrich vs Clinton. I didnt really know much about this since I was a tyke at the time. (We sure did elect some jerks back then tho)
https://www.npr.org/player/embed/686031720/686078684
The very first shutdown. I trust these guys (planet money is awesome) but I'm curious if @Yankee23Fan has anymore info about this since he knows stuff.
http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/whistlestop.html
Dickerson talks about Gingrich vs Clinton. I didnt really know much about this since I was a tyke at the time. (We sure did elect some jerks back then tho)
https://www.npr.org/player/embed/686031720/686078684
The very first shutdown. I trust these guys (planet money is awesome) but I'm curious if @Yankee23Fan has anymore info about this since he knows stuff.
whoknew
Footballguy
From twitter (I didn't see this discussed yet) -
NEW: McConnell and Schumer have agreed to put both the Trump shutdown bill and a Dem proposal, already passed by the House, up for votes on Thursday. Both would reopen government immediately. House bill would extend funding for all shuttered agencies including Homeland Security
NEW: McConnell and Schumer have agreed to put both the Trump shutdown bill and a Dem proposal, already passed by the House, up for votes on Thursday. Both would reopen government immediately. House bill would extend funding for all shuttered agencies including Homeland Security
Banger
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
Its unclear to me if this will actually change anything. I assume the Senate will approve the Trump bill and vote down the House bill.
Then what? Reconciliation? A congressional conference? I'm not sure. @TobiasFunke or @Yankee23Fan can probably answer that.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'm baffled by this. Is the idea to have them both come up short of 60 votes to take some heat off Senate leadership? I have to assume the House bill is more popular than the Trump one (full of poison pills) and also that Mitch wouldn't let the House one come to a floor vote unless he knew that would fail.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
From Sheryl Gay Stolberg's twitter.
There will be TWO votes on the Senate floor Thursday.
1. Trump bill with $5,7 billion for border wall.
2. Clean CR, already passed by House, to reopen shuttered agencies through Feb. 8.
Both are procedural votes. First hint of a pathway out.
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
I only skimmed, but I see nothing about the House bill in there. And there's a restriction on immigrants' ability to claim asylum.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yeah the tweet is the only thing referencing the vote on the House bill. The article is about the Trump/Senate bill (and explains why it will never pass).
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I'll believe what the GOP says about a vote on the bill when they go on the record with it. Until then, given what happened before the shutdown, it's a rumor.
belljr
Footballguy
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